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Lumiere | hi jinty | 15:59 |
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Lumiere | hi th1a | 16:25 |
th1a | Hi Lumiere. | 16:25 |
ignas | hello eveyone ;) | 16:26 |
ignas | *everyone ;) | 16:26 |
Lumiere | hi ignas | 16:27 |
Lumiere | I'm happy to see ignas | 16:27 |
Lumiere | and jinty | 16:27 |
th1a | Hi ignas. | 16:27 |
Lumiere | (more jinty, but I can't type) | 16:27 |
th1a | jinty: Are you back from vacation? | 16:28 |
Lumiere | he's still in za | 16:28 |
th1a | OK... let's get started. | 16:31 |
th1a | Hi jfroche, aelkner. | 16:31 |
th1a | ignas: Want to start us off? | 16:31 |
ignas | meeting with B.Skūpas tomorrow | 16:31 |
jfroche | good morning | 16:32 |
jfroche | * | 16:32 |
ignas | still working on lyceum gradebook | 16:32 |
ignas | integrating changes from sprints, cleaning up features and stuff. | 16:32 |
ignas | not much else. | 16:32 |
ignas | that's all ;) | 16:33 |
th1a | Thanks, ignas. | 16:34 |
th1a | jfroche? | 16:34 |
jfroche | went to the school last week | 16:34 |
jfroche | no having a sprint on kss | 16:34 |
jfroche | til thursday | 16:34 |
jfroche | and going back to the school on friday | 16:34 |
jfroche | but they are already really busy | 16:34 |
jfroche | so i hope to have a list of teacher to play with | 16:35 |
jfroche | and the new list of children / classes ... for 2007 - 2008 | 16:35 |
jfroche | have things to do with gradebook still | 16:35 |
jfroche | c'est tout | 16:36 |
jfroche | => that's all | 16:36 |
th1a | OK. Just keep nagging them to keep you in the loop. | 16:36 |
th1a | Things are going to get busy here, too, as my wife goes back to work for the first time since Vivian arrived. | 16:37 |
th1a | Also, I think Mark's banker has been on vacation. I need to see where our money is. | 16:38 |
th1a | Send me invoices for August by next Monday though. | 16:38 |
th1a | jinty: ayt? | 16:38 |
th1a | OK, Lumiere, what's up? | 16:39 |
Lumiere | dwelsh is doing a lot of testing and is getting aelkner to do a lot of the updates | 16:41 |
Lumiere | mattva01 should be joining in a minute | 16:41 |
Lumiere | to describe where our packaging is | 16:41 |
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Lumiere | but we need to talk with jinty on where to host them | 16:41 |
mattva01 | yes | 16:41 |
Lumiere | mattva01: give a quick description of what you've done and what you need to do | 16:42 |
mattva01 | I have created eggs of all the zope dependencies that are needed by cando but not provided by schooltool | 16:44 |
mattva01 | I need to host these files in an archive somewhere and create the final cando package | 16:45 |
th1a | You can use our server once jinty can set it up for you. | 16:46 |
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mattva01 | ok | 16:47 |
th1a | Anything else, Lumiere? | 16:49 |
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Lumiere | only if aelkner has something | 16:50 |
Lumiere | we'll be setting up our internal versions this week | 16:50 |
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th1a | Ah, one more thing from me. jfroche & ignas: check to see if any day of the week is better at your school for me to visit the last week of October. | 16:52 |
th1a | I should book my flights. | 16:52 |
ignas | i know, i'll find that out tomorrow when meeting with lyceum | 16:52 |
th1a | Thanks. | 16:52 |
* th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 16:53 | |
th1a | Have a great week folks. | 16:53 |
Lumiere | k | 16:53 |
jinty | hey all, still kinda on vacation, but now I have a reasonable net connection | 16:54 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: I sort of overslept and i woke up about 3 minutes ago | 16:54 |
fsufitch | what did i miss? | 16:54 |
ignas | fsufitch: the meeting | 16:55 |
fsufitch | ignas: thanks >_< | 16:55 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: cando meeting starts in 15-30 | 16:55 |
fsufitch | whew thx | 16:56 |
Lumiere | read scrollback for the schooltool stuff | 16:56 |
fsufitch | that's just enough time to my morming routine | 16:56 |
fsufitch | i'll read it when i come back | 16:56 |
fsufitch | bbs | 16:56 |
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Lumiere | I agree with fsufitch-breakfa food time | 16:57 |
Lumiere | back in 15-20 | 16:57 |
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Lumiere | wb jinty | 17:01 |
jinty | th1a, Lumiere, ignas: apparently it seems one of the big reasons no-one wants to upload our schooltool packages is that we depend on a beta/alpha Zope release | 17:02 |
th1a | Ah. | 17:02 |
ignas | they don't love us :( | 17:02 |
th1a | You mean the main Zope package or the little ones? | 17:03 |
jinty | the main one | 17:03 |
jinty | seems the deadline for that zope release passed a few monts back | 17:03 |
jinty | and it hasn't happened yet | 17:03 |
th1a | And all we can do is squawk to the Zope list about it? | 17:04 |
jinty | basically | 17:04 |
Lumiere | jinty: that should make things interesting | 17:04 |
jinty | probably they'll come back and say "If you want it, this, this and this needs to be donw" | 17:04 |
ignas | jinty: Zopers are planning Zope sprint | 17:05 |
ignas | http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FoliageSprint | 17:05 |
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th1a | Well, at least knowing what the requirements are would help. | 17:05 |
ignas | it might be a nice idea to nicely ask them to make the sprint kind of release related if possible | 17:05 |
ignas | ;) | 17:05 |
th1a | Yes, stephan will be happy to come to our aid. | 17:06 |
th1a | That was sarcastic, btw. | 17:06 |
th1a | Well, who is most likely to get a positive response from the zope-dev list? | 17:08 |
Lumiere | mark shuttleworth? | 17:08 |
th1a | Should I write the email. | 17:08 |
th1a | ? | 17:08 |
aelkner | hey all | 17:08 |
Lumiere | hi aelkner | 17:09 |
fsufitch | hello | 17:09 |
th1a | I don't know if Mark would be best. | 17:09 |
ignas | th1a: you might. | 17:09 |
jinty | th1a, ignas: I think we're already done for | 17:09 |
th1a | He has a kind of weird relationship with the Zope community. | 17:09 |
ignas | jinty: the freeze is today? | 17:09 |
jinty | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 17:09 |
th1a | jinty: I agree we're screwed. | 17:09 |
th1a | This is, by the way, why I insisted we try to get this together for Gutsy... so that if something went wrong, we'd have it ready for Gutsy +1. | 17:10 |
th1a | Which is what I was REALLY worried about. | 17:10 |
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Lumiere | the sad thing is that zope3 is stable | 17:11 |
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jinty | The best we can do is probably build an external repository for this release and have paeople use that | 17:11 |
Lumiere | it just hasn't been given a release | 17:11 |
Lumiere | jinty: and get 0.11.4 removed from gutsy? | 17:11 |
jinty | basically we have that now | 17:11 |
th1a | jinty: That will have to do. | 17:11 |
jinty | Lumiere: packages with newer versions override those with older versions | 17:12 |
Lumiere | jinty: but if someone installs 0.11.4 | 17:12 |
jinty | so I don't see the problem | 17:12 |
Lumiere | and tries to upgrade | 17:12 |
Lumiere | things are going to go boom | 17:12 |
jinty | ah | 17:12 |
jinty | yeah, guess it's probably best to get it removed | 17:13 |
jinty | I'll speak to some people about it | 17:14 |
jinty | th1a: I think the key point is never to depend on unreleased software and assume that people are going to do what they say they're going to | 17:14 |
th1a | So basically we should plan on using this version of Zope 3 for the forseeable future then. | 17:14 |
Lumiere | th1a: we should plan on locking to the next release | 17:15 |
th1a | YEs. | 17:15 |
jinty | Lumiere: +1 | 17:15 |
jinty | as well as for any other dependencies we have | 17:15 |
Lumiere | yes | 17:15 |
Lumiere | then we can branch for a release that's locked | 17:15 |
th1a | Well, the Zope 3 world is slowing down. | 17:15 |
Lumiere | and have trunk separate | 17:15 |
Lumiere | th1a: it's finally getting toward complete | 17:15 |
Lumiere | the problem for the z3 communiy is | 17:16 |
th1a | It would have been painful at times to be staying on, say 3.0 when 3.1 was under development. | 17:16 |
Lumiere | who and how are z3c packages released | 17:16 |
th1a | The problem with the Zope 3 community is they only use Zope 3 for internal products. | 17:16 |
th1a | Except us. | 17:16 |
jinty | th1a: yes, we have different requirements | 17:17 |
Lumiere | LP is external, but I bet it is part of the reason | 17:17 |
Lumiere | why LP source hasn't be released | 17:17 |
th1a | It probably doesn't help. | 17:18 |
jinty | Lumiere: LP doesn't try get it's source distributed in linux distributions | 17:19 |
Lumiere | jinty: that is another wrinkle for us | 17:19 |
aelkner | what is LP? | 17:19 |
Lumiere | LaunchPad | 17:19 |
aelkner | oh | 17:19 |
Lumiere | the only other huge z3 app | 17:19 |
Lumiere | that's really public | 17:19 |
Lumiere | I am going to dial welsh | 17:20 |
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Lumiere | k | 17:21 |
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fsufitch | so in light of these happenings, what do i have to work on? | 17:26 |
aelkner | fsufitch: we could really use your help with gradebook print views | 17:28 |
fsufitch | right | 17:28 |
aelkner | do you feel you know what needs to be done there? | 17:29 |
* Lumiere pulls together some stuff and starts the meeting. | 17:29 | |
Lumiere | so I see aelkner and fsufitch ... | 17:29 |
Lumiere | no pcardune/dwelsh/jelkner... | 17:29 |
Lumiere | reminder that there is a meeting friday sometime | 17:29 |
Lumiere | (details to come) | 17:29 |
fsufitch | ok | 17:29 |
fsufitch | i mustn't oversleep that one XD | 17:30 |
aelkner | jelkner said he may be busy in meetings all day | 17:30 |
Lumiere | the friday meeting is to figure out wtf we're doing for release. | 17:30 |
Lumiere | aelkner: yea | 17:30 |
aelkner | maybe welsh is similarly caught | 17:30 |
Lumiere | it is likely | 17:30 |
aelkner | pcadune may still be asleep | 17:31 |
Lumiere | also likely | 17:31 |
aelkner | it is 3 hours earlier for him | 17:31 |
fsufitch | tru | 17:31 |
fsufitch | so we're stalling or what? | 17:31 |
Lumiere | ok, mattva01's stuff was covered by jinty earlier | 17:31 |
Lumiere | anything else left? | 17:31 |
aelkner | i have two things to do | 17:32 |
aelkner | one, get with welsh | 17:32 |
aelkner | two get with fsufitch to discuss gradebook printing | 17:32 |
fsufitch | right | 17:32 |
Lumiere | 3 get with mattva01 and I to work through the release | 17:32 |
fsufitch | and i'll be able to work more this week | 17:32 |
fsufitch | i was away all last week | 17:33 |
aelkner | fsufitch: cool | 17:33 |
aelkner | Lumiere: ok | 17:33 |
Lumiere | Attorney General just announced his resignation (news conf.) | 17:33 |
fsufitch | that was random... | 17:33 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: not really | 17:33 |
aelkner | yeah, he's been in trouble for some time now | 17:34 |
aelkner | but i'm not sure i care | 17:34 |
fsufitch | lol | 17:34 |
aelkner | Lumiere: shall we make a new branch for fsufitch to do his print views | 17:35 |
Lumiere | I wouldn't for now | 17:35 |
fsufitch | isn't that sort of for newskin though? | 17:35 |
aelkner | no, the views go in the gradebook package | 17:36 |
aelkner | Lumiere: why not? | 17:36 |
fsufitch | o | 17:36 |
Lumiere | aelkner: cause then we have to merge it | 17:36 |
aelkner | and? | 17:36 |
fsufitch | merges are pains? | 17:37 |
Lumiere | aelkner: as long as fsufitch runs tests before committing (and writes tests) | 17:37 |
Lumiere | there shouldn't be any problems | 17:37 |
aelkner | i'm ok with that | 17:37 |
aelkner | and yes merges are a pain | 17:37 |
aelkner | so you hear that fsufitch: test first, and don't commit anything that doesn't pass | 17:38 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: how would you test a printview? | 17:38 |
fsufitch | the only thing that i see testable is the links | 17:38 |
fsufitch | is there a way to test content? | 17:38 |
fsufitch | the silence is disturbing... | 17:40 |
aelkner | fsufitch: i was going to ask Paul about print views | 17:40 |
fsufitch | wasn't everybody? ;) | 17:40 |
aelkner | namely, is a print view just another view | 17:40 |
aelkner | that you just print? | 17:40 |
fsufitch | yes | 17:40 |
fsufitch | i've done one before, but it was really messy | 17:41 |
aelkner | so if that's the case, then you have something to test | 17:41 |
fsufitch | because i just took the gradebook view and removed its links and evthing | 17:41 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: you make a gradebook that has data | 17:41 |
Lumiere | then you test that the view shows the grades correctly | 17:41 |
fsufitch | rite | 17:42 |
aelkner | Lumiere: are there links to sample reports fsufitch could use as a guide? | 17:42 |
Lumiere | I am not sure | 17:42 |
aelkner | there ought to be | 17:42 |
aelkner | dwesh would know | 17:42 |
aelkner | and there are two gradebook print views | 17:43 |
aelkner | one for the section and one for just one student | 17:43 |
fsufitch | rly? | 17:43 |
fsufitch | oh! | 17:43 |
Lumiere | the student one | 17:43 |
fsufitch | i thought it was just for sections | 17:43 |
Lumiere | is the VA score report | 17:43 |
aelkner | right | 17:43 |
fsufitch | isn't that one already done? | 17:43 |
Lumiere | not in the new stuff | 17:44 |
fsufitch | i recall a printview for a student that looked rather official | 17:44 |
aelkner | that's the one | 17:44 |
Lumiere | needs to be redone for the new gradbook | 17:44 |
aelkner | paul overhauled the gradebook, so the print views definitely need to be redone | 17:44 |
fsufitch | i c | 17:45 |
aelkner | fsufitch, i'd start with the student one | 17:45 |
fsufitch | yea, sounds easier ;) | 17:45 |
Lumiere | if you can only get one done this week | 17:45 |
Lumiere | do the section one | 17:45 |
Lumiere | it will be needed earlier | 17:45 |
aelkner | ok, that makes sense | 17:46 |
fsufitch | ok | 17:46 |
aelkner | Lumiere: is there a running instance of cando2006 somewhere for fsufitch to use as a guide to how the print views should look? | 17:47 |
Lumiere | yes | 17:47 |
Lumiere | acc. | 17:47 |
fsufitch | there's the demo onlinen version | 17:47 |
fsufitch | could i use that? | 17:48 |
aelkner | Lumiere: ? | 17:48 |
Lumiere | yes | 17:49 |
Lumiere | acc.candoskills.org | 17:49 |
fsufitch | w00t | 17:49 |
Lumiere | I'll give you information | 17:49 |
fsufitch | uh, what's the manager login? | 17:50 |
fsufitch | wait it works | 17:50 |
fsufitch | nvm | 17:50 |
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Lumiere | hi dwelsh | 17:53 |
aelkner | dwelsh is checking out my latest changes | 17:53 |
Lumiere | k | 17:54 |
aelkner | he only has 15 minutes before he's called back into meetings | 17:54 |
Lumiere | dwelsh: what time periods are you free | 17:54 |
Lumiere | I'm heading to ACC between 11:30 and 12 | 17:54 |
dwelsh | around 12n | 17:55 |
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Lumiere | ok | 17:56 |
Lumiere | I'll be in by then | 17:56 |
dwelsh | newskin.apsweb.org | 17:58 |
fsufitch | um | 18:00 |
fsufitch | dwelsh: the schooltool manager doesn't have any permissions | 18:00 |
fsufitch | i can't see any of the tabs | 18:00 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: yes call 703-228-5735 | 18:01 |
Lumiere | and he'll give you a password to look at stuff | 18:01 |
Lumiere | (or I hope he will) | 18:01 |
fsufitch | can't he just pm me? | 18:02 |
fsufitch | i dont have any phone available rite now | 18:02 |
fsufitch | dwelsh: ? | 18:02 |
dwelsh | lumiere: will need your help to update CanDo | 18:03 |
dwelsh | the routine you gave me is not registering changes | 18:03 |
dwelsh | fsufitch: no permissions??? in what instance? | 18:03 |
fsufitch | newskin.apsweb.org | 18:04 |
aelkner | fsufitch what are you doing with the new instance? | 18:04 |
dwelsh | fsufitch: newskin.apsweb.org is the instance alan and I are working with | 18:04 |
aelkner | you're supposed to be looking at cando2006 | 18:04 |
aelkner | Lumiere: ? | 18:05 |
fsufitch | i c | 18:05 |
fsufitch | ok | 18:05 |
Lumiere | dwelsh: ok | 18:05 |
fsufitch | i was just checking all links <_< | 18:05 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: acc.candoskills.org:7206 for cando2006 | 18:05 |
Lumiere | dwelsh: you log in, get into screen | 18:05 |
Lumiere | hit ctrl-c | 18:05 |
Lumiere | run make update | 18:06 |
Lumiere | then make | 18:06 |
fsufitch | ok... | 18:06 |
fsufitch | but what do u mean log in? | 18:06 |
fsufitch | to where? | 18:06 |
aelkner | Lumiere: he did that | 18:06 |
dwelsh | yes, I did... twice | 18:06 |
dwelsh | changes do not register, for some reason | 18:06 |
Lumiere | dwelsh: instead of make update | 18:06 |
aelkner | but he's not getting my latest changes to the trunk | 18:06 |
Lumiere | run svn up | 18:07 |
aelkner | right | 18:07 |
dwelsh | ok | 18:07 |
dwelsh | will try | 18:07 |
Lumiere | what is the directory you're in | 18:07 |
dwelsh | lumiere: what directory am I in? | 18:07 |
Lumiere | yes | 18:07 |
dwelsh | tilda, backslash, "newskin" | 18:08 |
Lumiere | try hitting ctrl-a 0 | 18:08 |
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Lumiere | newskin is not trunk | 18:08 |
dwelsh | now it's forward slash, "opt", forward slash, "cando" | 18:09 |
dwelsh | "/opt/cando" | 18:10 |
dwelsh | lumiere: can you get here at noon? | 18:11 |
dwelsh | I'm available 12n - 1:50p | 18:11 |
Lumiere | yes | 18:12 |
Lumiere | that's the one | 18:12 |
dwelsh | great. there's lunch here too | 18:12 |
Lumiere | k | 18:12 |
Lumiere | try the ctrl-c, make update, make, ./start-cando.py there | 18:12 |
Lumiere | to shower/work | 18:20 |
Lumiere | bb at noonish | 18:20 |
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jelkner | aelkner: yo bro, u here? | 18:22 |
aelkner | i am indeed | 18:22 |
jelkner | sorry i missed the meeting this morning | 18:22 |
jelkner | i was at our staff meeting | 18:23 |
jelkner | in fact, i have meetings all week until friday | 18:23 |
jelkner | ugh! | 18:23 |
jelkner | what did i miss? | 18:23 |
aelkner | dave wasn't there either | 18:23 |
jelkner | mattva01 is mowing the lawn, then he is coming in | 18:23 |
jelkner | we need a plan to get my instance up and runnig | 18:24 |
aelkner | jason discussed packaging with jinty | 18:24 |
jelkner | s/running/runnig | 18:24 |
jelkner | great | 18:24 |
jelkner | that will be good for cando07 | 18:24 |
aelkner | filip will be working on the gradebook print views | 18:24 |
jelkner | but since i'm running semistable... | 18:24 |
jelkner | super | 18:24 |
aelkner | you want to use the trunk? | 18:25 |
aelkner | jelkner: do me a favor and be very carefule with your Data.fs file | 18:25 |
jelkner | are we saying that cando07 is a branch at this point, since it was released? | 18:25 |
jelkner | i'll back it up before *all* updates | 18:25 |
aelkner | i only know about the trunk at this point | 18:26 |
jelkner | Lumiere: u here? | 18:26 |
jelkner | both mattva01 and Lumiere are in the channel, but not here | 18:26 |
jelkner | since i need to get to work setting up my classroom, i guess the best thing to do is send out an email and wait for matt... | 18:27 |
jelkner | aelkner: ok, bro, i meet with dwelsh at 5:30 pm today | 18:27 |
aelkner | ok | 18:28 |
jelkner | i'll talk to you tomorrow if not sooner... | 18:28 |
aelkner | Lumiere: ayt? | 18:36 |
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fsufitch | aelkner: (11:20:06) Lumiere: bb at noonish | 18:37 |
dwelsh | aelkner: welsh and straw are in | 19:32 |
fsufitch | how do i run ftests on just ONE module? | 19:39 |
aelkner | dwelsh: you can call me now | 19:40 |
Lumiere | am now | 19:41 |
aelkner | fsufitch: from the trunk dir, run python2.4 test.py -1fm cando.gradebook | 19:42 |
fsufitch | ok | 19:42 |
Lumiere | jelkner: simply put, we're not semi-stable yet | 19:42 |
aelkner | btw make ftest foes the same but specifies just cando as the package | 19:43 |
aelkner | does | 19:43 |
aelkner | that in turn causes all the subpackages t be tested | 19:43 |
fsufitch | ok | 19:43 |
aelkner | Lumiere: are you having dialing issues? | 19:45 |
Lumiere | aelkner: we're talking to lee capps | 19:45 |
aelkner | i want to be involved in that converstation | 19:46 |
aelkner | can't you conference me in? | 19:46 |
aelkner | Lumiere: ? | 19:46 |
aelkner | dwelsh? | 19:47 |
Lumiere | he's going to send us xml | 19:49 |
Lumiere | and we're getting him the schema | 19:49 |
aelkner | but the schema might not be right | 19:49 |
aelkner | you might want to consult with me | 19:49 |
Lumiere | I am looking it over now | 19:50 |
Lumiere | the schema for comp lists haven't changed | 19:50 |
aelkner | i looked it over, and it doesn't seem right to me | 19:50 |
aelkner | what the hell is Person ther for | 19:50 |
Lumiere | which part | 19:50 |
Lumiere | person is removed | 19:50 |
aelkner | that has nothing to do with comps | 19:50 |
aelkner | oh | 19:50 |
aelkner | if you don't want to involve me then i'm going to assume that you wil handle it | 19:51 |
Lumiere | I am handling it, unless something has changed in xml comp io | 19:52 |
Lumiere | that changed the schema | 19:52 |
Lumiere | I'm going to update it with the new format for the global-ids | 19:52 |
Lumiere | dwelsh: calling you now | 19:52 |
aelkner | good | 19:52 |
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fsufitch | how do i specify the grading scale on the score report if each competency theoretically has its own grading scale | 20:20 |
fsufitch | ? | 20:20 |
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fsufitch | Lumiere: did u get my question? | 20:22 |
fsufitch | ... | 20:26 |
fsufitch | i assume not | 20:26 |
fsufitch | i g2g lunch | 20:40 |
fsufitch | bbs | 20:40 |
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Lumiere | aelkner: the part paul needs to check | 21:00 |
Lumiere | is the global id stuff | 21:00 |
fsufitch | where _is_ paul? | 21:01 |
Lumiere | at school probably | 21:01 |
fsufitch | school? | 21:02 |
Lumiere | uni | 21:02 |
fsufitch | oh | 21:04 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: can i have dwelsh's Data.fs? | 21:08 |
fsufitch | mine is sort of outdated and giving me issues | 21:08 |
fsufitch | and i dont want to spend my time making a new one | 21:08 |
Lumiere | fsufitch: yes | 21:09 |
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fsufitch | Lumiere: well? | 21:31 |
Lumiere | *answered* | 21:34 |
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Lumiere | mattva01: can you keep talking with jinty about packaging | 22:09 |
jinty | mattva01: ? | 22:10 |
fsufitch | Lumiere: how should the competency groups inside of other competency groups be represented on the score report? | 22:18 |
fsufitch | i can't exactly do indentation | 22:19 |
fsufitch | buuut as long as i'm rewriting the way it's currently made, i might as well do that | 22:20 |
fsufitch | Lumiere, dwelsh, you're the ones whose opinions i need | 22:20 |
fsufitch | XP ftw | 22:20 |
fsufitch | well, i guess i'll just take a break until someone answers >_> | 22:22 |
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