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| pcardune | aelkner: hey alan, I just ran the full test suite on trunk on my machine and I get the same result that buildbot does... 1 failure in a cando.journal doctest | 02:02 |
| pcardune | but now I just did an update, and there is a change, so I'll rerun the suite | 02:02 |
| aelkner | pcardune: yeah, i fixed the journal doctest, so you it should run ok now. | 02:40 |
| pcardune | I saw that, yay! now we have a happy buildbot :) | 02:40 |
| aelkner | except for cando-coverage which I will get with Jason to fix | 02:40 |
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| aelkner | pcardune: btw, i was looking at course-chooser-go.pt and related view class, and i can see that it would only work for teachers. | 02:41 |
| aelkner | is this stephan's work? | 02:42 |
| pcardune | I don't think so | 02:42 |
| aelkner | who then | 02:42 |
| aelkner | it has traversal plugins and the lot | 02:42 |
| pcardune | aelkner: well, I created course-chooser-go.pt as a refactor of 3 other classes that looked exactly like that | 02:42 |
| pcardune | oh, let me check that out again then | 02:43 |
| aelkner | pcardune: i don't like the isTeacher contition in the page template | 02:43 |
| aelkner | i think the filter should work by who the proinciapl is | 02:43 |
| aelkner | isTeacher could still be used by courses() | 02:44 |
| aelkner | to determine filtering | 02:44 |
| aelkner | isNeither() would be helpfuil | 02:44 |
| pcardune | well, filtering is based in group... and checking for group by principal is very fragile | 02:44 |
| pcardune | based on* | 02:44 |
| pcardune | because principal store groups, but only as a string. And if that group string changes, then filters stop working | 02:45 |
| pcardune | but how would you propose to do it with the principal? | 02:45 |
| aelkner | well the view class already looks in the crowd to determine group membership | 02:46 |
| aelkner | see isTeacher | 02:46 |
| aelkner | i just thought i'd use that logic to determine who the principal is and filter accordingly | 02:47 |
| aelkner | right now the filter is only called if the principal is a teacher | 02:48 |
| aelkner | also, the filter only returns sections related to the user | 02:48 |
| aelkner | i'm not sure that's how dwelsh and jstraw would want it | 02:48 |
| aelkner | i mean, don't we want the authenticated, groupless, user to see all sections to view (only) comps? | 02:49 |
| pcardune | wait, i don't understand the very last thing you said, view (only) comps? | 02:49 |
| aelkner | pcardune: bottom line is i can handle this stuff tomorrow after i've spoken with jason about how they want it | 02:50 |
| aelkner | wait | 02:50 |
| aelkner | my guess (only a guess) is that new users who are not part of any group | 02:50 |
| aelkner | can see all section competencies | 02:50 |
| aelkner | i dunno, like a guest | 02:50 |
| aelkner | they can only view them? | 02:51 |
| pcardune | hmm | 02:51 |
| aelkner | this is for our users to say | 02:51 |
| pcardune | right | 02:51 |
| aelkner | it will be easy enough to code when they have decided | 02:51 |
| aelkner | how is the gradebook coming? | 02:51 |
| pcardune | I think what we should have is something that tells the user whether they are in an appropriate group or not | 02:51 |
| aelkner | you mean on the owrap, like next to the logout? | 02:52 |
| pcardune | I can see it now... the biggest user error is going to be, "I added johnny as a student for the section but johnny still can't see the competencies?!?!" | 02:52 |
| pcardune | and the solution would be, "well... is johnny part of the student group?" | 02:52 |
| pcardune | so, if you go to one of those screens where you expect to see a list of related stuff, but you aren't in the student or teacher group, | 02:53 |
| aelkner | that's why the new skin was supposed to look different for teachers and students | 02:53 |
| pcardune | then it should say, "you don't seem to be in either the student or teacher group, you must be in one of these groups to see relevant information" | 02:53 |
| aelkner | ooh | 02:53 |
| aelkner | that's another idea entirely | 02:53 |
| pcardune | right, but the truth of the matter is that you don't have to be part of one of those groups to see the newskin, and if you are not in one of those groups, it can be very confusing | 02:54 |
| pcardune | (to look at the newskin that is) | 02:54 |
| aelkner | yeah, that's why different colors/icons was an idea proposed at the new hampshire sprint | 02:54 |
| pcardune | so, what would go along with that thought, is that people are in neither students nor teachers don't see anything | 02:55 |
| aelkner | vanilla? | 02:55 |
| aelkner | a message like what you suggest could work | 02:55 |
| aelkner | how about a big message at the top middle | 02:55 |
| aelkner | TEACHER | 02:55 |
| aelkner | STUDENT | 02:56 |
| aelkner | Not either TEACHER or STUDENT | 02:56 |
| aelkner | bigger letters than the rest | 02:56 |
| aelkner | top middle is open | 02:56 |
| aelkner | TEACHER VIEW? | 02:56 |
| pcardune | not all caps though :) | 02:57 |
| aelkner | just bolder than the rest is all i meant | 02:57 |
| pcardune | right | 02:57 |
| aelkner | NEW USER | 02:57 |
| pcardune | yeah, that is one idea | 02:57 |
| aelkner | or NEW USER (not teacher of student) | 02:57 |
| pcardune | no no, NEW USER is no good, because then administrators would have that when they look at the newskin | 02:57 |
| pcardune | run that by welsh | 02:58 |
| aelkner | they should have something like ADMINISTRATOR | 02:58 |
| pcardune | right, but how do you decide if someone is an administrator | 02:58 |
| aelkner | but then when they are both, which is common, then what? | 02:58 |
| aelkner | they are a member of the admin group | 02:58 |
| pcardune | so what do you do with someone who is not the member of any group, like SchoolTool Manager, who has priveldges to the max? | 02:58 |
| aelkner | isAdmin would look just like isTeacher | 02:58 |
| pcardune | are they "new user"? | 02:59 |
| aelkner | i thought Schooltool Manager WAS in the admin group | 02:59 |
| pcardune | if we implement "isAdmin" then people will be tempted to make administrative views in the newskin | 02:59 |
| aelkner | not so? | 02:59 |
| pcardune | not by default I don't think | 02:59 |
| aelkner | checking | 02:59 |
| aelkner | he is a member of the site managers group and i know i didn't put him there | 03:00 |
| pcardune | ah, site managers, but not administrators | 03:01 |
| aelkner | also, i think irecall seeing that code in the startup | 03:01 |
| aelkner | what makes an administator then? | 03:01 |
| aelkner | scratch that | 03:01 |
| aelkner | the site manager makes him one by adding him to the adminstrators | 03:02 |
| pcardune | in terms of groups? being in the administrator groups... in terms of permissions... not as well defined | 03:02 |
| aelkner | hmm | 03:03 |
| pcardune | in any case, I think having a bolded teacher/student indicator could be a good idea | 03:03 |
| pcardune | but I also think it would be good to have that longer message | 03:03 |
| aelkner | when they are neither | 03:04 |
| pcardune | yeah | 03:05 |
| aelkner | pcardune: you didn't answer my question about gradebook. i'm trying to determine your availabliity | 03:05 |
| aelkner | are you finished | 03:05 |
| pcardune | what question was that? | 03:05 |
| pcardune | more or less, yes | 03:05 |
| aelkner | ok | 03:05 |
| aelkner | may i suggest | 03:05 |
| pcardune | I mean, there will be tweaks... performance improvements | 03:05 |
| aelkner | we meet with jason tomorrow morning | 03:05 |
| aelkner | around 10 or 11, your call | 03:05 |
| aelkner | we discuss these issues | 03:06 |
| aelkner | and you and i devide the work | 03:06 |
| aelkner | giving me the most of course as you still have gradebook tweaks | 03:06 |
| aelkner | and i have more time | 03:06 |
| aelkner | pcardune: what say you? | 03:07 |
| aelkner | i have to run to the store, be back in a couple of hours | 03:13 |
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| pcardune | aelkner: network outage, and then my network manager crashed | 03:36 |
| pcardune | and I had to restart | 03:36 |
| pcardune | what were we saying? | 03:36 |
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| aelkner | pcardune: you still there? | 05:44 |
| pcardune | yes, i am back now | 05:44 |
| pcardune | after much rebooting | 05:44 |
| pcardune | and eventually going back to running in a virtual machine | 05:44 |
| pcardune | aelkner: what were we talking about earlier? | 05:45 |
| aelkner | i was asking you if you could meet at 10 or 11 am tomorrow | 05:45 |
| aelkner | to discuss with jstraw | 05:45 |
| aelkner | what we should do with the access to competencies | 05:45 |
| aelkner | for unauthorized users | 05:45 |
| pcardune | I don't think there is much to discuss | 05:45 |
| aelkner | or i mean groupless | 05:46 |
| pcardune | I think it is just up to him to decide | 05:46 |
| aelkner | also what we discussed as to having something in the top middle | 05:46 |
| aelkner | to id the user's groups | 05:46 |
| aelkner | it's not clear from his security spreadsheet | 05:47 |
| pcardune | well, I think you should be asking Lumiere about meeting with him tomorrow, and not asking me | 05:47 |
| aelkner | that's fine | 05:47 |
| aelkner | he and i can decide together if you're ok with that | 05:48 |
| pcardune | I don't think I can offer any input beyond what he decides | 05:48 |
| aelkner | ok | 05:48 |
| pcardune | or beyond what we already discussed | 05:48 |
| aelkner | change of subject | 05:48 |
| pcardune | but I'll probably be around anyhow if other things come up | 05:48 |
| aelkner | ok | 05:48 |
| aelkner | it's really annoying how the calendar view comes up as the default view for the new skin rather than go.html | 05:49 |
| aelkner | the calendar view is UGLY | 05:49 |
| aelkner | it even overlays some buttons right on top of the logout | 05:49 |
| aelkner | i think it's just a matter of rtegistering index.html for ISchoolToolApplication for our layer | 05:50 |
| pcardune | well, we might need to fix that css issue in the long run, when someone decides they want to use calendars in newskin | 05:50 |
| aelkner | i'm going to try that out at least | 05:50 |
| pcardune | in the mean time, we were talking about doing a little dispatch dealy | 05:51 |
| pcardune | but yeah, go ahead and try that out | 05:51 |
| pcardune | I think the only reason it would not work is if there was a custom traverser on ISchoolToolApplication that mucked with the default... and I imagine that might actually be the case if it is redirecting to calendar | 05:52 |
| pcardune | unless the index.html view for schooltool does the redirecting | 05:52 |
| pcardune | but yeah, try it out, it might work | 05:52 |
| aelkner | pcardune: aah, that feels much better. now the dumb calendar won't come up | 05:58 |
| aelkner | oh and yes, the index.html view schooltool did the redirecting | 06:01 |
| aelkner | but that's why layers are so cool | 06:01 |
| aelkner | we can just do it whatever way we want. yay | 06:01 |
| pcardune | I just remember working on a zope2 CMS, where every time they wanted to make a custom skin for a client (all the time) they would basically fork the application... yay! | 06:08 |
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| Lumiere | here now | 16:58 |
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| Lumiere | hi fsufitch | 17:51 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere, i already lost the game | 17:52 |
| fsufitch | <_< | 17:52 |
| fsufitch | *ahem* hi, Lumiere | 17:52 |
| Lumiere | hi | 17:54 |
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| aelkner | Lumiere: who's it going? | 18:11 |
| fsufitch | aelkner, who or how? | 18:13 |
| aelkner | who is dyslexic for how | 18:13 |
| fsufitch | o yea | 18:14 |
| fsufitch | <_< and ur dyslexic? | 18:14 |
| aelkner | well, dyslexic is a fancy way of saying i made a typo | 18:17 |
| fsufitch | lol | 18:17 |
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| Lumiere | hi rafaelfeito | 19:01 |
| rafaelfeito | Lumiere: helo | 19:02 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere, i'm getting component lookup errors when i try to use the help files | 19:11 |
| fsufitch | File "/home/filip/cando-trunk/eggs/zope.traversing-3.4.0a1-py2.4.egg/zope/traversing/adapters.py", line 49, in traverse | 19:11 |
| fsufitch | return subject[name] | 19:11 |
| fsufitch | TypeError: tuple indices must be integers | 19:11 |
| fsufitch | have any idea what this is? | 19:11 |
| Lumiere | yea it means subject is a tuple | 19:20 |
| fsufitch | i sort of got that | 19:20 |
| fsufitch | but it's in zope.traversing | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | usepastebot to send the full trace | 19:20 |
| fsufitch | so i dont know how it got there | 19:20 |
| fsufitch | ok | 19:20 |
| fsufitch | wait a minute, i'm getting traversal errors everywhere | 19:21 |
| fsufitch | h/o | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | heh | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | you broke something gooood | 19:21 |
| fsufitch | apparently not all objects have a "title" attribute | 19:21 |
| fsufitch | that sucks. | 19:21 |
| fsufitch | meh | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | some shouldn't | 19:22 |
| fsufitch | example? | 19:22 |
| fsufitch | ok, so i fixed that... | 19:23 |
| Lumiere | and you didn't svn remove template.pt again | 19:23 |
| Lumiere | right | 19:23 |
| fsufitch | who knows? | 19:24 |
| fsufitch | i didnt commit yet... | 19:24 |
| Lumiere | lol | 19:25 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere, is there a logical reason that curriculum_help.pt , sections_help.pt , competencies_help.pt and summary_help.pt are all empty? | 19:30 |
| fsufitch | or does this have to do with certain two people not sending a certain diff? | 19:31 |
| Lumiere | they never got to cando stuff | 19:31 |
| Lumiere | they just did schooltool stuff | 19:31 |
| fsufitch | i c | 19:31 |
| Lumiere | and I have yet to hear from ignas as to whether any of it was actually useable | 19:31 |
| Lumiere | afaict they're not getting money for it | 19:31 |
| fsufitch | *sigh* so we're without help files? | 19:31 |
| Lumiere | write em | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | BLAH@!@$#%$ | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | or we can find someone from the list of acceptable people | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | to write it | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | :O, to put it plainly | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | what list of acceptable people | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: poke eldar | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | arite | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | or I can | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | i was gonna do it enyway | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | k | 19:32 |
| Lumiere | want me to get him on irc? | 19:32 |
| fsufitch | i'm telling him to get on irc | 19:33 |
| fsufitch | he ain't responding | 19:33 |
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| fsufitch | oh cool he did respond | 19:33 |
| Lumiere | or is he ;) | 19:33 |
| fsufitch | <.< | 19:33 |
| Lumiere | brb | 19:33 |
| fsufitch | eldar, hello | 19:33 |
| eldar | fsufitch: what's up | 19:34 |
| fsufitch | the reason i aclled u is that i suddenly realised that i was making the help button work for pages etc., but there's no help files in sight | 19:34 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere suggested getting someone from "the acceptable list" to work on help files | 19:34 |
| fsufitch | what | 19:34 |
| fsufitch | *what's the acceptable list? | 19:34 |
| eldar | no idea | 19:35 |
| fsufitch | XD | 19:35 |
| eldar | that is some ambiguous language | 19:35 |
| fsufitch | <Lumiere> or we can find someone from the list of acceptable people | 19:35 |
| eldar | wait, didn't robbie and bao | 19:36 |
| eldar | do anything? | 19:36 |
| fsufitch | *deep breath* | 19:36 |
| fsufitch | so they wrote help files for the schooltool interface | 19:36 |
| fsufitch | nothing for cando | 19:36 |
| fsufitch | and Lumiere says he is yet to hear from ignas about the files' usability | 19:36 |
| eldar | i see | 19:37 |
| fsufitch | so, in short: no | 19:37 |
| fsufitch | is there anybody without anything to do? | 19:38 |
| eldar | uh... | 19:38 |
| fsufitch | and anybody meaning somebody who has enough brains not to write to the schooltool egg? | 19:38 |
| eldar | you can contact bnguyen and wjohnston | 19:39 |
| eldar | but i think they're working on osmething | 19:39 |
| eldar | hmm ... linda wrote a lot of help files | 19:39 |
| eldar | i just don't know where they are | 19:39 |
| fsufitch | neither of them's online | 19:39 |
| fsufitch | LOL! | 19:39 |
| fsufitch | this help file stuff sounds like a black hole | 19:39 |
| Lumiere | back | 19:41 |
| fsufitch | read. | 19:42 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: something like that | 19:42 |
| Lumiere | (read first, say back second ;)) | 19:42 |
| fsufitch | what? | 19:42 |
| Lumiere | I read backlogs before saying that I am back | 19:42 |
| fsufitch | oh lol | 19:42 |
| fsufitch | gj | 19:42 |
| fsufitch | i dont <_< | 19:43 |
| Lumiere | I've been on IRC for 6 years.... | 19:44 |
| fsufitch | .5 years here <_< | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | ANYWAY | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | what about those help files? | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | just link it up | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | if there's nothing there | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | there's nothing there | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | that won't be your issue for now | 19:45 |
| Lumiere | (although it might become yours if it has to) | 19:45 |
| fsufitch | the issue is that the structure provider doesn't seem to be finding any help when it's supposed to find some | 19:46 |
| Lumiere | you may need to put a basic pt file into those help files | 19:47 |
| Lumiere | so that there is something for the renderer to do | 19:47 |
| fsufitch | ok | 19:48 |
| Lumiere | but aelkner or eldar can answer that better ;) | 19:48 |
| aelkner | i don't know from the help system, but i think that Lumiere is right in directing you to mock up the help pt files | 19:49 |
| fsufitch | right now the .pt files just have a blank line in them | 19:49 |
| aelkner | so put something in them | 19:49 |
| aelkner | it doesn't matter what | 19:49 |
| aelkner | just so you know you got to them | 19:50 |
| Lumiere | or even copy a schooltool help file | 19:50 |
| fsufitch | ok... | 19:50 |
| Lumiere | (check th1a's commits to find one) | 19:50 |
| Lumiere | so you have the basic looks of something resembling a help file | 19:51 |
| fsufitch | ok | 19:53 |
| fsufitch | might there be a problem with all help files being registered as for="schooltool.group.interfaces.IGroupContainer" | 19:54 |
| fsufitch | aelkner, ping? | 19:54 |
| aelkner | umm | 19:55 |
| aelkner | why not register them for * for now | 19:55 |
| fsufitch | uhoh, that would turn out bad | 19:56 |
| fsufitch | wouldn't it find multiple files for each topic? | 19:56 |
| aelkner | dunno | 20:02 |
| aelkner | eldar: who started the work on the help system? | 20:02 |
| fsufitch | aelkner, robbie and bao | 20:02 |
| fsufitch | but they dies | 20:02 |
| fsufitch | *died | 20:03 |
| fsufitch | figuratively speaking of course | 20:03 |
| aelkner | you could still ask them for help | 20:03 |
| aelkner | even if they don't do the work, they could explain things | 20:03 |
| aelkner | eldar: ping | 20:03 |
| fsufitch | i dont think so | 20:03 |
| fsufitch | they're the ones who edited stuff in the schooltool egg | 20:04 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: they didn't do anything quite right | 20:07 |
| aelkner | where is that eldar character anyway | 20:07 |
| Lumiere | idle 25m | 20:07 |
| aelkner | i can't address help right now | 20:07 |
| Lumiere | np | 20:07 |
| aelkner | could we have fillip work on something that i noticed? | 20:07 |
| Lumiere | yes | 20:07 |
| Lumiere | you control who does what | 20:08 |
| aelkner | namely, the css for when you login is different than when you are not logging in | 20:08 |
| aelkner | the font size seems different | 20:08 |
| Lumiere | heh | 20:08 |
| aelkner | go to the new skin and hit the home button | 20:08 |
| aelkner | then hit the login button | 20:08 |
| aelkner | note the difference in font sie for the tabs | 20:09 |
| aelkner | is that by design? | 20:09 |
| aelkner | i don['t think the user woul'd understand | 20:09 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: ? | 20:13 |
| aelkner | fsufitch: do you see what i mean? | 20:15 |
| fsufitch | aelkner, i think it's a discrepancy between the stylesheets for view_macros.pt and template.pt | 20:15 |
| aelkner | do you think you could resolve it? | 20:16 |
| fsufitch | i'll do it right after i figure out this stupid help file thing | 20:21 |
| aelkner | ok, thanks | 20:26 |
| th1a | What's the question? | 20:27 |
| Lumiere | hi | 20:27 |
| Lumiere | got ice cream | 20:27 |
| Lumiere | and i dunno | 20:28 |
| * th1a has returned from his constitutional. | 20:28 | |
| Lumiere | fsufitch may have questions about how help works | 20:28 |
| aelkner | th1a: do you have any idea why students is not configured as a crowd in schooltool.securitypolicy? | 20:28 |
| aelkner | the crowd class exists | 20:29 |
| aelkner | it's just not cnfigured | 20:29 |
| th1a | aelkner: I do not know. | 20:29 |
| th1a | Other than SchoolTool doesn't need it yet. | 20:29 |
| aelkner | is ignas in this week? | 20:29 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: most schooltool instances... students don't get logins | 20:29 |
| Lumiere | today is a holiday iirc | 20:30 |
| th1a | ignas is on vacation. | 20:30 |
| Lumiere | ah | 20:30 |
| Lumiere | a well deserved vacation | 20:30 |
| aelkner | well, i added the crowd to the new skin config for now | 20:30 |
| Lumiere | k | 20:30 |
| th1a | Lumiere: I think I take it for granted that he got along well with the interns. | 20:31 |
| aelkner | he gets along well with everybody cause he's cool | 20:31 |
| Lumiere | th1a: there weren't any absolutely horrible interns | 20:32 |
| Lumiere | and I think he knew that before anything got out of hand | 20:32 |
| fsufitch | Lumiere, i wasn't a horrible intern? | 20:32 |
| Lumiere | that I'd have beaten the crap outta them | 20:32 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: my next commit is going to the new skin usable by only teachers and students for now, ok? | 20:32 |
| Lumiere | fsufitch: you're juts a hack | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | aelkner: ok | 20:33 |
| fsufitch | XD | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | wait... you're a hack OF a hack XD | 20:33 |
| fsufitch | what? | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I think I take it for granted that there are interns with as twisted a sense of humor as I have | 20:33 |
| fsufitch | that doesn't make any sense | 20:34 |
| Lumiere | yes it does | 20:34 |
| Lumiere | you took a hack | 20:34 |
| fsufitch | to you maybe | 20:34 |
| Lumiere | and added a hack to it | 20:34 |
| fsufitch | oh, yea that's me ^_^ | 20:34 |
| Lumiere | uh huh | 20:34 |
| th1a | Lumiere: I wasn't so much commenting on the quality of the interns as the idea that we can just fly a Lithuanian developer over to work with a bunch of US kids. | 20:35 |
| th1a | Without expending any energy whatsoever to acclimate them to each other. | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | yea | 20:36 |
| Lumiere | (mmmm free ice cream) | 20:40 |
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| *** x-spec-t is now known as Spec | 21:01 | |
| Lumiere | hi Spec | 21:08 |
| Spec | 'yo. | 21:09 |
| Lumiere | th1a: is my topic change ok with you | 21:11 |
| th1a | Uh... I was wondering about that. | 21:11 |
| th1a | It is a little harsh. | 21:11 |
| Lumiere | th1a: well, there is noone here that can help with it | 21:11 |
| th1a | I can't say I'd lead with "SchoolTool 0.11.4 is unsupported." | 21:11 |
| th1a | Well... | 21:11 |
| Lumiere | it's the only thing there that's for users | 21:12 |
| th1a | Could you, say, move it down in emphasis. | 21:12 |
| Lumiere | ok | 21:12 |
| th1a | Like, to the end of the topic rather than beginning. | 21:12 |
| th1a | Plus it isn't literally completely unsupported. | 21:12 |
| Lumiere | that's the bottom of user emphasis stuff | 21:12 |
| th1a | Just, you know, mostly unsupported ;-) | 21:13 |
| *** Lumiere changes topic to "SchoolTool development | SchoolTool 0.11.4 is no longer being developed and has very spotty support - new trial release coming in Ubuntu Gutsy | IRC logs at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/ | Dev meetings Mon, 13:30 UTC (15:30 EET) - CanDo Dev meetings Mon, 14:30 UTC (10:30 US/Eastern) | Use http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool for pasting" | 21:13 | |
| Lumiere | how about that | 21:13 |
| th1a | You know, I don't really think it is necessary. | 21:14 |
| *** Lumiere changes topic to "SchoolTool development | new trial release coming in Ubuntu Gutsy! | IRC logs at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/ | Dev meetings Mon, 13:30 UTC (15:30 EET) - CanDo Dev meetings Mon, 14:30 UTC (10:30 US/Eastern) | Use http://paste.lisp.org/new/schooltool for pasting" | 21:19 | |
| Lumiere | that it? :) | 21:21 |
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| Lumiere | hi pc | 21:22 |
| Lumiere | <tab>! | 21:22 |
| pcardune | hi Lumiere | 21:32 |
| th1a | Lumiere: That's fine. | 21:32 |
| th1a | Lumiere: We don't need to trumpet our problems. | 21:33 |
| Lumiere | k | 21:34 |
| fsufitch | pcardune, a little question | 21:37 |
| pcardune | yeah? | 21:37 |
| fsufitch | how does the <help:register> in zcml work? | 21:37 |
| pcardune | I don't know off the top of my head. But there are plenty of examples in the source code... I think it is pretty straight forward | 21:38 |
| fsufitch | thing is, the registrations for the newskin all haave for="schooltool.group.interfaces.IGroupContainer" | 21:39 |
| fsufitch | doesn't that cause trouble? | 21:39 |
| pcardune | what kind of trouble would that cause? | 21:39 |
| pcardune | I mean, the trouble might be that you only get the fun little help button when looking at a group container... | 21:40 |
| fsufitch | yeah | 21:40 |
| pcardune | and It might be nicer to have those registered on objects that are actually relevant to the test in the help | 21:40 |
| fsufitch | so i tried changing it to for="..interfaces.ISectionView" | 21:40 |
| fsufitch | but it doesn't really do anything | 21:40 |
| fsufitch | it doesn't find help files and doesnt display the help buttn | 21:41 |
| fsufitch | for /sections/go.html that is | 21:42 |
| pcardune | you should use schooltool.course.interfaces.ISectionContainer | 21:43 |
| pcardune | because that is what "sections" is | 21:43 |
| fsufitch | yeah, but would it display for the go.html? | 21:45 |
| fsufitch | because there's already a schooltool help file registered for schooltool.course.interfaces.ISectionContainer | 21:45 |
| aelkner | pcardune: thanks for helping with this as i wasn't involved with the discussion | 21:46 |
| pcardune | fsufitch: does the go.html view even implement ISectionView? mabe it is possible to register the help page for a specific view class... I would see that as being the best option in any case | 21:48 |
| pcardune | aelkner: your welcome, although I'm not sure what I helped you with? | 21:48 |
| fsufitch | it does implement isectionview | 21:48 |
| aelkner | you help fillip | 21:48 |
| pcardune | oh | 21:48 |
| aelkner | helped | 21:48 |
| fsufitch | <.< | 21:49 |
| fsufitch | i was bothering aelkner earlier :) | 21:49 |
| aelkner | not really | 21:49 |
| pcardune | fsufitch: hmm, well, try registering it for that specific view class | 21:49 |
| pcardune | fsufitch: And I wonder if the help system supports layers | 21:49 |
| fsufitch | it complains because it can only be registered for an interface | 21:49 |
| pcardune | if it doesn't, we are definitely going to want it to... But that would be a question for ignas | 21:50 |
| Lumiere | who is on vacation | 21:50 |
| fsufitch | 32w9e408y9pshin | 21:50 |
| fsufitch | my luck | 21:50 |
| pcardune | lol | 21:50 |
| pcardune | fsufitch: this just means you have the opportunity to delve into the schooltool help system, and how the zcml registrations work (something even I haven't looked at yet) | 21:51 |
| fsufitch | oooooooo | 21:51 |
| fsufitch | i like it how you say "even I" | 21:51 |
| pcardune | yeah, it makes it sound like I know what I'm doing :) | 21:54 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: you don't... | 21:54 |
| pcardune | very important for the "lead developer" to sound like | 21:54 |
| Lumiere | where's all my money going then XD | 21:54 |
| Spec | to me. | 21:55 |
| Spec | you just don't know it yet. ;) | 21:55 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: it's kind of like the lottery | 21:55 |
| Lumiere | ha | 21:58 |
| fsufitch | AAAAAAA | 21:58 |
| fsufitch | pcardune, the ISectionContainer registration works, but not in sections/go.html | 21:59 |
| fsufitch | in sections/index.html | 21:59 |
| fsufitch | i g2g | 22:00 |
| fsufitch | i'll ttyl | 22:00 |
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| Lumiere | I am off too | 22:05 |
| Lumiere | I got a mother to pick up in 20 minutes at dulles | 22:06 |
| pcardune | lol | 22:07 |
| aelkner | but you said you have a view of dulles, so it shouldn't take you 20 minutes :) | 22:07 |
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