| aelkner | Lumiere, do you know how to use screen to have two or more people edit files together, like gobby? | 00:21 |
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| Lumiere | both need to be on the same user | 00:29 |
| Lumiere | then screen for first | 00:29 |
| Lumiere | screen -x for everyone else | 00:29 |
| aelkner | Lumiere: thanks | 01:16 |
| aelkner | we've been using it | 01:16 |
| aelkner | but it's SLOW! | 01:16 |
| aelkner | not really an alternative for gobby | 01:16 |
| aelkner | what's our ETA on maddog? | 01:16 |
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| Fujitsu | SchoolBell is entirely dead and shouldn't be kept around in Ubuntu, right? (it has been uninstallable for many months) | 04:47 |
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| Lumiere | Fujitsu: yes | 05:11 |
| Lumiere | Fujitsu: RIP SchoolBell | 05:11 |
| Lumiere | it's no longer in trunk at all | 05:11 |
| Fujitsu | So I saw. | 05:11 |
| Fujitsu | I loved that commit message. | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | it'll be replaced by a SchoolTool-minimal it looks like | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | me too | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | but | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | I am waiting for the post-sprint weekly-dev | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | on monday | 05:12 |
| * Fujitsu will likely be rolling out a SchoolBellish SchoolTool instance at school for resource stuff soon. | 05:12 | |
| Lumiere | we need someone to really beat on that stuff | 05:12 |
| Lumiere | a lot of it is brand new | 05:13 |
| Lumiere | also, a part of the CanDo is working on barcode support | 05:13 |
| Lumiere | for checking in and out resources | 05:13 |
| Lumiere | not sure if that is anywhere but a bzr branch | 05:14 |
| Lumiere | I know pieces of the new skin for teachers/students for CanDo is in cando's trunk | 05:14 |
| Fujitsu | I'll have to merge this all into my branch soon. I'd knocked out most of the unnecessary stuff out (like demographics), and most of it is now in trunk. It'll make maintenance much easier. | 05:14 |
| Fujitsu | Is SchoolTool likely to be migrating to bzr soon? | 05:14 |
| Lumiere | no idea | 05:14 |
| Lumiere | imo svn is working just fine | 05:15 |
| Fujitsu | Except when others want to create branches. | 05:15 |
| Lumiere | that's what svn diff is for imo | 05:15 |
| Fujitsu | Merging with SVN is painful to say the least. | 05:15 |
| Lumiere | my experiences with bzr | 05:16 |
| Fujitsu | So I'm working off the Launchpad bzr import, which works OK. | 05:16 |
| Lumiere | have been woefully slow | 05:16 |
| Fujitsu | It is getting much faster with the last few versions. | 05:16 |
| Lumiere | to the point where if I had to push | 05:16 |
| Lumiere | I'd go eat dinner | 05:16 |
| Fujitsu | It used to be almost impossible to work with. | 05:16 |
| Lumiere | while it was working | 05:16 |
| Lumiere | the revision db seems large too | 05:17 |
| Fujitsu | mplayer still takes a couple of hours to push a new branch of, but my upstream is slow, mplayer is huge, and the bzr smart-server should improve speed. | 05:17 |
| Fujitsu | It is definitely getting better. | 05:17 |
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| jinty | http://ftp.schooltool.org/schooltool/archives/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/ | 12:14 |
| Fujitsu | jinty: You're handling the packaging? | 12:30 |
| jinty | Fujitsu: yeah, more or less | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, that's quite a few new eggs as packages. | 12:30 |
| mgedmin | the buildbot is somewhat unhappy recently | 12:44 |
| mgedmin | is that all due to missing dependencies? | 12:44 |
| * mgedmin prods ignas | 12:48 | |
| ignas | maybe | 12:50 |
| ignas | nah, it's due to pcardune | 12:53 |
| pcardune | jinty told me to let buildbot run the tests... | 12:53 |
| * Fujitsu normally makes tests pass before committing. | 12:53 | |
| * jinty cannot even run the tests | 12:54 | |
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| mgedmin | nothing bad about letting buildbot catch errors, as long as you DROP EVERYTHING AND GO FIX THEM RIGHT AS SOON AS YOU SEE BREAKAGE | 12:56 |
| mgedmin | err | 12:56 |
| mgedmin | this came out louder than I intended | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | :) | 12:57 |
| Fujitsu | mgedmin: I think you need a semi-caps button for that. | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | I was actually looking for a small caps option in open office two days ago, and couldn't find it | 13:04 |
| * Fujitsu hasn't used OOo in a while. | 13:06 | |
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| t3h_sood | Anyone in here know when maddog'll be back up? | 17:11 |
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| eldar | t3h_sood, should be back on monday | 17:19 |
| t3h_sood | *sigh* That basically means that our shortage of work hours is going to be, eh, crappy... | 17:20 |
| t3h_sood | >_< Ah wellz >_< Have a good one peoples. | 17:20 |
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| Lumiere | eldar: I am hoping it is back on monday | 17:58 |
| eldar | yeah ... | 17:59 |
| Lumiere | it's bad | 17:59 |
| Lumiere | Spec, Flint and I were all over there | 17:59 |
| Lumiere | I was there within 20 minutes of the email arriving | 17:59 |
| Lumiere | (I sped... a lot from ACC to YHS) | 17:59 |
| eldar | wait what happened to it? | 18:00 |
| eldar | Lumiere, why did all of you have to go there? | 18:04 |
| Lumiere | the servers are all online | 18:07 |
| Lumiere | there was a reported compromise of the YHS student dmz | 18:08 |
| Lumiere | and jelker threw up a red flag | 18:08 |
| Lumiere | our investigation doesn't show any log messages that are suspicious | 18:09 |
| Lumiere | from any of our devices | 18:09 |
| Lumiere | and especially not from our router | 18:09 |
| eldar | Lumiere, what do you mean a compromise? and red flag? | 18:14 |
| Lumiere | uh | 18:14 |
| Lumiere | the ACPS network admins found what they described as abnormal traffic coming from our router | 18:15 |
| Lumiere | and assumed it's that some piece of our network was broken into | 18:15 |
| eldar | abnormal traffic o.O? | 18:15 |
| Lumiere | yea | 18:15 |
| Lumiere | it's a mess | 18:16 |
| eldar | interns probably download at least a 2 gigs every day | 18:16 |
| eldar | because they build checkouts over and over | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | they described a DoS and requests that shouldn't have been happening | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | I don't know what was really happening on their end | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | we don't get logs from them | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | and the red flag thing is | 18:16 |
| Lumiere | jeff called us all up | 18:17 |
| eldar | so the dmz was taken down? | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | and told us "HELP" | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | the network connection was disabled | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | from their end | 18:17 |
| Lumiere | the dmz is online at yhs | 18:17 |
| eldar | do the acps admins actually know what they're doing? | 18:18 |
| Lumiere | there are moments | 18:18 |
| Lumiere | where I don't think so | 18:18 |
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| jelkner | th1a: morning, tom! | 18:46 |
| th1a | Hi jelkner. | 18:46 |
| jelkner | how are things going? | 18:48 |
| jelkner | we have a big problem on our end | 18:48 |
| jelkner | our network has been shut down | 18:49 |
| * Lumiere notes to /topic | 18:49 | |
| jelkner | th1a: where is pcardune? | 18:50 |
| pcardune | right here | 18:50 |
| pcardune | jelkner: where are you? | 18:50 |
| jelkner | at home | 18:50 |
| jelkner | in my office | 18:50 |
| pcardune | jelkner: so what is this big problem? | 18:51 |
| jelkner | our network admin reported "suspicious activity" coming from our router | 18:51 |
| jelkner | and shut down our network | 18:51 |
| pcardune | did we get hacked or something? | 18:52 |
| jelkner | Lumiere, dragoncow2, and mattva01 all looked at it | 18:52 |
| jelkner | it may be hardware related | 18:52 |
| jelkner | but until we figure this all out, we are shut out | 18:52 |
| jelkner | so we need a plan b | 18:52 |
| pcardune | so, what is "our network"? | 18:53 |
| jelkner | maddog, bonnieb, ghopper | 18:53 |
| jelkner | all the CS lab machines | 18:53 |
| pcardune | hmmm | 18:53 |
| Lumiere | as well as the yhs website | 18:54 |
| th1a | oof. | 18:54 |
| jelkner | pcardune: do you see my message to you? | 18:54 |
| pcardune | no | 18:54 |
| jelkner | hmm... | 18:54 |
| pcardune | jelkner: are you registered? | 18:55 |
| jelkner | i thought i was | 18:55 |
| Lumiere | he's registered maybe not identified | 18:55 |
| jelkner | oh wait, i remember, my registration got changed | 18:56 |
| eldar | yeah, your password isn't our favorite fruit anymore | 18:56 |
| jelkner | eldar: and now i don't remember what it is! | 18:56 |
| eldar | ayu ... | 18:57 |
| jelkner | ah | 18:57 |
| jelkner | let me try | 18:57 |
| pcardune | ha ha | 18:57 |
| jelkner | pcardune: there is nothing funny about getting old! :-( | 18:58 |
| pcardune | jelkner: I was laughing at the banana part | 18:58 |
| eldar | jelkner, did it work? | 18:58 |
| pcardune | i mean, the favorite fruit part | 18:58 |
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| jelkner | i am going to send out an email to the cando lists | 19:08 |
| jelkner | we need to figure out who if anyone was depending on maddog | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and to see how we can move them to another location | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and also how to migrate our cando and timeclock instances to another platform | 19:09 |
| jelkner | Lumiere: did you talk with dwelsh about this? | 19:09 |
| Lumiere | been unable to reach him | 19:11 |
| jelkner | ok, monday then | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i mean tuesday | 19:11 |
| jelkner | since you are away monday | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i'll call him on monday | 19:11 |
| Lumiere | I can make calls monday | 19:11 |
| Lumiere | I still expect all of you here for dev meeting | 19:11 |
| jelkner | and ask him to think about a solution | 19:11 |
| Lumiere | at 10:15 | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i have a doctors appointment at 8:20 | 19:12 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure i'll be back | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | I can confirm that t3h_sood needed maddog | 19:12 |
| jelkner | but i'll try | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | he was on whimpering earlier | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | jelkner: Date: 2007-07-14 11:34:52 -0400 (Sat, 14 Jul 2007) | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | New Revision: 7081 | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | Added: tags/schooltool-2007.0.alpha1/ | 19:12 |
| Lumiere | (and now alpha2) | 19:13 |
| th1a | Hi jelkner. | 19:13 |
| jelkner | th1a: does my private message still not work? | 19:13 |
| jelkner | i changed the password | 19:13 |
| jelkner | and i think it recognized me | 19:14 |
| th1a | jelkner: I saw yours. | 19:14 |
| th1a | Did you see my reply? | 19:14 |
| jelkner | no, i still can't see the reply | 19:14 |
| th1a | OK... | 19:14 |
| * jelkner regrets the loss of his favorite fruit | 19:15 | |
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| * Lumiere otoh does not | 19:15 | |
| th1a | I guess I'm not registered either. | 19:15 |
| Lumiere | hi andrew | 19:15 |
| nitromaster | hello | 19:16 |
| jelkner | th1a: i am registered | 19:17 |
| jelkner | it is you that isn't | 19:17 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:17 |
| jelkner | th1a: did you see my email to mark? | 19:17 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:18 |
| Lumiere | th1a: it'd be nice if tests were fixed soon :) | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | hmm | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | s/th1a/pcardune/ | 19:20 |
| th1a | Hm. | 19:20 |
| Lumiere | it's your change from section code to section title | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | borked cando ftests | 19:21 |
| th1a | Well... what do you suggest we do? | 19:23 |
| Lumiere | fix? | 19:24 |
| th1a | Change your ftests. | 19:25 |
| Lumiere | *changes* | 19:30 |
| Lumiere | well | 19:30 |
| Lumiere | *runs tests* | 19:30 |
| Lumiere | *fails* | 19:34 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: I don't have any sense of how extensive the failures are. | 19:37 |
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| Lumiere | th1a: it's the Code -> Title interface change | 19:38 |
| Lumiere | I am just taking the oppurtunity to change all those to use setup.addSection | 19:38 |
| th1a | Yes, but is it horribly breaking all kinds of tests or just a minor inconvenience. | 19:39 |
| Lumiere | just a few for CanDo | 19:39 |
| Lumiere | I bet it broke more for you | 19:39 |
| Lumiere | I just also try not to commit if there are actual developers around | 19:41 |
| th1a | If it broke any for us we fixed them. | 19:52 |
| th1a | I mean, it wasn't an accident. | 19:52 |
| Lumiere | I know | 19:58 |
| Lumiere | I just fail at fixing them for whatever reason | 19:58 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I really can't stand your clicky drop down menus <_< | 20:00 |
| Lumiere | they drive me nuts | 20:00 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Go to the menus at the top of every window you've ever used. | 20:06 |
| th1a | Do you have to click them? | 20:07 |
| ignas | pcardune: http://localhost:7080/++etc++site/default/RootErrorReportingUtility/ | 20:08 |
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| spec | schooltool/cando...python2.4 or python2.5? | 22:55 |
| eldar | 2.4 | 22:59 |
| eldar | all zope3 stuff is 3.4 | 22:59 |
| eldar | i mean 2.4* | 22:59 |
| spec | why's there a dependency for libc6-dev? | 23:00 |
| spec | and libicu-dev? intensive care unit-dev? | 23:00 |
| eldar | iono, but schooltool needs them | 23:05 |
| spec | so it won't work with python2.5? | 23:18 |
| eldar | nope | 23:18 |
| spec | hmm, i'm gonna have to do a lot of work to get python2.4 working it seems | 23:19 |
| eldar | why? | 23:19 |
| eldar | it should be easy, what distro are you using? | 23:19 |
| spec | mistral ^.^ | 23:19 |
| eldar | oh, yeah ... Well, good luck :) | 23:19 |
| spec | maemo/mistral -> arm processor | 23:19 |
| spec | i think i'll work on this monday | 23:20 |
| spec | laters | 23:20 |
| eldar | cya | 23:20 |
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