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| jinty | ignas: A Web UI to build packages/eggs: http://svn.vanguardistas.net/public/vanguardistas.builder/ | 15:23 |
| jinty | ignas: and a skeleton schooltool config for that UI: http://svn.vanguardistas.net/public/schooltool.buildconfig/ | 15:23 |
| jinty | ignas: Very alpha code... but maybe you want to comment before I go further | 15:23 |
| ignas | how do I run it? ;) | 15:27 |
| jinty | ./run.py ? | 15:28 |
| jinty | in vanguardistas,builder | 15:29 |
| jinty | I want to set one up on schooltool.org relativley soon | 15:31 |
| jinty | but it can't cope with the current schooltool reporitory layout | 15:31 |
| ignas | i see | 15:32 |
| torkel_ | jinty: is there any live demo of that package builder on web? | 15:33 |
| torkel_ | jinty: and can it be used to build any kind of python eggs? (zope3, plone) | 15:34 |
| jinty | torkel_: no, and yes (with a lot of work) | 15:34 |
| jinty | one planned use is to maintain debian packages of zope eggs with it | 15:35 |
| jinty | I'm presuming it will never be used to release zope eggs | 15:35 |
| torkel_ | perhaps not, but it would have been nice with some ttw theme/layout engine -> eggs :) | 15:36 |
| jinty | Well, I use it (in my company) for the whole release cycle. i.e. subversion tagging -> egg -> debian package | 15:38 |
| jinty | others could as well | 15:38 |
| torkel_ | sounds nice, I'd better bookmark it :-) | 15:39 |
| jinty | torkel_: When it's ready, I'll move it to a better place | 15:40 |
| jinty | perhaps svn.zope.org | 15:40 |
| jinty | or code.launchpad.org | 15:41 |
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| test123 | test message from EMEA | 16:21 |
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| test123 | Hi aelkner | 16:27 |
| aelkner | hi | 16:27 |
| ignas | hello | 16:28 |
| th1a_ | Hi ignas, aelkner, test123, jfroche, Lumiere. | 16:30 |
| aelkner | hey Tom | 16:30 |
| ignas | hi | 16:31 |
| th1a_ | aelkner: I can't believe that pick Feeley threw. | 16:31 |
| aelkner | tell me about it | 16:31 |
| th1a_ | That was one stupid pass. | 16:31 |
| th1a_ | STUPID! | 16:31 |
| aelkner | we really looked lke we might pull it off | 16:31 |
| aelkner | but we still shocked a lot of poeple | 16:32 |
| aelkner | and anyone taking the 2 points was happy | 16:32 |
| aelkner | 24 | 16:32 |
| th1a_ | Indeed. | 16:32 |
| th1a_ | OK. Down to business. I'm writing a budget today. | 16:32 |
| th1a_ | So you'll be hearing more about that. | 16:33 |
| th1a_ | ignas? | 16:33 |
| ignas | not too much new things | 16:34 |
| ignas | have made ldap and CAS authentication proper plugins | 16:34 |
| ignas | at last | 16:34 |
| ignas | now both of them preserve POST data | 16:34 |
| ignas | and can be enabled through schooltool.conf | 16:35 |
| ignas | so you just add a slug into your instance plugins | 16:35 |
| ignas | and add configuration blockj | 16:35 |
| th1a_ | Cool. | 16:36 |
| ignas | that's kind of it | 16:37 |
| th1a_ | What's next on your list? | 16:37 |
| ignas | hmm, probably some fixes to lyceum gradebook | 16:38 |
| th1a_ | OK. | 16:39 |
| ignas | and i have a to do list in Lithuanian | 16:39 |
| th1a_ | aelkner was moving last week... | 16:39 |
| aelkner | yep | 16:39 |
| th1a_ | ignas: In Lithuanian? | 16:39 |
| ignas | ok, not in lithuanian, in english | 16:40 |
| ignas | Lyceum are asking some small things to be fixed | 16:40 |
| ignas | like i18n stuff | 16:40 |
| ignas | showing booked resources in the edit event view | 16:40 |
| ignas | (even if they are not editable) | 16:40 |
| ignas | at least as information | 16:40 |
| ignas | showing edit/view event views depending on your permissions | 16:41 |
| th1a_ | All good things to fix. | 16:41 |
| ignas | yes | 16:42 |
| th1a_ | ignas: Anything else? | 16:42 |
| ignas | no | 16:42 |
| th1a_ | aelkner: I need to double check jelkner's new blueprints, but I don't see why there'd be a problem. | 16:43 |
| aelkner | i discussed them with jeff on the phone, but haven't had a chance to look at them | 16:43 |
| aelkner | i think i'll need to talk wth him again to refine them | 16:44 |
| th1a_ | I'll look at them today. | 16:44 |
| aelkner | he said it was hard to phrase things | 16:44 |
| th1a_ | But you're planning on doing those this week? | 16:44 |
| aelkner | but i know the genereal goals | 16:44 |
| aelkner | yes | 16:44 |
| th1a_ | OK. Cool. | 16:45 |
| th1a_ | I guess one thing that is a bit of a blocker is you're also running into needing to withdraw kids and retain the data you've got. | 16:45 |
| th1a_ | Which is also an issue in Lithuania, and not an easy one to solve. | 16:46 |
| th1a_ | OK... | 16:47 |
| th1a_ | test123: I got your email. | 16:47 |
| test123 | good | 16:47 |
| th1a_ | So did you show SchoolTool to the teachers? | 16:47 |
| test123 | I was not sure I could make the call | 16:47 |
| th1a_ | No problem. Thanks for being here. | 16:47 |
| test123 | No. I timed out on the demo | 16:47 |
| test123 | But I mentioned the functionality that they would have | 16:47 |
| th1a_ | Oh demo.schooltool.org? | 16:47 |
| test123 | and gave the headteachers the iPod touches | 16:48 |
| test123 | to play with | 16:48 |
| test123 | We lacked an internet connection in the meeting room | 16:48 |
| test123 | and we were short on time | 16:48 |
| th1a_ | Ah. | 16:48 |
| test123 | I would like to complete the gradebook How To | 16:48 |
| test123 | and agree some screen shots with Ignas/Jeff... Would that be OK? | 16:49 |
| th1a_ | We need an iPhone skin ;-) | 16:49 |
| test123 | I have a proposal under development for that | 16:49 |
| test123 | what is your deadline? | 16:50 |
| th1a_ | Wednesday? | 16:50 |
| test123 | ok | 16:50 |
| test123 | Did Ignas get my email? | 16:51 |
| ignas | yes | 16:51 |
| ignas | i have even replied to it i think | 16:51 |
| test123 | OK.. thanks! | 16:52 |
| ignas | when it comes to gradebook you should talk to aelkner | 16:52 |
| th1a_ | Yes. | 16:52 |
| ignas | he is working on it at the moment, and i haven't touched gradebook since it was made by srichter | 16:52 |
| test123 | OK can you forward my message to him and cc me so I have his email? thanks | 16:53 |
| aelkner | i saw your email | 16:53 |
| aelkner | but it wasn't about gradebook functionality | 16:53 |
| aelkner | but about starting the server? | 16:53 |
| test123 | Correct | 16:53 |
| aelkner | so that would be ignas' domain | 16:54 |
| test123 | Its about recreating the ``zope 2debug '' envt | 16:54 |
| test123 | in z3 | 16:54 |
| ignas | zope2debug ? | 16:54 |
| ignas | why do you need it? | 16:54 |
| ignas | and what precisely do you mean by "zope2debug environment" ? | 16:54 |
| test123 | its a python shell that the gradebook readme | 16:54 |
| test123 | seems to imply we need | 16:54 |
| ignas | ? | 16:55 |
| ignas | what do you want to do with the readme? | 16:55 |
| ignas | run it on an existing server? | 16:55 |
| test123 | Basically I would like to reproduce the readme protocol | 16:55 |
| test123 | using a python session | 16:55 |
| ignas | i am sorry, i don't really understand what you mean by "reproduce" and by "protocol" | 16:56 |
| test123 | I am assuming that gradebook doesn't have a GUI | 16:56 |
| ignas | it has | 16:56 |
| ignas | i might have pasted you the wrong readme though | 16:56 |
| test123 | then that is what is missing from my understanding | 16:56 |
| ignas | i have corrected that mistake in my last email | 16:56 |
| th1a_ | The doctest (README) just tests the backend. | 16:56 |
| ignas | by linking into the readme that is using testbrowser | 16:57 |
| ignas | and should be more clear | 16:57 |
| test123 | thanks.. that makes it clearer | 16:57 |
| ignas | though you are not expected to run it | 16:57 |
| th1a_ | We don't really have documentation for using it. | 16:57 |
| ignas | just follow the steps manually | 16:57 |
| th1a_ | Although perhaps it is time to do that. | 16:57 |
| aelkner | the README is a good example on how to use it | 16:57 |
| th1a_ | Right now we only have one user and the interface is changing. | 16:57 |
| test123 | I need to get back to the sys admin tasks before I time out here | 16:58 |
| test123 | Can we pick this up please tomorrow? | 16:58 |
| aelkner | i'll be here tomorrow if you have any questions | 16:58 |
| test123 | thanks.. Tom? | 16:59 |
| th1a_ | I'll be around. | 17:00 |
| test123 | then I'll check out.. looking forward to taking this fwd ,, | 17:00 |
| th1a_ | Me too. ttyl test123. | 17:00 |
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| th1a_ | Just when you think Ian has some idea of what's going on... | 17:01 |
| th1a_ | I forwarded an email from jinty about our bizarre zope3 package bug. | 17:01 |
| th1a_ | To the dev list. | 17:01 |
| th1a_ | I'm going to try filing a bug on PPA. | 17:02 |
| th1a_ | jfroche: ayt? | 17:02 |
| th1a_ | OK. I think we're done. | 17:04 |
| th1a_ | Anything else? | 17:04 |
| th1a_ | Have a good week then! | 17:05 |
| * th1a_ drops the bag of gravel. | 17:05 | |
| ignas | th1a_: unrelated question (if you have time) - what are your plans about interns? | 17:08 |
| ignas | th1a_: i could try giving them something to do if i was seeing them online | 17:09 |
| th1a_ | Seeing them on IRC? | 17:09 |
| ignas | would be nice | 17:09 |
| th1a_ | Should we set up a meeting time? | 17:09 |
| ignas | if it is possible | 17:09 |
| th1a_ | I'll try to set it up. | 17:09 |
| ignas | because well - i just have no idea what they are capable of, what they can/want to do | 17:10 |
| ignas | and don't really know who they are ;) | 17:10 |
| ignas | th1a_: thanks | 17:10 |
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| th1a_ | hi jinty. | 17:13 |
| jinty | hey th1a_ | 17:13 |
| jinty | I take it you got my mail about the re-installing zope3? | 17:13 |
| th1a_ | Yes. | 17:14 |
| th1a_ | Did you happen to try making a non-PPA package? | 17:14 |
| * jinty just tests quickly his package built for debian unstable | 17:15 | |
| jinty | on the same system where he could re-produce the original problem | 17:15 |
| ignas | jinty: dependencies in your setup.py files are assuming presence of Zope3 and twisted ... | 17:16 |
| ignas | jinty: in the buildtools | 17:16 |
| ignas | makes it difficult to build the thing in my "clean python" environment | 17:17 |
| jinty | ignas: Ah, I see, unfortunately those dependencies are used to set the debian package dependencies | 17:18 |
| jinty | and python-zope.interface doesn't really exist yet | 17:18 |
| ignas | i wouldn | 17:19 |
| ignas | wouldn't mind having them in a commented out area ;) | 17:19 |
| ignas | because now i have to do the hunting myself ;) | 17:19 |
| jinty | ah, I see;) just depend on zope.app.zcmlfiles for now ;) | 17:20 |
| jinty | that should nail down most of them | 17:20 |
| ignas | no module twisted.web2.wsgi :/ | 17:21 |
| ignas | neat | 17:25 |
| ignas | Twisted is packaged as a tar.bz2 | 17:25 |
| ignas | and has an old style non setuptools setup.py | 17:26 |
| ignas | jinty: sorry, but i think i'll pass on testing the thing unless i'll find the time to rewrite it to be a proper WSGI application | 17:27 |
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| jinty | th1a_: when I use the zope3 package I built for debian unstable, I don't get the recurring install problem | 17:28 |
| jinty | th1a_: so the problem happens somewhere between you downloading the package and it being made available from the PPA | 17:28 |
| th1a_ | OK. | 17:28 |
| th1a_ | That's good to know for the bug report. | 17:28 |
| jinty | it's probably not your magic script, so ... | 17:29 |
| jinty | th1a_: one other thing, I'd like to install my package builder software on schooltool.org | 17:35 |
| th1a_ | OK. | 17:35 |
| jinty | th1a_: but I'm going to have to upgrade the machine | 17:35 |
| th1a_ | OK. | 17:35 |
| jinty | cool, then I'll bring it to the latest released ubuntu version | 17:36 |
| th1a_ | Fine with me. | 17:37 |
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| ignas | th1a_: still there? | 19:30 |
| th1a_ | Yes. | 19:31 |
| ignas | do we really want to have nepali calendar support? | 19:31 |
| ignas | because it is a change with a difficulty level of "timezone support" | 19:31 |
| th1a_ | I've just been thinking about it as an intern project at this point. | 19:32 |
| th1a_ | What are the steps (roughly) after getting a datetime implementation? | 19:33 |
| ignas | well - "making schooltool capable of handling 2 different datetime implementations" | 19:33 |
| ignas | which is - rewrite/refactor most of our calendaring code, timetabling code | 19:33 |
| th1a_ | Well, it wouldn't be something you'd need to switch. | 19:34 |
| ignas | well - it would be something you'd need to cope with everywhere | 19:34 |
| ignas | we have "January" built into our code | 19:34 |
| ignas | from top to bottom | 19:34 |
| ignas | assumptions about weeks, months being in there, and being of some specific length | 19:35 |
| ignas | "from datetime import datetime" | 19:35 |
| ignas | should get replaced with some kind of centralized datetime utility | 19:35 |
| ignas | pytz code might have it's own assumptions about months as well | 19:35 |
| ignas | oh, and nepali datetime widgets, with nepali date parsing might be needed | 19:36 |
| th1a_ | This isn't something I'd be seriously budgeting for (or expecting you to deal with AT ALL) in 2008. | 19:36 |
| ignas | i know, i just don't want resources to be wasted on a task that is more or less impossible without huge investment of time | 19:37 |
| th1a_ | Yes, this is a good point. | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | well, if it makes its way into the codebase, I fail to see how ignas could avoid dealing with it | 19:38 |
| th1a_ | mgedmin: Doing the datetime stuff wouldn't end up in the SchoolTool codebase. | 19:38 |
| ignas | my point is - datetime is not even close to being enough | 19:39 |
| th1a_ | Yes. | 19:39 |
| ignas | it's just the first step | 19:39 |
| th1a_ | It is just a kind of appealing problem. | 19:39 |
| ignas | appealing? | 19:39 |
| th1a_ | The algorithmic part. | 19:40 |
| th1a_ | Not the integrating into SchoolTool part. | 19:40 |
| th1a_ | Anyhow, you're probably right. | 19:40 |
| th1a_ | I can just forward this discussion to Jeff and Chris. | 19:41 |
| th1a_ | OK, I just did that. | 19:43 |
| ignas | thanks | 19:48 |
| th1a_ | I also sent him an email about having the interns meet with you. | 19:48 |
| th1a_ | ignas: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_11_25_archive.html#295462606285438984 | 19:58 |
| ignas | th1a_: wow | 20:01 |
| th1a_ | Indeed. | 20:01 |
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| th1a_ | jinty: I just sent you a link to the bug report. | 20:41 |
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