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| ignas | jinty: hi | 15:06 |
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| jinty | ignas: hi, just responded to your mail | 15:06 |
| ignas | jinty: yes, that's what i want | 15:08 |
| ignas | thanks | 15:08 |
| jinty | ok, cool, then I'll go find some lunch and look at it afterwards | 15:09 |
| * jinty wants his egg release UI finished so that ignas can do this stuff more easily... | 15:10 | |
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| ignas | hi | 16:32 |
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| ignas | hi | 16:32 |
| th1a__ | Not sure what just happened. | 16:32 |
| th1a__ | Hm. | 16:33 |
| th1a__ | Anyhow. | 16:33 |
| th1a__ | Now that all three of me are here. | 16:33 |
| th1a__ | Hi jelkner, aelkner, ignas, Lumiere. | 16:34 |
| aelkner | hi | 16:34 |
| jelkner | good morning | 16:34 |
| th1a__ | How's the gradebook working, jelkner? | 16:34 |
| jelkner | it kicks butt! | 16:34 |
| jelkner | my needs are simple, and it meets all of them | 16:35 |
| aelkner | well except for the final grade view which i'm stil working on | 16:35 |
| jelkner | although i won't know until 3rd week in january if it can generate final grades | 16:35 |
| aelkner | why then? | 16:36 |
| th1a__ | That's the catch. | 16:36 |
| jelkner | aelkner: that's when 2nd quarter ends | 16:36 |
| aelkner | oh | 16:36 |
| aelkner | but you should know before then | 16:36 |
| aelkner | if i've delivered the final grade view | 16:37 |
| aelkner | then you can always test it out | 16:37 |
| jelkner | fine, but i won't generate any real final grades until then | 16:37 |
| aelkner | right, nithing will be real | 16:37 |
| aelkner | but "what if" is possible | 16:37 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:37 |
| th1a__ | If the semester ended today... | 16:38 |
| th1a__ | Any other news jelkner? | 16:39 |
| th1a__ | Are we making any intern progress? | 16:39 |
| th1a__ | It seems like communication is running a little better. | 16:39 |
| jelkner | shouldn't ignas be addressing that? | 16:39 |
| th1a__ | He's not shy. | 16:39 |
| jelkner | i've told them what you told me to tell them: talk to ignas | 16:39 |
| th1a__ | OK. | 16:39 |
| th1a__ | Cool. | 16:39 |
| ignas | they do talk to me already | 16:40 |
| jelkner | it looks like they've been following through | 16:40 |
| jelkner | but i haven't been able to monitor that | 16:40 |
| th1a__ | I guess I forget you don't actually see most of those kids. | 16:40 |
| jelkner | great! | 16:40 |
| ignas | just that some of them are having technical problems with cando (not sure why they need cando though) | 16:40 |
| ignas | ;) | 16:40 |
| th1a__ | They probably don't. | 16:40 |
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| jelkner | at this point they don't | 16:40 |
| ignas | anyway - it's a good opportunity to get cando working properly again | 16:41 |
| aelkner | well filip wanted to help with a conso bug | 16:41 |
| jelkner | so the best thing would be to encourage them not to get hung up in technical issues that are not relevant | 16:41 |
| aelkner | and that's where he found that he couldn't get it to work | 16:41 |
| ignas | that's what i am talking about | 16:41 |
| th1a__ | Oh, so I've got 5000 euro budgeted for interns in 2008. | 16:41 |
| th1a__ | Which hopefully will amount to $7500. | 16:41 |
| jelkner | if things with the dollar keep going the way they are, maybe even more | 16:42 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 16:42 |
| th1a__ | If the dollar suddenly goes back up dramatically we're screwed. | 16:42 |
| jelkner | i don't think that is likely | 16:42 |
| aelkner | i would trnasfer euros to dollars if possible | 16:42 |
| th1a__ | Nor I. | 16:42 |
| th1a__ | Either way, I'm not sure how I would have accounted for it. | 16:42 |
| th1a__ | Anything else jelkner? | 16:43 |
| jelkner | it is too early for pycon discussion? | 16:43 |
| th1a__ | PyCon goals? | 16:43 |
| jelkner | goals and planning | 16:44 |
| ignas | jelkner, th1a__: maybe you could send me a list of all the interns that are supposed to be working on something | 16:44 |
| jelkner | registration hasn't opened yet | 16:44 |
| ignas | so i could track them | 16:44 |
| jelkner | ignas: there are only 4 | 16:44 |
| ignas | th1a__: it seems that we will be doing a release during pycon (probably) | 16:44 |
| ignas | jelkner: this is the kind of information i need ;) | 16:44 |
| th1a__ | That makes sense. | 16:45 |
| ignas | jelkner: how many, who are they | 16:45 |
| jelkner | filip, andrew, chris carey, and william johnston | 16:45 |
| jelkner | have all of them been in communication with you? | 16:45 |
| jelkner | my feeling is: begin at the top | 16:46 |
| ignas | i'll have to comb through my email | 16:46 |
| jelkner | we may be able to pick up a few more, but let's begin with those with the most skill and initiative | 16:46 |
| ignas | to see who has a task, and who asked for one | 16:46 |
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| jelkner | i can email anyone you are not sure about | 16:47 |
| jelkner | but andrew and filip have been regulars, yes? | 16:47 |
| jelkner | and i see william johnston every day | 16:47 |
| ignas | filip - definitely yes - spent 2-3 hours this weekend trying to get cando working for him | 16:47 |
| jelkner | he is working on the seating chart, so you wouldn't have heard from him | 16:48 |
| jelkner | but i know he is working | 16:48 |
| jelkner | what about andrew? | 16:48 |
| ignas | looking at it at the moment | 16:48 |
| jelkner | i have the least contact with him | 16:48 |
| th1a__ | btw, these guys should invoice me before the end of the year. | 16:48 |
| jelkner | but he was in vilnius with you guys | 16:48 |
| th1a__ | I guess I need to tell them that. | 16:48 |
| ignas | hmm last time i have heard directly from andrew was september 27 | 16:49 |
| jelkner | th1a__: please | 16:49 |
| jelkner | the end of the year approaches rapidly... | 16:49 |
| th1a__ | ignas: I don't think Andrew has done anything lately. | 16:49 |
| jelkner | th1a__: why? | 16:50 |
| th1a__ | Other things going on in his life. | 16:50 |
| jelkner | i suggest we get filip working on schooltool | 16:50 |
| jelkner | and punt cando work for now | 16:50 |
| aelkner | would he have trunk commit access? | 16:50 |
| jelkner | that will make setup easier for him | 16:51 |
| jelkner | and makes more sense anyway | 16:51 |
| ignas | what's william johnston's email? | 16:51 |
| jelkner | since we don't have cando funds at the moment | 16:51 |
| jelkner | brb | 16:51 |
| jelkner | ddsoccershocker@gmail.com | 16:52 |
| th1a__ | OK... shall we move on? | 16:53 |
| jelkner | i'm ready | 16:53 |
| th1a__ | OK. ignas? | 16:54 |
| ignas | nothing much done, mostly spent the time looking for feasible approaches to schooltool's time tracking problems | 16:54 |
| ignas | did some bugfixes for lyceum | 16:54 |
| ignas | and added lesson descriptions to the lyceum journal | 16:55 |
| th1a__ | I think you accomplished a lot with the time tracking issue. | 16:55 |
| ignas | i hope so ;) we'll see when i'll start implementing it | 16:56 |
| aelkner | I'd be interested in seeing some more breakdown of keyframes in your science fiction | 16:56 |
| aelkner | that one paragraph seemed a bit blackboxed | 16:56 |
| aelkner | could you add some ideas on how you think you would implement them? | 16:56 |
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| ignas | it is, i am still thinking about how to implement keyframes in relation to schooltool relationships | 16:57 |
| ignas | having an ISectionKeyframe is quite easy | 16:57 |
| ignas | it will have "added" list and "removed" list | 16:57 |
| ignas | with students in them | 16:57 |
| ignas | what troubles me is implementing it in a backwards compatible manner | 16:57 |
| ignas | but yes, i will be extending the text file as i go | 16:58 |
| aelkner | it seemed like what you did is still backwards compatible | 16:58 |
| ignas | from the ISection side - yes | 16:58 |
| aelkner | section.members is all the old code uses, right? | 16:58 |
| aelkner | ok | 16:58 |
| ignas | but not from getRelationshipLinks(section) | 16:59 |
| ignas | and there are a lot of places that do that | 16:59 |
| th1a__ | Ah. | 16:59 |
| aelkner | could the relationship links also take time into account? | 16:59 |
| ignas | maybe | 17:00 |
| aelkner | not that i have a vision for how that would be | 17:00 |
| aelkner | just a thought | 17:00 |
| th1a__ | That'll have to happen one way or another. | 17:00 |
| aelkner | since section memebers is a relationships thing anyway... | 17:01 |
| ignas | i'm looking at it, and thinking a lot about it | 17:01 |
| aelkner | could you keep me posted as your README.txt file grows? | 17:02 |
| ignas | i could, but it's highly volatile and subject to change | 17:02 |
| aelkner | i would only want to check it out every couple of days | 17:03 |
| aelkner | to keep from getting confused by changes | 17:03 |
| ignas | i'll try | 17:03 |
| aelkner | you can just email it like you did last time | 17:03 |
| ignas | if i will have anything readable i'll keep it posted | 17:04 |
| aelkner | cool | 17:04 |
| th1a__ | OK, aelkner, what's up wit choo? | 17:04 |
| aelkner | well, last week's cando meeting #1 was a success | 17:04 |
| aelkner | partly jelkner needed to come up to speed on using it | 17:05 |
| aelkner | to become more a power user like wlesh's users | 17:05 |
| jelkner | (#2, bro) | 17:05 |
| aelkner | #2 was cancelled, i'll get to that | 17:05 |
| aelkner | anyway | 17:05 |
| aelkner | jelkner had some valid complaints | 17:05 |
| aelkner | particularly about the cando gradebook | 17:06 |
| aelkner | it has always been a way too slow loader | 17:06 |
| aelkner | which is becuase whoever wrote it (stephan?) used recursive page templates | 17:06 |
| aelkner | which is not a good idea in my opinion | 17:07 |
| aelkner | as each load of a page template is very expensive | 17:07 |
| th1a__ | But elegant! | 17:07 |
| aelkner | so i proposed changing the cando gradebook to work more like schooltool's gadebook | 17:07 |
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| th1a | Actually, I'd imagine it was pcardune. | 17:07 |
| aelkner | in that it could keep track of the user's current competency group | 17:07 |
| ignas | jelkner: could you write an email to william, because i am not sure he knows he should contact me about the tasks | 17:08 |
| jelkner | ignas: william is working on the seating chart | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i see him everyday, so he is not a problem | 17:08 |
| ignas | jelkner: oh | 17:08 |
| aelkner | and present pulldowns to swiitch between them as in switching worksheets | 17:08 |
| aelkner | then we could get rid of the whole "load all evaluations" page that only serves to confuse the user (at least jelkner was) | 17:09 |
| aelkner | anyway, all in the meeting seemed to agree with my proposal | 17:09 |
| aelkner | so we just need a blueprint drawn up to that effect | 17:09 |
| th1a | So this would bring the CanDo and SchoolTool gradebooks closer together? | 17:09 |
| aelkner | wouldn't it be nice if they could share code? | 17:10 |
| aelkner | as it is, even if i make those changes | 17:10 |
| aelkner | it would still be two different code segments | 17:10 |
| th1a | Sure. | 17:10 |
| ignas | don't forget that cando will be using schooltool2007 | 17:11 |
| ignas | or are you going to start using nightlies again? | 17:11 |
| aelkner | yeah, but i wouldn't be able to build cando's gradebook on top of schooltool's | 17:11 |
| aelkner | cando's requirements are more complex | 17:11 |
| aelkner | if schooltool's gradebook would want to support | 17:12 |
| ignas | i know, i am just warning that ability to share code among cando and schooltool is quite limmited, as you won't see changes to gradebook in cando | 17:12 |
| aelkner | an arbitrirly complex set of requirements as cando does | 17:12 |
| aelkner | you're talking relase issues, right? | 17:13 |
| ignas | as in "changes to schooltool gradebook you are making now, will not be accessible from cando" | 17:13 |
| ignas | for quite a while i assume (at least until cando starts it's new development cycle and switches to schooltool trunk) | 17:13 |
| aelkner | cando already uses schooltool's trunk | 17:13 |
| aelkner | doesn't it? | 17:14 |
| aelkner | checking now | 17:14 |
| ignas | nope, it does not | 17:14 |
| ignas | it uses an ancient nightly egg iirc | 17:14 |
| aelkner | you're right | 17:14 |
| ignas | 2006.999-2007-alpha1-svn-r7231 | 17:15 |
| aelkner | schooltool == 2006.999-2007-alpha1-svn-r7231 | 17:15 |
| ignas | now schooltool trunk is 7329 | 17:15 |
| ignas | i'd suggest tying to a release version | 17:15 |
| ignas | to have it stable | 17:15 |
| aelkner | how often would our schooltool changes get into the release version? | 17:16 |
| ignas | every 6 months | 17:16 |
| aelkner | so that definitely decouples cando from schooltool's latest code | 17:16 |
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| th1a | Next year the top priority overall is getting releases out on the Ubuntu cycle. | 17:16 |
| aelkner | is that what we want | 17:16 |
| ignas | aelkner: the alternative is cando breaking a lot | 17:17 |
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| ignas | at least - possibly breaking a lot | 17:17 |
| aelkner | if there was only a way to be able to react to | 17:17 |
| aelkner | for example | 17:17 |
| aelkner | welsh nees a new feature in cando | 17:18 |
| aelkner | and the work is being done already in schooltool | 17:18 |
| aelkner | so when the schooltool work is done | 17:18 |
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| aelkner | having a way to get it into cando | 17:18 |
| aelkner | without waiting for the four months to be up | 17:18 |
| ignas | the downside is that - someone has to get schooltool into a releasable state for such a push | 17:18 |
| aelkner | right | 17:18 |
| ignas | which means - finishing all WIP things | 17:18 |
| ignas | all of them, no matter who is doing them | 17:18 |
| ignas | writing all the evolution scripts too | 17:19 |
| th1a | Overall, making major changes to the deployed version of CanDo during the year is a recipe for disaster. | 17:19 |
| th1a | In my opinion. | 17:19 |
| th1a | Or a recipe for wasting a lot of time. | 17:19 |
| aelkner | well let's take the gradebook changes i referred to before | 17:20 |
| aelkner | it's not a good example of schooltool dependency, but | 17:20 |
| aelkner | it could be something that would be needed sooner than later | 17:20 |
| aelkner | if enough users complained | 17:20 |
| aelkner | and it was felt that the change would be important for the project's perception | 17:21 |
| aelkner | as we continue to add more and more users | 17:21 |
| ignas | aelkner: if you will be the person who handles all the deployment issues - just stick with nightlies | 17:21 |
| th1a | Well, as the application becomes more mature, we also need to have fewer and fewer problems that are that severe. | 17:22 |
| ignas | or just push nightlies everytime you need it | 17:22 |
| aelkner | puch nightlies? | 17:22 |
| ignas | push | 17:22 |
| ignas | as in - you see a schooltool state | 17:22 |
| ignas | that *you* consider a stable enough | 17:22 |
| ignas | for cando to use | 17:22 |
| ignas | you just set it to be depended upon in cando/setup.py | 17:23 |
| ignas | and tell everyone to upgrade | 17:23 |
| ignas | if anything breaks - you fix it | 17:23 |
| aelkner | so i can just change cando's setup.py anytime i want to use a newer schooltool nightly | 17:23 |
| ignas | so you will be tracking trunk, but in a more controled manner | 17:23 |
| ignas | yes | 17:23 |
| aelkner | that sounds quite managable | 17:24 |
| th1a | This is not really work I want to pay for. | 17:24 |
| aelkner | it's not going to happen more than once or twice a semester | 17:24 |
| ignas | but read the warning about trunk in http://ignas.pov.lt/state-of-the-nation.html | 17:24 |
| aelkner | if even that | 17:24 |
| ignas | the one about kittens ;) | 17:24 |
| aelkner | read it just now | 17:25 |
| th1a | But in general, I want you to be there to put out fires for CanDo. Not develop new features. | 17:25 |
| aelkner | understood | 17:26 |
| ignas | well - there are weekends ;) | 17:26 |
| jelkner | agreed | 17:26 |
| jelkner | we need to push for more funding for cando | 17:26 |
| aelkner | cando's gradebook problems could be considered a fire of sorts | 17:26 |
| jelkner | and it will actually be harder to get it if we do to many things for free | 17:26 |
| aelkner | but yes, we won't be addicted to bleeding-edge schooltool | 17:26 |
| th1a | Last question. | 17:27 |
| th1a | Are we on track to have jelkner ready by Christmas? | 17:27 |
| aelkner | i believe jelkner only needs the final grades view i'm working on | 17:28 |
| aelkner | so if that's the case, then yes | 17:28 |
| aelkner | jelkner? | 17:28 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:28 |
| jelkner | i only need the final grades view | 17:28 |
| th1a | OK. Good. | 17:28 |
| jelkner | so i can give grades | 17:28 |
| jelkner | students should be able to see that too | 17:28 |
| jelkner | and parents | 17:28 |
| jelkner | i don't mean the whole class view | 17:29 |
| jelkner | just their individual summaries | 17:29 |
| jelkner | nevermind, that is done :-0 | 17:29 |
| aelkner | ah, so final grades view should also be a part of student's gradebook (mygrades) | 17:29 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:29 |
| aelkner | glad you mentioned it | 17:29 |
| jelkner | they should know what grade they received | 17:29 |
| aelkner | and the same reason for it | 17:30 |
| aelkner | the adjustment and comment we discussed | 17:30 |
| jelkner | yes | 17:30 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:30 |
| aelkner | so the other meeting #2 was cancelled | 17:31 |
| aelkner | due to snow | 17:31 |
| aelkner | we were going to recruit some more users | 17:31 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:31 |
| aelkner | but that will have to wait until early january | 17:31 |
| aelkner | i'm waiting to hear about the new meeting | 17:31 |
| aelkner | and we could schedule another YHS meeting around it | 17:32 |
| jelkner | my assumption is: january 8 and 9 | 17:32 |
| aelkner | i prefer to kill two brds with one stone | 17:32 |
| aelkner | oh? | 17:32 |
| jelkner | sure | 17:32 |
| aelkner | well it's not up to us | 17:32 |
| jelkner | our monthly area meetings are always on the 2nd wed | 17:32 |
| jelkner | which will 1/9 | 17:33 |
| aelkner | but the other meeting is Morton's to schedule | 17:33 |
| aelkner | right? | 17:33 |
| jelkner | so we will do ours on 1/8 | 17:33 |
| jelkner | no | 17:33 |
| jelkner | he is using the normal county wide meeting | 17:33 |
| jelkner | and just putting us on the agenda | 17:33 |
| jelkner | i'll confirm with dwelsh | 17:34 |
| aelkner | ok | 17:34 |
| th1a | All right then. Have a great week, gentlemen. | 17:34 |
| jelkner | wait | 17:34 |
| jelkner | one more thing before we go | 17:34 |
| th1a | Well, you can keep talking. | 17:34 |
| th1a | I'm not going anywhere. | 17:34 |
| jelkner | we have eldar back for a month | 17:34 |
| th1a | I'm just going to drop the bag of gravel. | 17:34 |
| aelkner | hold onto that bag of gravel... | 17:34 |
| aelkner | :) | 17:34 |
| jelkner | we should get him into schooltool work as well | 17:34 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:34 | |
| th1a | OK. | 17:35 |
| ignas | jelkner: eldar is going to be working on cando ? | 17:35 |
| th1a | What month? | 17:35 |
| jelkner | this month | 17:35 |
| jelkner | he is a college student | 17:35 |
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| jelkner | he has from like next week until the 3rd week of january | 17:35 |
| jelkner | he emailed me saying he is available | 17:35 |
| jelkner | we don't have any money for cando | 17:35 |
| jelkner | eldar has skills | 17:36 |
| jelkner | can't we use him on schooltool? | 17:36 |
| aelkner | jelkner: could we give him the following task? | 17:36 |
| aelkner | journals need to be messages, remember? | 17:36 |
| aelkner | right now they only appear as messages in the UI | 17:36 |
| ignas | isn't it cando? | 17:36 |
| ignas | (which is why want to know what is he going to be working on) | 17:36 |
| jelkner | he just wants to work | 17:37 |
| aelkner | i'm talking cando right now | 17:37 |
| jelkner | ignas: what he does is up to us | 17:37 |
| th1a | He could do that journal/message stuff. | 17:37 |
| jelkner | i say we don't touch cando until more funding comes in | 17:37 |
| aelkner | that's what i mean | 17:37 |
| aelkner | but if we have him | 17:37 |
| aelkner | he would be good for that project | 17:37 |
| jelkner | we don't have cando money | 17:37 |
| aelkner | that's up to Tom | 17:37 |
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| jelkner | so it really isn't an option | 17:37 |
| aelkner | i haven't used up as much money as tom budgeted for me this year | 17:38 |
| jelkner | are there schooltool things he could do? | 17:38 |
| aelkner | so maybe eldar could use some for cando work | 17:38 |
| aelkner | tom? | 17:38 |
| jelkner | ignas? | 17:38 |
| ignas | jelkner: always | 17:39 |
| jelkner | then that would be better | 17:39 |
| aelkner | jelkner: why are you stearing eldar away from cando? | 17:39 |
| aelkner | that's where he has more expertise anyway | 17:39 |
| jelkner | because i'm trying to avoid problems | 17:39 |
| jelkner | cando has no money | 17:39 |
| jelkner | eldar wants work | 17:39 |
| jelkner | for which he would like to be paid ;-) | 17:39 |
| aelkner | we're talking jsut three weeks, right? | 17:39 |
| ignas | jelkner: i just want to have something prepared if he will be working on schooltool | 17:39 |
| jelkner | that's why i brought this up | 17:40 |
| jelkner | eldar emailed me a few days ago | 17:40 |
| aelkner | th1a: could eldar work on cando for just those three weeks? | 17:40 |
| jelkner | i wrote back to him with my stock answer: jump on #schooltool and talk to ignas | 17:40 |
| jelkner | but i'd be glad to play a more active role in contacting him | 17:41 |
| aelkner | th1a? | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i wanted to discuss it here first though | 17:41 |
| aelkner | it looks like tom is away from his desk | 17:42 |
| aelkner | i'd love it if eldar worked on the journal/messaging problem | 17:42 |
| aelkner | he has extensive knowledge with journaling | 17:42 |
| ignas | jelkner, aelkner: just tell me when you will know for sure whether it's cando journaling, schooltool gradebook or schooltool something-else please. | 17:44 |
| th1a | It is fine with me. | 17:45 |
| aelkner | which is fine? | 17:45 |
| aelkner | eldar working on cando journaling? | 17:45 |
| th1a | I'd rather have Eldar work on CanDo. | 17:45 |
| aelkner | jsut for the short term? | 17:45 |
| aelkner | cool | 17:46 |
| jelkner | great | 17:46 |
| aelkner | jelkner: have eldar contact me when he's ready | 17:46 |
| jelkner | so i'll get back in touch with eldar and tell him to contact aelkner | 17:46 |
| ignas | jinty: thanks, cando seems to be working with KGS + schooltool2007alpha6 | 17:59 |
| ignas | should be a lot less likely to break down randomly when someone messes up PYPI now | 17:59 |
| aelkner | ignas: does this mean filip will be able to work with cando now and have the tests pass? | 18:07 |
| ignas | let me do a test run ;) | 18:08 |
| ignas | yes - i think so, except for the lxml test failure | 18:08 |
| aelkner | there's no way you know of to fix that? | 18:09 |
| ignas | well - my suggestion number one would be | 18:09 |
| ignas | to not use lxml, and to switch to libxml2 for example, even though i think lxml is better | 18:09 |
| ignas | just to make cando work in a buildout | 18:09 |
| ignas | if that is not an option - then someone has to just dive in | 18:10 |
| ignas | and try to find out | 18:10 |
| ignas | how are lxml version different in gutsy vs older ubuntu | 18:10 |
| ignas | and fix that bug so it would work on all of them | 18:10 |
| aelkner | maybe filip could do the research | 18:11 |
| ignas | maybe | 18:11 |
| aelkner | if he has a non-gutsy machine | 18:11 |
| aelkner | to compare | 18:11 |
| ignas | i don't really know how skilled are the interns | 18:11 |
| ignas | i haven't worked that much with them | 18:12 |
| aelkner | filip gets around with distros pretty well | 18:12 |
| ignas | i'll try to get at least some tests working | 18:12 |
| ignas | some of the failures are due to Zope3 changes | 18:12 |
| aelkner | that would help a lot, thanks | 18:12 |
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| ignas | aelkner: ok, cando tests now pass with KGS and schooltool 2007 alpha | 19:03 |
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| th1a | jinty seems to be having some connectivity problems... | 20:40 |
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