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| Lumiere | fsufitch: kill the id-cards branch | 00:45 |
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| Lumiere | and branch off the barcodes stuff | 00:45 |
| fsufitch | :( fine | 00:45 |
| Lumiere | if you need merges etc | 00:45 |
| Lumiere | lemme know | 00:45 |
| fsufitch | ok | 00:45 |
| Lumiere | (just got home) | 00:45 |
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| th1a | pcardune: Is nick wheeler at ubuntu live? | 06:46 |
| pcardune | th1a: supposedly | 06:53 |
| th1a | Isn't this the back of his head: http://www.flickr.com/photos/x180/870795499/ | 06:54 |
| pcardune | th1a: yep, that's him | 06:57 |
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| jinty_ | th1a: just to let you know, ogra's probably going to take a look at the packages, perhaps this week | 16:06 |
| jinty_ | I'm pretty busy right now so not really able to do much | 16:07 |
| jinty_ | and I leave for a holiday on the 2'nd august | 16:07 |
| jinty_ | (perhaps you can bribe my girfriend to allow me to work a little on schooltool) | 16:07 |
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| mgallagh | jeff, is alan around? | 17:28 |
| eldar | mgallagh, no he isn't here yet | 17:28 |
| th1a | jelkner is his brother's keeper. | 17:28 |
| mgallagh | :) | 17:29 |
| mgallagh | well i'm at the school | 17:29 |
| mgallagh | was tinyzis stored on maddog before? | 17:29 |
| eldar | i don't know | 17:31 |
| eldar | mgallagh, what are you trying to do? | 17:31 |
| mgallagh | the one stored on his server was copied incorrectly,can't remember if that was me or him | 17:31 |
| jelkner | i know what he is trying to do | 17:32 |
| mgallagh | so its very harc to convert to bzr withouit losing the svn data | 17:32 |
| jelkner | mgallagh: did you see my message? | 17:35 |
| mgallagh | yes | 17:36 |
| mgallagh | oh | 17:36 |
| mgallagh | im not identified | 17:36 |
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| mattva01 | im at school | 17:37 |
| mattva01 | copying tinyzis | 17:37 |
| mattva01 | i'll head there as soon as im done | 17:38 |
| jelkner | mattva01: did you see my message? | 17:41 |
| jelkner | where are you? in room 217? | 17:41 |
| mattva01 | yes | 17:42 |
| mattva01 | room 217 | 17:42 |
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| Lumiere | mattva01: talk to launchpad guys about svn2bzr | 17:47 |
| mattva01 | i understand how it works | 17:51 |
| Lumiere | k | 17:53 |
| Lumiere | hi pcardune | 17:53 |
| pcardune | hi Lumiere | 17:53 |
| mattva01 | who are they though ,just in case :) | 17:53 |
| Lumiere | #launchpad | 17:53 |
| mattva01 | oh ok | 17:53 |
| mattva01 | wjohnsto,what files do you need recovered? | 17:54 |
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| mattva01 | 1 sec wjohnsto | 18:26 |
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| Lumiere | wb | 18:28 |
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| mattva01 | william, its sent | 18:36 |
| mattva01 | anyone else need stuff off maddog? | 18:37 |
| aelkner | mattva01: TinyZIS is located at https://svn1.hosted-projects.com/sif/tinyzis/trunk/tinyzis | 18:39 |
| mattva01 | ah ok | 18:40 |
| aelkner | also, you didn't include in your note the paths to the repos, i. e., "bzr co ???" | 18:41 |
| mattva01 | that makes it easy | 18:41 |
| aelkner | please email me those | 18:42 |
| mattva01 | oh , it would be ' bzr co sftp://<username>@alan.elkner.net/bzr/<branch name> | 18:42 |
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| wjohnsto | mattva01: thank you very much | 18:49 |
| mattva01 | aelkner, what branches do you want? | 18:51 |
| aelkner | mattva01, there are three repos you set up for us, right? | 18:52 |
| mattva01 | by repo you mean branch right? | 18:53 |
| mattva01 | wait | 18:58 |
| mattva01 | Do you mind if I just used launchpads service? | 18:59 |
| aelkner | mattva01: talk to me | 19:00 |
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| mattva01 | jeff,you don't have any server install disks in your room do you? | 19:52 |
| mattva01 | feisty ones i mean | 19:52 |
| Lumiere | sec | 19:58 |
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| jelkner | mattva01: look at my private chat | 20:02 |
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| Lumiere | hi ignas | 20:10 |
| ignas | hi | 20:10 |
| jelkner | hi ignas | 20:11 |
| jelkner | i have a question for you | 20:11 |
| ignas | yes | 20:11 |
| jelkner | that everyone tells me only you can answer | 20:11 |
| jelkner | is there an easy way for us to pack our schooltool Data.fs files? | 20:12 |
| Lumiere | this is something that should be in schooltool/bin | 20:12 |
| ignas | i think - no | 20:12 |
| ignas | there are views that would allow you do this | 20:13 |
| ignas | but ... security policy for schooltool is not applying to the server | 20:13 |
| ignas | so you can't use your Manager user when it comes to server administration | 20:13 |
| ignas | as for some utility | 20:13 |
| ignas | it is possible to create one | 20:13 |
| ignas | so you would shut down the server | 20:14 |
| ignas | and pack the database then | 20:14 |
| jelkner | here is my use case (why i'm asking this) | 20:15 |
| jelkner | we loaded all the state competencies into our running cando instance | 20:15 |
| jelkner | there are *lots* of competencies | 20:15 |
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| jelkner | since there is currently no way to add only the ones i wanted | 20:16 |
| jelkner | i loaded them all, and then deleted the ones i didn't want | 20:16 |
| jelkner | this made the Data.fs way bigger than it needed to be | 20:16 |
| jelkner | and now i want to make it smaller again | 20:16 |
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| fsufitch | hello, all | 20:17 |
| ignas | how big is it now? | 20:18 |
| Lumiere | sec | 20:19 |
| jelkner | i'll get back to you on that | 20:20 |
| jelkner | but the point is still valid even if it isn't "too big" | 20:20 |
| jelkner | at some point we will want to pack the data | 20:20 |
| jelkner | am i wrong? | 20:21 |
| ignas | at some point | 20:21 |
| ignas | maybe | 20:21 |
| jelkner | anyway, it isn't a big deal now | 20:22 |
| jelkner | i was just asking | 20:22 |
| jelkner | if it is too difficult | 20:22 |
| jelkner | we have other higher priorities for the now | 20:22 |
| ignas | it's not too difficult I even think we had some utility to do that | 20:23 |
| ignas | not sure now though | 20:23 |
| fsufitch | eldar, the breadcrumb options problem may be due to the fact that there are <li> tags outside of any <ul> or <ol> | 20:29 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll ask you about it when i see you in dc | 20:29 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 20:29 |
| fsufitch | could that cause a problem? | 20:29 |
| eldar | yeah | 20:29 |
| fsufitch | lol | 20:29 |
| fsufitch | i don't see a way to fix the problem with <li> tags being used, but i can put an <ul> around them | 20:30 |
| tdoggette | hey, does addPerson() allow for a first name? | 20:30 |
| Lumiere | just a full name | 20:31 |
| eldar | why don't you look at the method? | 20:31 |
| Lumiere | that too | 20:31 |
| fsufitch | the method is deeply buried in Zope source code | 20:31 |
| fsufitch | don't you remember? | 20:31 |
| AVN` | well, when you are trying to add an instructor, | 20:32 |
| tdoggette | SchoolTool uses first name as the label for certain chekcboxes | 20:32 |
| ignas | jelkner: if you are using zeo - there is zeopack script | 20:32 |
| tdoggette | which is bad | 20:32 |
| ignas | that comes with ZODB | 20:32 |
| AVN` | it stupidly uses the first name as the label | 20:32 |
| tdoggette | because if you don't have a first name, the label is "None" | 20:32 |
| tdoggette | any there are several | 20:32 |
| tdoggette | *and | 20:32 |
| ignas | AVN`: and how is that stupid? | 20:32 |
| ignas | and how do you get a person without a first name? | 20:32 |
| AVN` | because addPerson doesn't allow you to make a first name | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: in some places people are sorted by first name not surname | 20:33 |
| AVN` | Shouldn't that be standard? | 20:33 |
| tdoggette | last name, that is | 20:33 |
| ignas | AVN`: it seems that you are using the wrong person | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | depends on language | 20:33 |
| ignas | with add person or something like that | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | ignas: <_< | 20:33 |
| ignas | because by default "first column" is the label | 20:33 |
| Lumiere | ignas: we have too many people in schooltool | 20:33 |
| ignas | so with simple person - "title" is used as the label | 20:33 |
| tdoggette | ignas: which, in this case, is first name | 20:34 |
| ignas | what part are you testing? | 20:34 |
| ignas | and anyway - i'd assume that you are using the wrong addPerson | 20:34 |
| tdoggette | ignas: adding teachers to sections | 20:34 |
| ignas | as addPerson function is for schooltool.person Persons iirc | 20:34 |
| tdoggette | also: there are plural addPersons? | 20:34 |
| tdoggette | WHY | 20:34 |
| ignas | tdoggette: CanDo or schooltool | 20:35 |
| tdoggette | Cando | 20:35 |
| tdoggette | but using the SchoolTool interface | 20:35 |
| ignas | tdoggette: because there are 3 different Person classes | 20:35 |
| tdoggette | the Manager account | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | http://158.59.225.198:7207 -> trunk | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | http://158.59.225.198:7208 -> newskin | 20:35 |
| ignas | depending on the school configuration | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | (internal only) | 20:35 |
| AVN` | I thought there were only 2 | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | AVN`: ignas added one | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | in the last 2 weeks | 20:35 |
| tdoggette | Gee, thanks. | 20:35 |
| Lumiere | (europython?) | 20:35 |
| ignas | AVN`: now there are 3 of them in trunk | 20:35 |
| ignas | yes | 20:35 |
| ignas | anyway it seems that | 20:36 |
| ignas | you have one thing set up in ftesting.zcml | 20:36 |
| ignas | and are using different helper functions | 20:36 |
| tdoggette | You can't pin this on us, we're using a trunk checkout | 20:36 |
| tdoggette | whatever we have is off-the-shelf | 20:36 |
| tdoggette | so to speak | 20:36 |
| ignas | so which schooltool functional test are you editing? | 20:36 |
| Lumiere | lol ignas: all they're doing is writing ftests for cando stuff | 20:37 |
| ignas | so it's not schooltool off the shelf functional test? | 20:37 |
| tdoggette | we're in the newskin package | 20:37 |
| AVN` | Wait, newskin is not being developed? | 20:37 |
| tdoggette | in trunk | 20:37 |
| ignas | not schooltool trunk from what i know | 20:38 |
| tdoggette | Sorry, there's discussion here in the ACC that's not online | 20:38 |
| Lumiere | addPerson probably is schooltool | 20:38 |
| ignas | yes | 20:38 |
| Lumiere | ignas: eldar will help them out | 20:38 |
| ignas | but ftesting.zcml is in cando | 20:38 |
| ignas | as these 2 don't match | 20:38 |
| Lumiere | they're using the wrong svn anyways | 20:38 |
| ignas | you get bad things (tm) | 20:38 |
| ignas | :) | 20:38 |
| Lumiere | hehe | 20:38 |
| AVN` | It works now | 20:50 |
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| mattva01 | Last call for maddog data is today, as it will probably be formatted tomorrow | 21:00 |
| mattva01 | I have everything from the bzr directory | 21:00 |
| bvuong | can anyone help me setup the cando environment for my linux computer? | 21:00 |
| fsufitch | eldar, a little question about viewlets: | 21:00 |
| fsufitch | what method do they use to render the html? | 21:00 |
| ccarey | mattva01 meet us in #stagent | 21:01 |
| fsufitch | when they're asked for it by a tal:content="structure: blah" | 21:01 |
| ccarey | we need to talk | 21:01 |
| ccarey | now | 21:01 |
| eldar | fsufitch, render! | 21:02 |
| bvuong | hello? | 21:02 |
| fsufitch | >.< | 21:02 |
| bvuong | can someone help me out? | 21:02 |
| bvuong | anyone? | 21:06 |
| AVN` | What's your problem? its hard to know if someone can help you if you don't say what the problem is | 21:06 |
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| bvuong | ok, I made the cando directory, and got everything in it, but when I type the make command, I get an error | 21:07 |
| AVN` | what error? | 21:08 |
| bvuong | it says: | 21:08 |
| bvuong | Couldn't retrieve index page for 'zc.datetimewidget' | 21:09 |
| bvuong | error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('zc.datetimewidget>=0.6.1dev-r72453') | 21:10 |
| AVN` | donno, sorry, maybe Lumiere or eldar will know | 21:10 |
| bvuong | ok | 21:10 |
| ignas | jinty_: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/launchpad-personal-package-archive ? | 21:10 |
| bvuong | eldar: do you have an idea about the error I got? | 21:11 |
| ignas | bvuong: seems strange, i can see the egg in the repository | 21:12 |
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| bvuong | hm | 21:12 |
| fsufitch | haha, dependencies! | 21:12 |
| ignas | zc.datetimewidget-0.6.1dev_r72453-py2.4.egg is in there | 21:13 |
| ignas | maybe you are using python2.5 | 21:13 |
| ignas | by mistake | 21:13 |
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| bvuong | oh yeah, I don't have python2.4 though | 21:16 |
| dcox | hey bao | 21:16 |
| bvuong | I tried to install it, but I don't think it worked | 21:16 |
| bvuong | sup cox | 21:16 |
| dcox | gmail is better | 21:16 |
| bvuong | oh well | 21:17 |
| bvuong | is there a command to install python2.4? like apt-get install python2.4 or something like that? | 21:18 |
| ignas | yes | 21:18 |
| bvuong | is that how you type it? | 21:18 |
| ignas | yes | 21:19 |
| eldar | sudo apt-get install python-all-dev | 21:19 |
| eldar | do that | 21:19 |
| bvuong | ok | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | if you have cando trunk | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | just make feisty-environment | 21:19 |
| bvuong | hmm, didn't work | 21:19 |
| Lumiere | what did it say | 21:20 |
| bvuong | "Nothing to do" | 21:20 |
| ignas | which means that you already have python2.4 | 21:21 |
| Lumiere | ignas: you should grab that piece of make magic | 21:22 |
| Lumiere | :) | 21:22 |
| ignas | Lumiere: i don't have any interns to give it to ;) | 21:23 |
| bvuong | weird, I typed python2.4, but it said, "command not found" | 21:23 |
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| jelkner | bvuong: did you see my private message? | 21:26 |
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| AVN` | Lumiere, what's your email address? | 21:42 |
| tdoggette | Say, does anyone know why adding a competency to a course would throw a KeyError? | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | zzz@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.zz | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | ... | 21:43 |
| tdoggette | ... | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | someone fell asleep on their keyboard | 21:43 |
| Lumiere | *sent in PM* | 21:43 |
| AVN` | kthxbye | 21:44 |
| AVN` | Are there multiple compentency imlementations | 21:47 |
| ignas | tdoggette: can't answer without a traceback | 21:48 |
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| lisppaste5 | tdoggette pasted "traceback" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45061 | 21:50 |
| lisppaste5 | ignas annotated #45061 with "Add these lines before the line that clicks "add"" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45061#1 | 21:52 |
| ignas | tdoggette: and then paste the new traceback | 21:52 |
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| lisppaste5 | tdoggette annotated #45061 with "new traceback" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45061#2 | 21:54 |
| ignas | emm - that line in the template "row/object/information:blah" | 21:57 |
| ignas | looks bogus to me | 21:57 |
| ignas | looks like someone started working on a tal path traverser and didn't finish | 21:58 |
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| tdoggette | ignas: Oh. | 21:59 |
| tdoggette | That's bad. | 21:59 |
| ignas | though the add operation should be completed, the line is in the edit view displayed afterwards i think | 21:59 |
| AVN` | ignas, so what do we do | 21:59 |
| ignas | bzr annotate cando/newskin/src/cando/virginia/browser/templates/competencieseditor.pt | 22:00 |
| ignas | and see who messed up that line | 22:00 |
| ignas | then yell at him | 22:00 |
| tdoggette | Brilliant. | 22:00 |
| tdoggette | 'cept it don't work. | 22:01 |
| tdoggette | I be usin' svn. | 22:01 |
| tdoggette | And it don't work with svn neither. | 22:02 |
| ignas | svn annotate then | 22:02 |
| ignas | ;) | 22:02 |
| tdoggette | svn: 'cando/newskin/src/cando/virginia/browser/templates' is not a working copy | 22:02 |
| ignas | it's by pcardune it seems | 22:03 |
| tdoggette | Oh my. | 22:03 |
| ignas | weird kind of | 22:03 |
| tdoggette | Well, I'll go fire off an angry email or something. | 22:03 |
| ignas | :) | 22:04 |
| ignas | hmm, might be that the competency object created is broken | 22:05 |
| ignas | and that the path expression works | 22:05 |
| ignas | though who would use "blah" in working code | 22:05 |
| AVN` | pcardune? | 22:10 |
| ignas | hmm, my psychic guess is that the new something that you have added is not implementing "IHaveInformation" | 22:10 |
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| ignas | so InformationPath is not being applied | 22:11 |
| ignas | row/object/information:blah should be more like "row/object/information|nothing" | 22:11 |
| ignas | try that and see if it works | 22:12 |
| * ignas adds a huge disclaimer that he hasn't seen the CanDo code nor touched any parts of it | 22:13 | |
| AVN` | where is this code that we are 'fixing'? | 22:13 |
| ignas | cando/newskin/src/cando/virginia/browser/templates/competencieseditor.pt | 22:13 |
| ignas | like 143 i think | 22:13 |
| ignas | well - the line with the "information:blah" in it | 22:14 |
| tdoggette | change information:blah to information|nothing | 22:14 |
| tdoggette | with the pipe? | 22:14 |
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| tdoggette | It worked. | 22:16 |
| ignas | yes | 22:16 |
| tdoggette | Keen. | 22:16 |
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| AVN` | now it can't find the ++skin++NewCanDo/go.html | 22:26 |
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| Lumiere | th1a: ayt | 22:33 |
| th1a | I am here. | 22:33 |
| aelkner | I have an announcement to make re: SIF | 22:34 |
| th1a | Yes? | 22:34 |
| aelkner | We have just demonstrated our first end-to-end test | 22:34 |
| aelkner | Test included | 22:34 |
| th1a | Yay! | 22:34 |
| aelkner | running tinyzis on one machine | 22:34 |
| aelkner | running schooltool on machines 2 and 3 | 22:34 |
| aelkner | schooltool on machine 2 adds a person | 22:35 |
| aelkner | then syncs with tinyzis | 22:35 |
| aelkner | schootool on machine 3 syncs with tinyzis | 22:35 |
| aelkner | the new person magically appears in schooltool on mahcine 3 | 22:35 |
| aelkner | YAY! | 22:35 |
| mlinnell | :) | 22:35 |
| th1a | Exellent work. | 22:36 |
| aelkner | Thanks on behalf of the schooltool.sifaent team | 22:36 |
| th1a | I truly thought the SIF announcement would be "Screw this." | 22:36 |
| aelkner | such an optimist | 22:37 |
| th1a | It has taken some persistence to get this far. | 22:37 |
| Lumiere | and the room is rofllling | 22:37 |
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| Lumiere | does anyone know where the original source cando logo is | 22:39 |
| aelkner | thla: we were able to get his working while only changing one line of code in tinyzis.py: line 350 | 22:42 |
| aelkner | you can see that the code says add/update/update | 22:42 |
| aelkner | that needed to say add/update/delete | 22:42 |
| aelkner | anyway chesty didn't need to change | 22:42 |
| aelkner | and we did update prettyPrint to handle self-terminating xml tags | 22:43 |
| aelkner | but we haven't been updating to the repository yet | 22:43 |
| aelkner | we've been keeping it locally | 22:43 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:44 |
| aelkner | So point is: you can be proud of what you did with tinyzis and chesty | 22:45 |
| th1a | Ah. It works! | 22:45 |
| aelkner | Amazing! | 22:45 |
| th1a | I need to get rolling again on my ZIS rewrite. | 22:45 |
| th1a | Of course, the real test is if they can talk to other SIF implementations. | 22:45 |
| th1a | I might have to go to a SIF meeting now. | 22:46 |
| aelkner | indeed | 22:46 |
| aelkner | where? | 22:46 |
| aelkner | physicall or syberspace | 22:46 |
| th1a | They have meetings. | 22:46 |
| aelkner | venue? | 22:46 |
| th1a | I don't know where the next one is. | 22:47 |
| aelkner | let me know when you do so i could attend | 22:47 |
| aelkner | also, so you have another SIF implementation we could use to test? | 22:48 |
| aelkner | s/so/do | 22:48 |
| th1a | No... that's the problem. | 22:48 |
| th1a | They do "connect-a-thons" where you try it for real. | 22:48 |
| aelkner | For that we would need to have implemented the entire spec, not just StudentPersonal | 22:49 |
| th1a | No... *nobody* implements the entire spec. | 22:49 |
| th1a | And I think a lot of applications don't go much further than StudentPersonal to get the certification. | 22:50 |
| aelkner | so we could ask someone to send us StudentPersonal and we would already be ready | 22:50 |
| th1a | There is a project which hopefully will be starting very soon to create an open source test suite (a funded project). | 22:50 |
| aelkner | so when's the next "connect-a-thon" ? | 22:50 |
| aelkner | sounds interesting | 22:51 |
| th1a | I'm sure it says at http://sifinfo.org | 22:51 |
| aelkner | ok | 22:51 |
| aelkner | well, we'll be continuing to refine our views and supporting other record types leading up to the Galludet Sprint | 22:52 |
| th1a | Excellent. I'm looking forward to the full demo. | 22:52 |
| aelkner | I'm syched about what we will be able to accomplish at the sprint with everyone here together | 22:53 |
| aelkner | And now we have a LOT of developers with SIF experience | 22:53 |
| AVN` | psyched? | 22:53 |
| th1a | Yes. | 22:53 |
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| th1a | SIF experience is a marketable skill. | 22:53 |
| aelkner | psyched, indeed? spelling isn't my strong suit | 22:54 |
| aelkner | s/?/! | 22:54 |
| th1a | I'm synced. | 22:54 |
| aelkner | :) | 22:54 |
| Lumiere | lol | 22:57 |
| Lumiere | sync; sync; sync | 22:57 |
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