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| ^Migs^ | Greetings! | 21:09 |
| th1a_ | Hi ^Migs^ | 21:09 |
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| Lumiere | hi ^Migs^ | 21:15 |
| Lumiere | th1a: help me hurt jelkner please <_< | 21:15 |
| ^Migs^ | have you guys successfully used SchoolTool in an educational environment? | 21:18 |
| Lumiere | I have successfully used the current development version of the CanDo plugin for a year now | 21:22 |
| Lumiere | (I don't use gradebook/attendance) | 21:22 |
| ^Migs^ | ok | 21:24 |
| ^Migs^ | I'm a technical volunteer for a new charter school, and I'm trying to evaluate open source opportunities | 21:24 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: US based? | 21:26 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: I'll know more about schooltool's US gradebook in the next month or so | 21:27 |
| Lumiere | there's currently a development effort around it | 21:27 |
| ^Migs^ | yes, US based | 21:31 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: how's Utah :) | 21:31 |
| Lumiere | www.careercenter.arlington.k12.va.us writes the cando competency tracking plugin for schooltool... and we're starting our second full year of using it | 21:32 |
| Lumiere | I think we're starting to add other pieces to what we use it for (mostly the gradebook we're working on) | 21:33 |
| ^Migs^ | My day job is as the webmaster for a school district in Utah. I'm trying to keep this charter school from making a huge mistake, because I heard about some of the things they were talking about implementing, and they're just going down the wrong road | 21:33 |
| ^Migs^ | namely, buying all these third party products, using offshore databases for their data warehouse solutions, etc. | 21:34 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: it's difficult to find a CMS that is good | 21:34 |
| ^Migs^ | I'm not looking for a CMS | 21:34 |
| Lumiere | err CMS -> SIS XD | 21:34 |
| ^Migs^ | and I'd sooner build my own, anyway. | 21:34 |
| Lumiere | sorry | 21:34 |
| Lumiere | even a lot of the non-free ones are a mess | 21:34 |
| ^Migs^ | I rather liked what I saw in the Focus SIS, but don't like the fact it's Postegresql based | 21:34 |
| ^Migs^ | We built our own SIS | 21:34 |
| ^Migs^ | we get vendors all the time marketing their SISs, and ours is just so much more awesome | 21:35 |
| Lumiere | cool | 21:35 |
| ^Migs^ | I saw one that came kind of close, but still didn't match our custom SIS | 21:35 |
| Lumiere | SchoolTool is a SIS | 21:35 |
| ^Migs^ | problem is that it's so customized, it's not really marketable | 21:35 |
| ^Migs^ | well, that's not a problem for us, obviously, but I'd like to be able to share what we've done | 21:35 |
| ^Migs^ | yeah | 21:35 |
| Lumiere | well in the end SchoolTool's goal is to be an SIS Framework | 21:35 |
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| Lumiere | to have the basics to do something for people, but to be extendable to what you need | 21:36 |
| ^Migs^ | we use a ton of things in our school district: Moodle and WordPress are the two most popular | 21:36 |
| Lumiere | cool | 21:36 |
| ^Migs^ | what I'd LIKE to do is spend ZERO dollars on software in the school, and pour all the savings into hardware | 21:37 |
| ^Migs^ | interactive blackboards for the classroom, good projectors, etc. All sorts of gadgets. | 21:37 |
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| Lumiere | ^Migs^: shouldn't be too hard with edubuntu | 21:42 |
| ^Migs^ | I just have to convince everyone else it's a good move. :) | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | hehe | 21:43 |
| th1a | ^Migs^: What's your SIS written in? | 21:43 |
| ^Migs^ | I'm more of an open source fanatic than most people, perhaps unrealistically so, so I realize I'm not always correct, but it's gotta be better than what they're trying to do now | 21:43 |
| ^Migs^ | J2EE | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | if you need someone to talk about something like that, I think it is likely that we can find teachers using OSS (including linux) for teaching | 21:44 |
| ^Migs^ | we already have some teachers in our district doing just that | 21:44 |
| ^Migs^ | but they're usually on their own | 21:44 |
| Lumiere | yea | 21:44 |
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| th1a | ^Migs^: So you're a Java developer? | 21:47 |
| Lumiere | hi jelkner | 21:47 |
| ^Migs^ | yeah | 21:47 |
| ^Migs^ | and PHP | 21:47 |
| ^Migs^ | and other things, but mainly those two | 21:47 |
| Lumiere | jelkner has had a lot of success with using Open Source in education | 21:47 |
| ^Migs^ | what have you used, jelkner? | 21:47 |
| ^Migs^ | we have too, actually, in our district, but it's been a slow process | 21:48 |
| th1a | ^Migs^: What's the timeframe for the charter school? | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | before I came here, everything was all proprietary software and crap | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | it's going to be open for business next year | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | frankly, I don't think that's much time | 21:48 |
| th1a | Next fall? | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | especially at the rate they're going | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | no | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | 2008-2009 | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | er | 21:48 |
| th1a | Fall of 2008? | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | yeah, 2008-2009 | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | haha | 21:48 |
| ^Migs^ | it's still technically summer, so that was confusing | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | wait, is it fall? | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | when's fall? | 21:49 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: we've all started classes here | 21:49 |
| th1a | ^Migs^: So your custom system for the district won't work for the charter school? | 21:49 |
| Lumiere | so it's fall to us | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | we have too | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | no no, absolutely not | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | first of all, it's owned by the district, not me, so I can't port it | 21:49 |
| ^Migs^ | second of all, it's based on an IBM AS400 system. A charter school doesn't need that kind of backend. | 21:50 |
| ^Migs^ | And I'm NOT going to install and set up a monstrous thing like that | 21:50 |
| ^Migs^ | the AS400, I mean | 21:50 |
| th1a | ^Migs^: We have a real problem finding interested testing schools that also have access to good local developers. | 21:50 |
| ^Migs^ | the tech staff for the charter school is entirely volunteer based. | 21:50 |
| ^Migs^ | "We" as in SchoolTool? | 21:51 |
| th1a | We are willing in some circumstances to underwrite local development. | 21:51 |
| ^Migs^ | Honestly, I'm not sure yet if SchoolTool is what we want, but I figure it can't hurt to test it out thoroughly first | 21:51 |
| th1a | Well, it is hard to evaluate right now, because we've kind of got a lot of work scattered around several branches. | 21:52 |
| Lumiere | ^Migs^: if you have ubuntu feisty, we're starting to release alphas of our upcoming release | 21:52 |
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| th1a | Does the school have any weird requirements? | 21:52 |
| ^Migs^ | not sure yet | 21:52 |
| ^Migs^ | I imagine there's a few | 21:53 |
| Lumiere | the time tables and courses and sections are very good | 21:53 |
| Lumiere | a basic US style gradebook is coming along ok (jelkner is leading the development of it) | 21:54 |
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| jelkner | Lumiere: is Dave around? | 22:12 |
| jelkner | th1a: Tom, we are supposed to meet at 4 pm, yes? | 22:12 |
| jelkner | phone does not look like it will work for me | 22:13 |
| jelkner | i wonder if we could meet here? | 22:13 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: I don't know | 22:13 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: ahh, your in reston? | 22:14 |
| Lumiere | yes | 22:14 |
| Lumiere | Nortel Herndon | 22:14 |
| jelkner | i meant herndon | 22:14 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: what are we going to do about the gradebook? | 22:15 |
| jelkner | i'm confused by your email | 22:15 |
| jelkner | it is in svn | 22:15 |
| jelkner | that's fine | 22:15 |
| Lumiere | yes | 22:15 |
| jelkner | do brittney and william have the access they need yet? | 22:16 |
| Lumiere | that's up to th1a and jinty | 22:16 |
| jelkner | i need to ask matt to make sure i'm running the latest code | 22:16 |
| jelkner | and to update if not | 22:16 |
| Lumiere | I don't have access to that | 22:16 |
| jelkner | and then i'll start submitting bugs (should that still be launchpad?) | 22:16 |
| Lumiere | yes | 22:17 |
| Lumiere | and it should be to schooltool | 22:17 |
| Lumiere | work with th1a on how to tag them | 22:17 |
| jelkner | gotcha | 22:17 |
| jelkner | th1a: r u here? | 22:17 |
| th1a | jelkner: I'm here. | 23:00 |
| th1a | jelkner: Hey. | 23:06 |
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| dwelsh | jelkner: what # are you at? | 23:07 |
| jelkner | i'm not at a number | 23:10 |
| jelkner | can't w e just meet here? | 23:10 |
| jelkner | i'm in room 104 | 23:10 |
| jelkner | they tell me there is no way to call directly | 23:10 |
| jelkner | if you called x6363 you would get HB, but they would have to transfer you | 23:11 |
| jelkner | dwelsh, th1a, where r u? | 23:14 |
| jelkner | ....Is there anybody Out There? | 23:14 |
| th1a | jelkner: We're on the phone. | 23:15 |
| jelkner | ok | 23:16 |
| th1a | Where can I get the current CanDo svn? | 23:16 |
| jelkner | Lumiere know that best | 23:16 |
| jelkner | s/knows/know | 23:16 |
| jelkner | or aelkner | 23:17 |
| jelkner | he is working on it | 23:17 |
| jelkner | so he must be working on the latest | 23:17 |
| dwelsh | welsh and hoffman are talking | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | the agreement was a phone conversation, not a web chat | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | what's the problem??? | 23:22 |
| jelkner | why not a web chat? | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | too slow, too laborious | 23:23 |
| jelkner | i told you, phone is logistically difficult | 23:23 |
| jelkner | i think it is better | 23:23 |
| jelkner | we get notes automatically | 23:23 |
| jelkner | anyway | 23:23 |
| jelkner | it seems you can't call the room here | 23:23 |
| jelkner | so phone is not an option for me | 23:23 |
| jelkner | unless you give me a number to call | 23:24 |
| jelkner | (and it has to be a local number) | 23:24 |
| jelkner | i would very much like to be part of this discussion | 23:25 |
| jelkner | i could leave the building, and you could call my cell | 23:25 |
| jelkner | (the cell doesn't work inside the building either :-( | 23:26 |
| jelkner | well? | 23:27 |
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| dwelsh | ok. when can I call your cell? | 23:28 |
| jelkner | dwelsh and th1a can reach him @ 240-305-7945 in 5 minutes if they wish... | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | ok. 5 mins. | 23:28 |
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