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| alvsquez | aelkner: yo bro, u here? | 05:23 |
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| alvsquez | th1a: tom, how about you? | 05:24 |
| alvsquez | Lumiere: jason? | 05:24 |
| alvsquez | i met a university student very interested in free software | 05:25 |
| alvsquez | his name is jose, and it is he whom i am impersonating presently | 05:25 |
| alvsquez | i was hoping to show him how xchat works | 05:25 |
| alvsquez | but it would kinda require someone to talk back to us ;-) | 05:26 |
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| Lumiere | who was that | 05:45 |
| Lumiere | oh | 05:45 |
| Lumiere | jelkner | 05:45 |
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| jelkner | pcardune: good morning | 19:40 |
| pcardune | jelkner: morning | 19:40 |
| jelkner | it is afternoon on the east coast, but 10:40 am here in el salvador | 19:40 |
| Lumiere | sorry about last ngiht | 19:43 |
| Lumiere | I was playing video games with my girlfriend | 19:43 |
| pcardune | ? | 19:45 |
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| sudinf | aelkner: hi | 19:53 |
| sudinf | aelkner: I didn't get any reply fron Jeff | 19:54 |
| sudinf | aelkner: I sent him a mail yesterday at the mail address that you had provided | 19:54 |
| pcardune | sudinf: he is here now, jelkner: ping | 19:54 |
| jelkner | sudinf: which email did you use? | 19:57 |
| jelkner | i didn't see it | 19:57 |
| jelkner | jeff@elkner.net is best | 19:57 |
| jelkner | please resend if you used that one | 19:57 |
| jelkner | i get *a lot* of spam | 19:58 |
| jelkner | and in my eagerness to delete it i sometimes miss legitimate emails | 19:58 |
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| sudinf | jelkner: I am back | 21:01 |
| jelkner | hi | 21:02 |
| sudinf | jelkner: hi | 21:02 |
| jelkner | i hear you were looking for me | 21:02 |
| jelkner | i need to go now | 21:02 |
| sudinf | oh | 21:03 |
| jelkner | but could you please resend the email to jeff@elkner.net ? | 21:03 |
| sudinf | ok I will send the mail | 21:03 |
| jelkner | i didn't see it | 21:03 |
| sudinf | sure | 21:03 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 21:03 |
| jelkner | if you send it now, i'll wait to confirm that i receive it | 21:03 |
| sudinf | sure | 21:03 |
| sudinf | 1 second please | 21:03 |
| sudinf | its a slow connection | 21:05 |
| sudinf | :( | 21:05 |
| sudinf | any ways I wanted to work on Doctestquiz | 21:05 |
| sudinf | jelkner: ping | 21:06 |
| sudinf | jelkner: I have sent the mail please check it | 21:07 |
| sudinf | jelkner: thank you | 21:07 |
| fsufitch | pcardune, i'm done with what i was doing | 21:13 |
| fsufitch | and Lumiere, i do realize this is "opening my big mouth" | 21:14 |
| fsufitch | actually h/o a bit, i have to restart my linux session | 21:14 |
| fsufitch | this one's too cluttered <_< | 21:14 |
| pcardune | ok | 21:14 |
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| fsufitch_gaim | ok, i'm back | 21:17 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i'm gonna try to see if gaim really fails that much at irc | 21:18 |
| Lumiere | it does somewhat | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | but for just chatting | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | it is fine | 21:19 |
| fsufitch_gaim | meh | 21:19 |
| fsufitch_gaim | anyway, wasup? | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | nothing | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | just pissing the day away with my girlfriend | 21:20 |
| fsufitch_gaim | lol | 21:20 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: you sound so resentful | 21:20 |
| fsufitch_gaim | no <_< | 21:20 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: so, you know that actions menu that you put up? | 21:20 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeah | 21:21 |
| fsufitch_gaim | what about it? | 21:21 |
| pcardune | well, it needs some help | 21:21 |
| fsufitch_gaim | oh dear | 21:21 |
| pcardune | I'm trying to look in the code where it is defined | 21:21 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeah? | 21:22 |
| pcardune | ah yes, actionsbar.pt | 21:22 |
| pcardune | so, that little bit of javascript should not go there | 21:22 |
| fsufitch_gaim | in cando.js? | 21:22 |
| fsufitch_gaim | or not at all? | 21:23 |
| pcardune | cando.js | 21:23 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ok good | 21:23 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i'll do that right now | 21:23 |
| fsufitch_gaim | also, i'm working on the help registrations | 21:23 |
| fsufitch_gaim | they were all screwy | 21:23 |
| pcardune | and you should put in a condition to see if there is anything to display | 21:23 |
| pcardune | if there is something to display in the actions menu, then display it, otherwise, there should be *nothing* there | 21:23 |
| pcardune | not an empty menu | 21:23 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: I am unhappy with stuff that happened earlier today | 21:24 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: did you lose some epic online battle? | 21:24 |
| fsufitch_gaim | pcardune: i'll do that too | 21:24 |
| fsufitch_gaim | Lumiere: what happened earlier today? | 21:26 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: it was an epic online battle, you shouldn't press him about it | 21:26 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ok >_> | 21:26 |
| fsufitch_gaim | btw, i won the epic battle with KDE | 21:27 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i.e. i got it to work with compiz | 21:27 |
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| pcardune | it's like if the koreans lost at star craft against... I dunno, some poor nation where few people have computers and no one plays star craft | 21:27 |
| pcardune | (i hear the koreans are the world champion star craft enthusiasts | 21:27 |
| fsufitch_gaim | romania? | 21:28 |
| fsufitch_gaim | oh they are | 21:28 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it's one of their national sports, from what i know | 21:28 |
| fsufitch_gaim | from eldar that is | 21:28 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ok, so i moved the javascript and made the menu hide if there's nothing to show | 21:29 |
| pcardune | is the "hiding" in javascript? or tal conditions? | 21:30 |
| fsufitch_gaim | tal | 21:30 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i just did a tal:condition="actions" | 21:30 |
| pcardune | ok, so then it doesn't "hide" but rather, doesn't exist right? | 21:30 |
| pcardune | ok | 21:30 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeah | 21:30 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: then you should also fix the css for that, so it fits in nicely with those other bottom tabs | 21:31 |
| fsufitch_gaim | the options ones? | 21:31 |
| pcardune | yeah | 21:31 |
| fsufitch_gaim | well, what color should i make it? | 21:31 |
| pcardune | they should also be moved down so as not to overlap into that longer bar | 21:31 |
| pcardune | the same color | 21:32 |
| pcardune | as the options | 21:32 |
| pcardune | btw, i think we are calling them "sub tabs" now | 21:32 |
| fsufitch_gaim | but then it looks clickable, not dropdown-able | 21:32 |
| fsufitch_gaim | but they still have id="option" | 21:32 |
| fsufitch_gaim | so i call them options :-P | 21:32 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: well, make it look dropdownable by sticking a little arrow next to it | 21:33 |
| fsufitch_gaim | oh ok | 21:33 |
| fsufitch_gaim | also, why is it a problem that they overlap a little? | 21:33 |
| fsufitch_gaim | since the color is the same, there shouldnt be any trouble... | 21:34 |
| pcardune | because the borders overlap there and it looks weird | 21:34 |
| pcardune | you should make them look like "tabs" | 21:34 |
| pcardune | like folder tabs | 21:34 |
| pcardune | you could even add in some -moz-border-radius css attributes to make it extra slick for those who are inclined to use firefox/mozilla | 21:34 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ;) and a www.getfirefox.com link for those who arent? | 21:35 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: no | 21:37 |
| pcardune | just no rounded tabby corners | 21:37 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i was kidding! | 21:38 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i wouldn't do that <_< | 21:38 |
| fsufitch_gaim | unless it's on my website | 21:38 |
| fsufitch_gaim | how do u use those borders? | 21:38 |
| pcardune | the same way you use the borders: thing | 21:40 |
| pcardune | except you give it a radius | 21:40 |
| pcardune | in pixels | 21:40 |
| pcardune | like, 10 | 21:40 |
| pcardune | -moz-border-radius: 10px 0px 0px 10px | 21:41 |
| pcardune | I can't remember the order | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | interesting... | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i'll figure it out ;) | 21:41 |
| pcardune | and in firefox3 they are antialiased | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | cool! | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i gotta get that!! | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | do you know if i can apt-get it? | 21:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ffx 3, that is | 21:42 |
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| fsufitch_gaim | whoa cool the borders look awesome | 21:55 |
| fsufitch_gaim | pcardune, btw, the order starts from upper left going clockwise | 21:55 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: cando.js would be better | 22:00 |
| Lumiere | if it were static | 22:00 |
| Lumiere | and you loaded smaller non-static js files as needed | 22:00 |
| fsufitch_gaim | Lumiere: my actionsmenu javascript is the only javascript in cando.js | 22:01 |
| pcardune | cando.js is static | 22:01 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: and the browser caches files like that | 22:02 |
| pcardune | so it is ok if they are referenced on every page | 22:02 |
| Lumiere | ah | 22:06 |
| aelkner | fsufitch_gaim: i saw you made a change to hide the actions menu | 22:08 |
| fsufitch_gaim | what do you mean? | 22:09 |
| fsufitch_gaim | oh that | 22:09 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yea | 22:09 |
| fsufitch_gaim | but, as pcardune says | 22:09 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it's not hide, it's not exist | 22:09 |
| aelkner | that's for hiding the dropdown, right, not the menu itself | 22:09 |
| aelkner | i see the mouseover and all | 22:09 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeap | 22:10 |
| aelkner | but there is the issue of whether the menu should appear at all in certain contexts | 22:10 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it doesn't appear when there's nothing to show | 22:10 |
| fsufitch_gaim | that was my change | 22:10 |
| pcardune | that is the first step | 22:10 |
| aelkner | i don't see how your change would do that | 22:10 |
| fsufitch_gaim | what, the tal:condition="actions"? | 22:11 |
| fsufitch_gaim | if there are no actions to show, don't show anything | 22:11 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it should make sense <_< | 22:11 |
| aelkner | ooh | 22:11 |
| fsufitch_gaim | and there are only actions when actions are necessary | 22:11 |
| aelkner | well, check out what happens when you go to Sections, then pick a section, then hit the enrollment tab | 22:12 |
| aelkner | there's an actions menu there that doesn't make sense | 22:12 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i see | 22:13 |
| fsufitch_gaim | that's one of the ongoing battles between template.pt and view_macros.pt | 22:13 |
| fsufitch_gaim | because template.pt runs through some cando viewclass, the viewclass suppresses any actions because it knows they shouldnt be there | 22:14 |
| fsufitch_gaim | view_macros functions just like schooltool | 22:14 |
| fsufitch_gaim | AND, the context is a section | 22:14 |
| fsufitch_gaim | so it gives the menu for a section | 22:14 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it doesnt matter what view you're using (index.html or in this case learners.html) | 22:14 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it's always the same menu | 22:14 |
| aelkner | yeah, using the context is definitely not enough in this case | 22:15 |
| aelkner | i'm having the same problem with rendering the submenu | 22:15 |
| aelkner | so the answer is to look at the whole traversal to figure out what needs to be rendered | 22:15 |
| aelkner | could you get pcardune's guidance on how to do that while i work on the submenu | 22:16 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ggh, sure | 22:16 |
| fsufitch_gaim | pcardune? | 22:16 |
| pcardune | hmm | 22:16 |
| pcardune | well, what does need to be rendered? | 22:17 |
| pcardune | what is the problem with what it currently renders | 22:17 |
| * pcardune goes to start up an instance with updated code | 22:17 | |
| fsufitch_gaim | it gives the sections action menu while you're in the enrollment subtab | 22:18 |
| pcardune | and why is this a problem? | 22:18 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: ? | 22:20 |
| aelkner | pcardune: follow the path i suggest and tell me that that menu makes sense? | 22:20 |
| aelkner | no ? intended | 22:20 |
| fsufitch_gaim | aelkner said it was a problem, not me | 22:21 |
| aelkner | guys, just look at that menu | 22:22 |
| aelkner | tell me it makes sense to have a menu choice, "Add/Remove Members," when you're already doing that | 22:23 |
| aelkner | besides, that menu is for the admin interface, not the teacher interface | 22:23 |
| aelkner | that was the whole purpose of the new skin | 22:23 |
| aelkner | to keep teachers away from the admin interface | 22:23 |
| aelkner | unless they click on the schooltool button | 22:24 |
| aelkner | then it's at their own risk | 22:24 |
| aelkner | and they can't complain about how confusing the interface is like they all seemed to do last year | 22:24 |
| pcardune | ok, so this is good | 22:24 |
| aelkner | what is good? | 22:24 |
| pcardune | we've established that doing crazy things with traversal is besides the point of the problem | 22:24 |
| pcardune | the problem is that the actions menu is showing up at all period | 22:25 |
| pcardune | and that is a much easier problem to fix | 22:25 |
| pcardune | namely, removing it alltogether | 22:25 |
| aelkner | we're supposed to have a new skin actions menu | 22:25 |
| aelkner | that would only have actions relevent to the current view | 22:25 |
| pcardune | aelkner: can you give me an example of said actions? | 22:26 |
| aelkner | so if someone is on the enrollment subtab, there are no actions | 22:26 |
| aelkner | but | 22:26 |
| aelkner | if someone is editing competencies | 22:26 |
| aelkner | then there is lots of use for an actions menu | 22:26 |
| aelkner | we have to devide our thinking | 22:26 |
| pcardune | right | 22:26 |
| fsufitch_gaim | for now, we're using the schooltool actions menu | 22:26 |
| aelkner | and think of the new skin for what teachers can do only | 22:26 |
| aelkner | and they CAN edit competencies | 22:27 |
| fsufitch_gaim | and in its code, and i read it, there is some comment that says | 22:27 |
| aelkner | at last for their own section or course | 22:27 |
| fsufitch_gaim | display action menus in all views of the same context | 22:27 |
| aelkner | we can create our own | 22:27 |
| fsufitch_gaim | do we have time? | 22:27 |
| aelkner | we have to | 22:27 |
| pcardune | aelkner: so what I'm thinking is, do we really need to have a menu that is sensitive to specific views? | 22:28 |
| pcardune | or can we stick the context based menus | 22:28 |
| aelkner | i would think so | 22:28 |
| aelkner | the idea is | 22:28 |
| pcardune | I think we have established that we need a separate menu | 22:28 |
| aelkner | the menu gets you from where you are to where you might want to go | 22:28 |
| aelkner | one mement | 22:28 |
| aelkner | there are three menus | 22:28 |
| aelkner | top menu | 22:28 |
| aelkner | always there | 22:28 |
| aelkner | sub menu | 22:29 |
| fsufitch_gaim | you're forgetting about breadcrumb menu | 22:29 |
| aelkner | depends on the choice of top meno | 22:29 |
| fsufitch_gaim | 4 menus ;) | 22:29 |
| aelkner | ok, but forget breadcrumbs for nbow | 22:29 |
| aelkner | third menu | 22:29 |
| aelkner | when we are in a view that's complex like competencies | 22:29 |
| * pcardune thinks about going to lunch after this discussion | 22:29 | |
| aelkner | there is no subtab menu that would work | 22:29 |
| pcardune | aelkner: but are we in a view or a context | 22:30 |
| aelkner | so we need an actions menu | 22:30 |
| aelkner | i think that it's the view that should drive things | 22:30 |
| aelkner | in general it's where you are | 22:30 |
| aelkner | the url is a combo of context and view | 22:30 |
| pcardune | ok, lets look at an example: competencies | 22:30 |
| aelkner | so really the logic needs to take both into effect | 22:31 |
| pcardune | there are two views for just viewing competencies | 22:31 |
| pcardune | 1. the classic flat view | 22:31 |
| pcardune | 2. the newer tree view | 22:31 |
| aelkner | ok | 22:31 |
| pcardune | for both of these views, we want the menu actions "edit" "and new competency" "and new comeptency group" | 22:31 |
| aelkner | right | 22:31 |
| pcardune | because those menu items really have to do with the fact that we are looking at the list of competencies | 22:31 |
| aelkner | good | 22:32 |
| pcardune | not which view we are using to look at that list | 22:32 |
| aelkner | true | 22:32 |
| pcardune | so, we could register menu items for specific views | 22:32 |
| pcardune | but I think we would end up doing a lot of duplicate registrations | 22:32 |
| aelkner | what about the idea that you brought up last night | 22:32 |
| aelkner | namely | 22:32 |
| aelkner | for my submenu | 22:32 |
| aelkner | i would register for * | 22:33 |
| fsufitch_gaim | wouldn't it be nicer to make the view registrations override any context registrations for the menu? | 22:33 |
| aelkner | and use logic to know when to render | 22:33 |
| aelkner | looking at the url | 22:33 |
| aelkner | or inother words traversing the context | 22:33 |
| pcardune | well, things should *never* look at the url, because that is really brittle | 22:33 |
| aelkner | but the context is not enough | 22:34 |
| aelkner | we have all of these views on section for instance | 22:34 |
| aelkner | but | 22:34 |
| aelkner | we need to render the right submenu/actions menu | 22:34 |
| aelkner | depending on the view we're in | 22:34 |
| aelkner | but not just the view | 22:34 |
| aelkner | but what tab we're in | 22:35 |
| pcardune | so basically, we need to not use the schooltool_actions menu, have a veiwlet manager for displaying the menu items, and register viewlets instead of menu items | 22:35 |
| aelkner | are you just talking the actions menu for now? | 22:36 |
| pcardune | yeah | 22:36 |
| aelkner | ok, so that sounds good | 22:36 |
| pcardune | in fact, this is how the schooltool actions menu already works, except it does both the schooltool_actions menu (a zope menu) and viewlets | 22:36 |
| aelkner | and we don't need to use schooltool_actions, right? | 22:37 |
| pcardune | right | 22:37 |
| aelkner | can you and filip work on this? | 22:37 |
| pcardune | in fact, we should use z3c.menu in any way we can, as that already does viewlets | 22:37 |
| pcardune | yeah | 22:37 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: are you game? | 22:37 |
| fsufitch_gaim | uh | 22:37 |
| pcardune | fsufitch_gaim: I'll help you | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ok :) | 22:38 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i sorta got lost a bit earlier on... | 22:38 |
| pcardune | ok, *discussion over*, I'm going to lunch, in the mean time fsufitch_gaim, you should look at schooltool.skin... specifically what I believe is called the ActionsBar and all related registrations and page templates | 22:39 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i'm also trying to work on the help system at the same time | 22:39 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ook | 22:39 |
| pcardune | I'll be back in a little bit | 22:39 |
| fsufitch_gaim | kk | 22:39 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ttyl | 22:39 |
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| aelkner | fsufitch_gaim: could you drop the help system for now? | 22:40 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i will, i guess >_> | 22:40 |
| aelkner | i mean, it would be better if you could focus hard on this problem | 22:40 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeah | 22:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i figured out how to fix the help btw | 22:41 |
| aelkner | it's a doosey, and one that you will learn much from | 22:41 |
| aelkner | oh | 22:41 |
| aelkner | how? | 22:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | the registrations were screwy | 22:41 |
| aelkner | nice | 22:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it has to be registered for the context | 22:41 |
| fsufitch_gaim | and for the view | 22:41 |
| aelkner | interesting | 22:41 |
| aelkner | sounds similar to the discussion we were just having | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | currently they were all to IGroupContainer and index.html | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | not rly... | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i just needed to find ISectionContainer and go.html | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | it's about the same things as the discussion | 22:42 |
| aelkner | ok, well, i'd ask you to shelve that for now in the interest in getting menus to work | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | except the help button doesn't have dynamic contents | 22:42 |
| fsufitch_gaim | yeap, ok | 22:42 |
| aelkner | ok, so you'll poke around and learn, and when paul returns he can answer any of your questions | 22:43 |
| aelkner | i need to focus on the submenus | 22:43 |
| fsufitch_gaim | ok | 22:44 |
| fsufitch_gaim | aelkner: do an svn up | 22:47 |
| aelkner | ok | 22:47 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i made some css changes so that it's more purty in firefox | 22:47 |
| aelkner | nice! | 22:49 |
| fsufitch_gaim | thanx | 22:49 |
| aelkner | i like the rounded edges on the submenu especially | 22:49 |
| fsufitch_gaim | pcardune's idea | 22:49 |
| aelkner | it helps the eye realize that there is a top menu AND a submenu | 22:50 |
| fsufitch_gaim | i thought it might affect ur work ;) | 22:50 |
| aelkner | actually, there were no conflicts, but thanks | 22:50 |
| fsufitch_gaim | btw, do you know somebody i could wail on because all of the schooltool source files are executable? | 22:50 |
| fsufitch_gaim | actually, i should ask Lumiere | 22:51 |
| fsufitch_gaim | Lumiere: ? | 22:51 |
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| aelkner | hey bnguyen! | 22:59 |
| bnguyen | aelkner: hey | 22:59 |
| aelkner | how's your summer going? | 23:00 |
| bnguyen | pretty fun | 23:00 |
| bnguyen | how about yours? | 23:00 |
| aelkner | i'm real busy with cando, but i like it | 23:00 |
| aelkner | whatcha working on? | 23:01 |
| bnguyen | currently nothing | 23:01 |
| bnguyen | but i might start working on the gradebook | 23:01 |
| aelkner | really? in what area? | 23:01 |
| aelkner | help? | 23:02 |
| aelkner | tests? | 23:02 |
| bnguyen | it needs to have terms added to it | 23:02 |
| aelkner | pcardune has done much work on the gradebook lately | 23:02 |
| bnguyen | i heard he doesn't want to work on it anymore | 23:02 |
| fsufitch_gaim | wouldn't it be a better idea for you to work on help files? | 23:03 |
| aelkner | on the phone | 23:04 |
| bnguyen | well, jelkner wants/needs it to have support for terms so that he can continue to use it | 23:06 |
| fsufitch_gaim | true | 23:07 |
| bnguyen | lunch time | 23:07 |
| bnguyen | bye everyone | 23:07 |
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| Lumiere | what's up | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch_gaim: can you drop the _gaim | 23:11 |
| Lumiere | ;) | 23:11 |
| fsufitch_gaim | fine! | 23:11 |
| *** fsufitch_gaim is now known as fsufitch | 23:12 | |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: lots is up | 23:12 |
| fsufitch | aelkner and pcardune had a chat about the actions menu, if u read the backlog | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | I saw | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | and i sorta ended up with the short end of the stick | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | <_< | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | meh | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | I am fine however it ends | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | *sharpens short end of stick for easier insertion | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | ay! | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | that's bad! | 23:13 |
| fsufitch | -.- | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | if pcardune and aelkner concur | 23:13 |
| Lumiere | and give it to you | 23:14 |
| Lumiere | I am not overriding that | 23:14 |
| fsufitch | i wasnt asking u to | 23:14 |
| fsufitch | wtf, i'm still fsufitch_gaim? | 23:14 |
| fsufitch | h/o | 23:14 |
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| fsufitch | bah, stupid local alias | 23:16 |
| fsufitch | apparently i was fsufitch, but was seeing myself as fsufitch_gaim | 23:17 |
| fsufitch | hey, a reason to hate gaim :O | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | lol yep | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | pidgin's irc support isn't that great | 23:17 |
| Lumiere | but... it wasn't ever meant to replace irssi or xchat | 23:17 |
| fsufitch | this ain't pidgin | 23:17 |
| fsufitch | it's gaim 2.0.0.1 | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | eww | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | upgraaaade | 23:18 |
| fsufitch | naaah | 23:18 |
| fsufitch | as long as they don't have a deb repository | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | oh | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | you're on ubuntu | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | right | 23:18 |
| fsufitch | ... | 23:18 |
| fsufitch | and you're on...? | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | I source compiled it | 23:18 |
| Lumiere | but... on debian unstable | 23:18 |
| fsufitch | i could source compile it | 23:19 |
| fsufitch | i'm too lazy | 23:19 |
| Lumiere | it's upgraded | 23:19 |
| fsufitch | i source compiled other things | 23:19 |
| fsufitch | pidgin is on gutsy | 23:19 |
| Lumiere | yes | 23:19 |
| fsufitch | but that's ubuntu_unstable theoretically | 23:19 |
| Lumiere | nah | 23:20 |
| Lumiere | debian unstable | 23:20 |
| fsufitch | we/ | 23:21 |
| Lumiere | is like ubuntu tribe 6 | 23:21 |
| fsufitch | *w/e | 23:21 |
| Lumiere | all the time | 23:21 |
| fsufitch | ubuntu what? | 23:21 |
| Lumiere | late betas | 23:22 |
| fsufitch | i c | 23:24 |
| fsufitch | what's with the "simple installation" instructions for cando? | 23:26 |
| fsufitch | the last change by Bao says Coming soon in August | 23:26 |
| fsufitch | http://www.schooltool.org/st-products/cando/installation-1/simple-installation | 23:26 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere: is there any good reason for all the source files in the schooltool egg to be executable? | 23:28 |
| Lumiere | no idea | 23:32 |
| Lumiere | I'll put kill on my list | 23:33 |
| fsufitch | kill? | 23:33 |
| Lumiere | I'll just kill the file | 23:33 |
| fsufitch | um | 23:34 |
| fsufitch | what file are you talking about? | 23:34 |
| fsufitch | the install thing? | 23:34 |
| fsufitch | cuz killing the schooltool egg would be bad | 23:34 |
| fsufitch | and bad = worse than me svn removing template.pt | 23:35 |
| Lumiere | the install thing | 23:35 |
| Lumiere | I can't touch theeggs | 23:35 |
| fsufitch | ok good | 23:35 |
| Lumiere | how does that look | 23:42 |
| fsufitch | perfect | 23:42 |
| fsufitch | i expected something like "FOUR OH FOUR!" | 23:43 |
| Lumiere | I think that is better | 23:43 |
| fsufitch | ditto | 23:43 |
| fsufitch | heh | 23:43 |
| fsufitch | simple installation? NOT FOUND! | 23:43 |
| Lumiere | eh | 23:45 |
| Lumiere | oh | 23:45 |
| Lumiere | I renamed the folder | 23:45 |
| fsufitch | ok... | 23:45 |
| fsufitch | >_< | 23:46 |
| fsufitch | fine | 23:46 |
| Lumiere | installation-1 | 23:46 |
| fsufitch | i wish pcardune would come back | 23:46 |
| Lumiere | is a really shitty name | 23:46 |
| fsufitch | yea | 23:46 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: when could you, Dave, and myself have a phone consult to discuss the user-centric view of our new skin? | 23:55 |
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