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| Lumiere | here | 16:03 |
| Lumiere | 1 hour to CanDo pre-sprint meeting | 16:03 |
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| eldar | I'm here | 16:49 |
| eldar | greets to all | 16:49 |
| ignas | hi | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | ho | 16:54 |
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| pcardune | i'm here | 17:01 |
| eldar | are jeff and dave coming? | 17:01 |
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| pcardune | supposedly | 17:03 |
| Lumiere | hi | 17:03 |
| pcardune | eldar: did you ever check out that code? | 17:03 |
| Lumiere | well I guess I'll poke welsh | 17:03 |
| eldar | pcardune: yeah, ooh i see you made a new commit | 17:04 |
| eldar | lemme update | 17:04 |
| pcardune | the rounded corners look even nicer in firefox 3 alpha | 17:05 |
| Lumiere | lol | 17:05 |
| pcardune | eldar: you'll have to kill the instance to, because data structures changed a bunch | 17:05 |
| eldar | oh ok | 17:05 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: this is called advanced planning | 17:05 |
| Lumiere | *pulls out a mallet* | 17:05 |
| eldar | lol | 17:05 |
| eldar | so what's the agenda for the meeting> | 17:06 |
| pcardune | so what if -moz-border-radius isn't standard css... | 17:06 |
| pcardune | it's not like the ie folks play by the rules... | 17:06 |
| Lumiere | ok, dwelsh in 2 minutes | 17:06 |
| Lumiere | he's walking into ACC now | 17:06 |
| pcardune | ok | 17:06 |
| Lumiere | elkner... not so sure | 17:06 |
| eldar | jelknre? should I call him? | 17:06 |
| pcardune | the agenda is, what are people working on at the sprint | 17:06 |
| Lumiere | I tried the office line | 17:06 |
| pcardune | I know you guys got my email regarding that | 17:07 |
| pcardune | I can resend if necessary | 17:07 |
| Lumiere | I got it | 17:08 |
| Lumiere | the time for the sprint is 9-4pm | 17:08 |
| Lumiere | at 4 I am kicking everyone out, because I need to leave and I'll be the last ACPS employee there | 17:08 |
| eldar | pm | 17:09 |
| eldar | alright, let's start from the top | 17:09 |
| eldar | alan, what does he need | 17:09 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh will be out of town, jelkner is leaving mid day | 17:09 |
| pcardune | I'm also leaving mid day | 17:09 |
| pcardune | unless I feel like staying up rediculously late | 17:09 |
| pcardune | in fact, I think I have to leave for the airport before the sprint even finishes | 17:10 |
| pcardune | and I leave for the airport at 4am :) | 17:10 |
| Lumiere | that's about the time when the sprint ends I think | 17:10 |
| pcardune | then oddly enough, I get in to seattle at 7am on the same day... *weird* | 17:10 |
| pcardune | anyhow, is there any particular person we'd like to start with? | 17:11 |
| pcardune | otherwise I'll just start with Alan | 17:11 |
| pcardune | as he is already first on my list | 17:11 |
| Lumiere | just start with Alan | 17:11 |
| pcardune | alan is working on threaded journal entries | 17:11 |
| pcardune | from the commits he is partially there | 17:12 |
| Lumiere | that's good to hear | 17:12 |
| pcardune | I believe he just needs to work on the UI part | 17:12 |
| eldar | what is he committing to? | 17:12 |
| pcardune | I can help him with that | 17:12 |
| eldar | i'm not getting anything on the cando-commit list | 17:12 |
| pcardune | he is committing his own branch | 17:12 |
| pcardune | for some reason those are not showing up in the cando-commit list | 17:12 |
| eldar | i see | 17:13 |
| pcardune | i pinged jinty about it, but never got back to him on more debug info he wanted | 17:13 |
| pcardune | but you can subscribe to an RSS feed of any src tree via trac (it is sweet) | 17:13 |
| pcardune | so that is what I'm using at this point | 17:13 |
| eldar | ok | 17:13 |
| pcardune | So I'll help alan with the journal threading stuff | 17:13 |
| pcardune | Next on my list is Will and Brittney | 17:14 |
| pcardune | they've been working on parsing the xml file for SEPG | 17:14 |
| pcardune | I recently gave them some tips on possible architectural changes they should make | 17:14 |
| pcardune | I think the main thing they need help with form a high level perspective, is understanding how the XML should map to data structures | 17:15 |
| pcardune | particularly with respect to global IDs and references | 17:15 |
| pcardune | Will Dickerson is our resident XML parsing no it all, so I think he should help them out on that | 17:16 |
| eldar | do they have a grasp on the entire data structure? | 17:16 |
| pcardune | they have a grasp, but there are some flaws | 17:16 |
| pcardune | it seems like the XML file itself might be kind of odd as well | 17:17 |
| pcardune | it might be a good idea if we could somehow get in contact with welsh's brother, and ask him what his intent was with the xml stuff | 17:17 |
| pcardune | from what I saw, it seems like there is some duplication going on, which makes parsing less trivial | 17:18 |
| pcardune | especially trying to decide where the objects should be stored, and where just references to the objects should be stores | 17:18 |
| pcardune | d | 17:18 |
| pcardune | so, I want Will Dickerson to do a little training session in xml parsing with them | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | I have a feeling on this | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | which is that the XML data is built off actual classes | 17:19 |
| pcardune | while either me eldar or jason can work with them on the data structure stuff | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | and the SEPG doesn't really care about the classes... but I don't know how much data has to be held | 17:19 |
| eldar | what is this SEPG thing? | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | and what can be dumped | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | Student Elective Planning Guide | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | it's a program to let people see how a technical set of classes could go for them | 17:20 |
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| Lumiere | if the ACC website was working | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | I'd point you to it | 17:20 |
| pcardune | they are converting that windows app to a zope3 app | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:20 |
| pcardune | what was it written in again? | 17:20 |
| eldar | i see | 17:20 |
| pcardune | wb | 17:20 |
| pcardune | vb* | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | vb | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | great, welsh got grabbed going into ACC | 17:21 |
| pcardune | I think either Lumiere or eldar should work with them on deciding what needs to be included | 17:21 |
| pcardune | or maybe both of you | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | may have to be both of us for 5-10 minutes at a whiteboard | 17:22 |
| pcardune | yeah, that would be a good idea | 17:22 |
| eldar | alright, i'll need a run through the way | 17:22 |
| eldar | the app works though | 17:22 |
| eldar | is there like a layout | 17:22 |
| pcardune | maybe Lumiere can find a windows box to demo it on | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | that I can do | 17:22 |
| eldar | that'd be great | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | I just have to break into the office | 17:22 |
| eldar | lol | 17:23 |
| Lumiere | and with my luck | 17:23 |
| Lumiere | I may have to break into the ACC network closet | 17:23 |
| pcardune | so, jason + eldar on SEPG design and Will Dickerson on nxml API tutorial | 17:23 |
| pcardune | next up we have Will Dickerson, who is working on SIF stuff | 17:23 |
| pcardune | He needs some help with handling schooltool events | 17:24 |
| eldar | rest suff? | 17:24 |
| pcardune | which may also involve modifying schooltool code, or at least seeing where it *should* be modified to throw some more helpful events | 17:24 |
| pcardune | no, not REST, but SIF | 17:25 |
| eldar | i don't really know how to handle schooltool events | 17:25 |
| eldar | is there a handler in schooltool? | 17:25 |
| pcardune | well, schooltool events are just like any other events | 17:25 |
| pcardune | you just register subscribers for them | 17:25 |
| pcardune | there aren't actually any schooltool specific events | 17:25 |
| pcardune | the containers just use stuff like IObjectModifiedEvent and the like | 17:26 |
| pcardune | which should probably be enough | 17:26 |
| pcardune | Anyhow, I think Will Dickerson has some inertia going as it is, so we should work with other folks first | 17:26 |
| pcardune | or rather... momentum | 17:27 |
| pcardune | inertia and momentum are the same thing right? | 17:27 |
| Lumiere | as long as Will's got continued momentum in the +x direction let him be | 17:27 |
| eldar | lol ... | 17:27 |
| pcardune | i always confuse myself with that | 17:27 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: close | 17:27 |
| eldar | inertia is mass, momentum is inertia in motion | 17:27 |
| pcardune | i knew it! | 17:27 |
| Lumiere | yea | 17:27 |
| Lumiere | Physics, YAY! | 17:27 |
| Lumiere | I am hoping my laptop ships today :) | 17:28 |
| pcardune | yeah, it would be nice if you eldar could peak over his shoulder and find out as much as you can about the SIF stuff, because Will Dickerson won't be doing SIF over the summer | 17:28 |
| pcardune | i've only had the time to take a cursory look at it | 17:28 |
| Lumiere | I will have to join him | 17:28 |
| pcardune | next on my list is Filip | 17:29 |
| eldar | alright, i've never dealt with it, i'll need to get familiar with it so i can help whoever is taking over | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh wants me to coodinate the SIF people | 17:29 |
| pcardune | yeah, that is the idea with the shoulder peaking :) | 17:29 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: I think the more people who have an idea of how SIF is working the better | 17:29 |
| pcardune | so go to it | 17:29 |
| eldar | alright, so Filip needs help generating forms | 17:29 |
| eldar | what forms? | 17:29 |
| pcardune | it is a spec on launchpad | 17:30 |
| pcardune | teachers want printable forms where they can manually write in numbers on paper on a clipboard | 17:30 |
| Lumiere | ignas: ayt? | 17:30 |
| pcardune | Filip has yet to do anything with schooltool/cando, so he needs help building momentum and knowing where to start | 17:30 |
| ignas | yes | 17:30 |
| Lumiere | ignas: are there any documents on the pdf creation libaries use in schooltool? | 17:31 |
| pcardune | he should be worked with early on | 17:31 |
| pcardune | *that* would be slick | 17:31 |
| eldar | alright, i can walk with him through the virginia module | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: pdf generation seems to me to be the easiest/safest way to generate it | 17:31 |
| pcardune | I wouldn't mind if we had a pdf generation person on the CanDo team, as reporting is going to become more and more important | 17:32 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: the easiest way is html | 17:32 |
| Lumiere | yea that'd be the other reason for it | 17:32 |
| eldar | so you want filip to start laying groundwork for that? | 17:33 |
| pcardune | so, while Dickerson gives William and Brittney the nxml tut, you eldar can help Filip find his way around cando | 17:33 |
| ignas | well - it's reportlab, so you can read about it on the net | 17:33 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:33 |
| ignas | and yes - html with print CSS is more convenient | 17:34 |
| pcardune | and if you need pdfs for transportability... "print to pdf" :) | 17:34 |
| Lumiere | that works | 17:34 |
| ignas | pcardune: do you have my print.css in cando already? | 17:35 |
| pcardune | PDFs will really be necessary for generating antialiased graphs | 17:35 |
| pcardune | ignas: no | 17:35 |
| ignas | hmm, i thought it was in trunk already | 17:35 |
| pcardune | unless your print.css is in schooltool trunk | 17:35 |
| pcardune | in which case yes we do have it! | 17:36 |
| pcardune | so yeah, i guess we do have it, just no one has used it yet | 17:36 |
| ignas | try print preview | 17:36 |
| ignas | it should work automatically | 17:36 |
| pcardune | ok | 17:36 |
| pcardune | cool | 17:36 |
| eldar | do skill drivers even work? | 17:37 |
| pcardune | yes | 17:37 |
| eldar | you rewrote it? | 17:37 |
| pcardune | skill drivers work like nobody's business | 17:37 |
| pcardune | i did some refactoring yes | 17:37 |
| eldar | what do you mean by quarterly group | 17:37 |
| eldar | on the spec | 17:37 |
| pcardune | plus some really crazy stuff with traversers | 17:37 |
| pcardune | quaterly group is *not* implemented yet | 17:37 |
| Lumiere | quarterly group hopefully is related to skill drivers | 17:38 |
| pcardune | yes, we need more discussion on that stuff | 17:38 |
| pcardune | but that will be for another meeting I think | 17:38 |
| pcardune | shall we move on to the next person on my list? | 17:39 |
| eldar | alright | 17:39 |
| pcardune | Andrew | 17:39 |
| pcardune | he has been on a brief hiatus due to schooling | 17:39 |
| pcardune | he is working on attachments for journal entries | 17:39 |
| pcardune | I am working on some curriculum infrastructure updates that will probably supersede what he is doing, so I might pull him in to what I'm working on | 17:40 |
| Lumiere | I think you're right, I'd pull him now | 17:41 |
| pcardune | But i'm planning on working a lot with andrew, as I'll be meeting him in vilnius | 17:41 |
| Lumiere | if you find that you still need his work we can put him back on it | 17:41 |
| pcardune | well his work is being integrated into my work | 17:41 |
| pcardune | so he can work on it under my modifications | 17:41 |
| pcardune | so i'm looking to bring his momentum back up and hopefully he will be more in the clear as far as school work is concerned | 17:42 |
| pcardune | anyhow, those all the people I have on my list | 17:43 |
| eldar | alright | 17:43 |
| pcardune | the rest are working on non zope stuff | 17:43 |
| eldar | masood and his group | 17:44 |
| eldar | what to do with them? | 17:44 |
| Lumiere | and I assume that gpaci, jelkner and company are going to deal with that part | 17:44 |
| Lumiere | what is their group on? | 17:44 |
| gpaci | Who invoketh the name of gpaci? | 17:44 |
| eldar | hey george | 17:44 |
| eldar | how are ya | 17:44 |
| pcardune | they were once upon a time going to be working on scheduling | 17:44 |
| Lumiere | ah | 17:44 |
| pcardune | like, submitting schedules ttw | 17:44 |
| gpaci | Hola, Señor Omuraliev. | 17:44 |
| Lumiere | I think they're playing with it | 17:45 |
| Lumiere | imo we should get them off it asap | 17:45 |
| Lumiere | it's a time sink | 17:45 |
| eldar | i think | 17:45 |
| eldar | we need | 17:45 |
| pcardune | but I haven't heard anything from them in quite some time | 17:45 |
| eldar | to split them | 17:45 |
| eldar | from each other | 17:45 |
| eldar | masood | 17:45 |
| eldar | is really hyper | 17:45 |
| Lumiere | you are probably right | 17:45 |
| eldar | and drags the group | 17:45 |
| eldar | in different directions | 17:45 |
| pcardune | I think the ball is in your guys' court on this one | 17:46 |
| eldar | yeah, we'll deal with i | 17:46 |
| eldar | it* | 17:46 |
| Lumiere | more likely it is in elkner's court and we don't know it | 17:46 |
| Lumiere | but yea, we'll deal with it | 17:46 |
| pcardune | oh, and Chris Beacham and thomas doggette are going to be learning about SIF with will dickerson as well | 17:47 |
| pcardune | and matt gallagher... needs to make timeclock up again | 17:47 |
| pcardune | and make pretty init scripts | 17:47 |
| pcardune | and figure out why maddog can't access svn.zope.org | 17:47 |
| eldar | it's because of ipcop | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | yea | 17:48 |
| eldar | probably, he just needs to open svn ports | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | I need to get elkner to give me root on bonnieb | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | so I can do this stuff | 17:48 |
| eldar | it's matt's responsibility | 17:48 |
| eldar | you shouldn't worry about it | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | not really | 17:48 |
| eldar | i thought he was the admin in training | 17:48 |
| Lumiere | when it comes down to it, any CanDo infrastructure is my responsibility | 17:48 |
| pcardune | well Matt should work *first* if not right now today on making sure people have working environments on maddog | 17:49 |
| eldar | well | 17:49 |
| eldar | i made sure | 17:49 |
| eldar | to upload | 17:49 |
| eldar | cando trunk | 17:49 |
| eldar | already built | 17:49 |
| eldar | onto my maddog account | 17:49 |
| eldar | and it works | 17:49 |
| eldar | so people can just copy | 17:49 |
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| pcardune | ooh ... that is *very* good | 17:49 |
| Lumiere | does cando trunk not-built work? | 17:49 |
| pcardune | not without svn.zope.org.... | 17:49 |
| pcardune | so that is super big first priority | 17:51 |
| eldar | yeah, we're not having an oopsies like last time anymore, and 2006 thing is still hanging, but jeff said it doesn't matter anymore | 17:51 |
| Lumiere | I agree partially with jeff | 17:51 |
| eldar | so we got a working trunk, we're set in terms of that | 17:51 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: in any case, it does not matter for the sprints | 17:51 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:52 |
| pcardune | eldar: what about a straight up zope build? | 17:52 |
| pcardune | could you make a copy of that on maddog | 17:52 |
| pcardune | for those folks who aren't integrating into cando yet (SEPG) | 17:52 |
| eldar | yeah, i can do that too | 17:53 |
| eldar | lemme do it right now | 17:53 |
| pcardune | great | 17:53 |
| pcardune | oh, and Linda is also on the list of attendees | 17:54 |
| eldar | oh yes, she was asking me for the bounties | 17:54 |
| eldar | to work on, but i didn't have the list on me when she asked | 17:54 |
| eldar | i haven't been following her work, what can she work on? | 17:54 |
| Lumiere | I don't have a list of bounties at this point either | 17:54 |
| pcardune | well that is a problem! | 17:55 |
| pcardune | I don't think we have enough bounties | 17:55 |
| pcardune | or at least, bounties that are within reach of most folks | 17:55 |
| pcardune | oh, and I suppose we should also give something to Fred Drake :) | 17:56 |
| Lumiere | fred's going to be there? | 17:56 |
| pcardune | according to http://wiki.python.org/moin/ArlingtonSprint | 17:57 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:57 |
| eldar | alright | 17:58 |
| pcardune | well that is about all I got | 17:58 |
| Lumiere | same for me | 17:58 |
| Lumiere | I am really disappointed in welsh and elkner | 17:58 |
| pcardune | dum dum dum | 17:59 |
| eldar | lol | 17:59 |
| eldar | well, guys | 17:59 |
| eldar | i gotta go graduate | 17:59 |
| pcardune | he he | 17:59 |
| eldar | talk to you tomorrow | 17:59 |
| pcardune | is your graduation today? | 17:59 |
| eldar | yeah | 18:00 |
| pcardune | congrats | 18:00 |
| eldar | thanks | 18:00 |
| pcardune | soon you can kiss arlington good bye | 18:00 |
| pcardune | oh wait... i wasn't supposed to say that... | 18:00 |
| eldar | lol, chantilly | 18:00 |
| Lumiere | lol | 18:00 |
| Lumiere | congrats eldar | 18:00 |
| eldar | thank you | 18:00 |
| eldar | alright, i'm off | 18:00 |
| pcardune | good thing jelkner and and dwelsh weren't here to hear me | 18:00 |
| pcardune | bye | 18:00 |
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| Lumiere | yea | 18:05 |
| Lumiere | *looks at the logs* | 18:05 |
| Lumiere | I gotta go | 18:05 |
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| jelkner | pcardune: good evening... | 18:40 |
| jelkner | planning meeting for tomorrow at noon EST, yes? | 18:41 |
| pcardune | no... it was at 10 | 18:42 |
| pcardune | but you can read the logs | 18:42 |
| pcardune | jelkner: ping | 18:42 |
| jelkner | ping? | 18:42 |
| * jelkner goes to read the logs... | 18:43 | |
| pcardune | jelkner: rounded corners of zcontact look great in firefox 3 alpha | 18:55 |
| jelkner | what is the release schedule for firefox 3? | 18:55 |
| jelkner | i read the transcript | 18:55 |
| jelkner | err... log | 18:55 |
| pcardune | supposedly it will be released sometime in the latter half of this year | 18:56 |
| jelkner | i don't agree with you that it is ok for firefox to break standards | 18:56 |
| jelkner | it makes compatibility a mess | 18:56 |
| pcardune | yeah i know, it was a joke :) | 18:56 |
| pcardune | and don't worry... on non-firefox, the rounded corners just appear without roundedness, and it looks fine too | 18:56 |
| jelkner | great | 18:57 |
| jelkner | that sounds good | 18:57 |
| pcardune | strictly ornamental | 18:57 |
| pcardune | nothing too hackish | 18:57 |
| jelkner | what happened with the bounty question? | 18:57 |
| jelkner | it was raised, but never addressed | 18:57 |
| pcardune | about needing more bounties? | 18:57 |
| jelkner | if we have folks who want work, and we can't give it to them, we are hurting | 18:58 |
| jelkner | yes | 18:58 |
| pcardune | I believe that needed you and welsh's input | 18:58 |
| jelkner | top priority for interns is keeping everyone engaged | 18:58 |
| jelkner | it is really welsh | 18:58 |
| pcardune | I have a number of jobs that would be great bounties but might not be relevant to what you guys see as necessary | 18:58 |
| jelkner | such as? | 18:59 |
| pcardune | like various reports | 18:59 |
| pcardune | like, help pages | 18:59 |
| jelkner | welsh will be totally in support of that! | 18:59 |
| pcardune | well I think he really wanted other things to be a priority | 19:00 |
| jelkner | i've been battling back and forth with welsh and lumiere for weeks about how to thing about this | 19:00 |
| jelkner | this is what i propose: | 19:00 |
| pcardune | at least I think i've mentioned it every once in a blue moon but it doesn't seem to stick much | 19:01 |
| jelkner | 1. top priority items much be done by you and eldar | 19:01 |
| jelkner | or at least they need to be your responsibility | 19:01 |
| jelkner | you can farm out part to folks you trust as you see fit | 19:01 |
| jelkner | 2. interns work on non-critical pieces that help them learn the system | 19:02 |
| jelkner | that is the only way it will work | 19:02 |
| pcardune | I agree with you | 19:02 |
| jelkner | we can make up any pie in the sky list of jobs for interns we wish, but if they lack the skills to follow through, we get nowhere | 19:02 |
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| jelkner | dave is the customer, he sets the priorities | 19:03 |
| jelkner | but it is my job to work with you and eldar to figure out who works on what | 19:03 |
| pcardune | yes | 19:04 |
| jelkner | so tomorrow, you can assign the interns to any worthwhile task you like | 19:04 |
| jelkner | i want them working and learning | 19:04 |
| pcardune | I think the assignments I've given so far are good | 19:04 |
| pcardune | I just need one more thing for Linda | 19:05 |
| jelkner | we don't need to get anyone else's approval to do that | 19:05 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:05 |
| jelkner | and robbie | 19:05 |
| pcardune | oh robbie... I didn't see him on the list | 19:05 |
| pcardune | is he going to be there tomorrow? | 19:05 |
| jelkner | i think so | 19:05 |
| jelkner | he told me in class he would be | 19:05 |
| pcardune | ok, it's just not on the wiki | 19:05 |
| pcardune | there are also timeclock related tasks that I wouldn't mind seeing happen | 19:06 |
| jelkner | yeah, i asked him to add his name, but he didn't | 19:06 |
| jelkner | oh, about timeclock | 19:06 |
| jelkner | i already have another customer for it ;-) | 19:06 |
| pcardune | are they paying customers? | 19:06 |
| jelkner | our NHS (National Honor Society) advisory group is responsible for keeping track of all the community service hours of all NHS members. | 19:07 |
| jelkner | it is a nightmare of paper work | 19:07 |
| jelkner | and timeclock would be just the thing to make it manageable | 19:07 |
| jelkner | i'm sure i could get yorktown to put in some funding for it | 19:08 |
| jelkner | i'm going to write up the user stories and ask you for an estimate | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and then approach the committee and our principal with the request | 19:09 |
| pcardune | because i don't think we'll be able to divert much more funds to timeclock | 19:09 |
| pcardune | it does mostly what we need at the moment | 19:09 |
| pcardune | am I here yet? | 19:09 |
| jelkner | ? | 19:09 |
| pcardune | oh, well that sounds good | 19:10 |
| jelkner | we still have a few things to add | 19:10 |
| pcardune | my wireless went down for a few seconds | 19:10 |
| jelkner | like tracking the workflow of the timesheets | 19:10 |
| jelkner | we need reports | 19:10 |
| jelkner | so we can show concrete data on how long it takes to get you folks paid | 19:10 |
| pcardune | yes | 19:11 |
| pcardune | well at the moment, it takes a long time | 19:11 |
| pcardune | are you going to see Matt today? | 19:11 |
| jelkner | too long! | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i don't think so | 19:11 |
| jelkner | we are in finals now | 19:11 |
| pcardune | oh | 19:11 |
| jelkner | in fact, i need to get back to work | 19:11 |
| pcardune | because timeclock.yhspatriot.net is still down and I have hours to track! | 19:11 |
| jelkner | matt will be there tomorrow morning | 19:12 |
| jelkner | so will you | 19:12 |
| pcardune | yeah, i'll remind him then | 19:12 |
| jelkner | i'll call him tonight to let him know what a priority that is | 19:12 |
| pcardune | ok | 19:12 |
| jelkner | anyway, i only have two big concerns: | 19:12 |
| jelkner | 1. is everything we need to get folks working on maddog there now? | 19:12 |
| jelkner | 2. are you prepared to improvise tomorrow morning with giving useful tasks to interns? | 19:13 |
| pcardune | yes and yes | 19:14 |
| pcardune | as per 1. | 19:14 |
| jelkner | remember the following distinction: | 19:14 |
| pcardune | we still can't reach svn.zope.org from maddog | 19:14 |
| pcardune | and that should really be Matt's top priority | 19:14 |
| jelkner | 1. interns - they get paid an agreed amount to work and learn all Summer | 19:14 |
| pcardune | but Eldar put up a fully functional cando build on maddog so people can copy from that if all else fails | 19:14 |
| pcardune | he also has a zope3 build just in case | 19:15 |
| jelkner | we can be a little less clear with them, since it won't be a hardship if they work on something one week, and something else the next | 19:15 |
| jelkner | 2. consultants (linda, robbie, whaddon, aelkner) | 19:15 |
| jelkner | they get paid by bounty | 19:15 |
| pcardune | I'm sticking with all the assigments we discussed in the meeting | 19:15 |
| Lumiere | 'noon | 19:15 |
| jelkner | so we need to be sure that they have clear tasks that they can complete and for which they can receive payment | 19:16 |
| pcardune | for linda robbie and whaddon, we need some more bounties | 19:16 |
| pcardune | i.e. reporting and help docs and timeclock stuff | 19:16 |
| Lumiere | bounties need to be for portions of a user story | 19:16 |
| jelkner | and for andrew as well | 19:16 |
| Lumiere | some of the user stories are too big to be 1 bounty | 19:16 |
| jelkner | and perhaps for filip | 19:16 |
| jelkner | who may want to just go after bounties | 19:17 |
| pcardune | is filip not going to be an intern? | 19:17 |
| pcardune | oh i see | 19:17 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 19:17 |
| jelkner | he seems *highly* motiviated | 19:17 |
| pcardune | yeah, that is the most important thing | 19:17 |
| Lumiere | I think being an intern and doing bounties can be done at the same time | 19:17 |
| Lumiere | as long as working on bounties happens outside the 20 hours of intern time | 19:17 |
| jelkner | no, it can't | 19:17 |
| jelkner | oh, yes | 19:17 |
| jelkner | but i don't think that is necessarily a good idea | 19:18 |
| jelkner | for the following reasons: | 19:18 |
| pcardune | yeah, that line will be kinda fuzzy | 19:18 |
| jelkner | 1. we don't yet know what they are capable of | 19:18 |
| jelkner | 2. we don't want to get into a situation where we are wrangling with them over payment | 19:18 |
| jelkner | let's keep it simple and clear | 19:19 |
| jelkner | one or the other | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | ok | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | I just have a feeling | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | if they start on bounties | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | and aren't quite up to it | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | now they're also screwed out of the 1500 | 19:19 |
| Lumiere | because they won't be interns | 19:19 |
| jelkner | the only one we are talking about is filip | 19:20 |
| jelkner | everyone else is an intern, period | 19:20 |
| pcardune | filip should be an intern | 19:20 |
| pcardune | period also | 19:20 |
| jelkner | ok | 19:20 |
| jelkner | if you say so | 19:20 |
| jelkner | i'll go along with that | 19:20 |
| pcardune | I think he has the best grasp of zope3 at this point | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | we may want to have some way of giving bonuses to people who are interns who make critical mass | 19:21 |
| pcardune | out of all the interns | 19:21 |
| Lumiere | and are really able to do dev | 19:21 |
| pcardune | I think the bonus is being hired as a dev for a nice hourly wage :) | 19:21 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:21 |
| jelkner | that's true | 19:21 |
| jelkner | the big difference now is what kind of work we give them to do | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | I guess | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | just because they're an intern | 19:22 |
| jelkner | interns get non-critical work | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | doesn't mean we can't give them good work | 19:22 |
| jelkner | consultants get more critical work | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | I don't care whether they're intern or consultant | 19:22 |
| pcardune | here is the thing I'm looking for... i'm looking for an intern who starts doing critical work for fun | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | work goes to anyone who is qualified | 19:22 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: I agree | 19:23 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:23 |
| pcardune | I want an intern to come in one morning and say, "i was playing around with traversal adapters last night and check out this cool thing I did" | 19:23 |
| jelkner | a few other issues: | 19:24 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: we should let them know that there is that chance to move up | 19:24 |
| Lumiere | if they are motivated to learn things like that | 19:24 |
| jelkner | - there seems to be a confusion between chris carey (who is working with wdickers on stAgent) | 19:24 |
| jelkner | and chris beacham, who is not | 19:24 |
| pcardune | why can't they just have different names? | 19:24 |
| Lumiere | lol | 19:25 |
| jelkner | and one of either mounika or mary is moving to stAgent tomorrow as well | 19:25 |
| jelkner | so you may have over booked wdickers | 19:25 |
| pcardune | ok, well we'll see tomorrow morning | 19:25 |
| jelkner | so be ready to be flexible | 19:26 |
| jelkner | and quick on your toes | 19:26 |
| jelkner | the last thing i wanted to ask about is the folks doing course scheduling | 19:26 |
| pcardune | what is that management rule again... one person can only reasonably manage 7 other people? | 19:26 |
| pcardune | yes, I haven't heard from them in weeks | 19:26 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: sounds about right | 19:26 |
| pcardune | if not months | 19:26 |
| jelkner | yes, so you should really schedule work with alan for some other time | 19:27 |
| jelkner | and let him help you manage others tomorrow | 19:27 |
| Lumiere | as far as I am concerned, the course scheduling people are to be split up and put on other projects | 19:27 |
| jelkner | that is the other part of the plan i didn't like when i read the log | 19:27 |
| jelkner | i will talk to them tomorrow | 19:27 |
| pcardune | like I said, ball's in your guys' court on this one | 19:27 |
| Lumiere | it has nothing to do with cando, and it seems to be a time sink | 19:27 |
| jelkner | it has a lot to do with schooltool | 19:28 |
| jelkner | and it is a good project if they actually do work on it | 19:28 |
| jelkner | but if they don't, of course, then it isn't worth anything | 19:28 |
| Lumiere | imo it's too big a project to start them on | 19:28 |
| Lumiere | I am going to get some food | 19:28 |
| Lumiere | back in 15 | 19:28 |
| jelkner | particularly if they don't do any work | 19:28 |
| jelkner | i'll be gone by then | 19:29 |
| jelkner | pcardune: to finish up | 19:29 |
| pcardune | yes | 19:29 |
| jelkner | you, eldar, alan, wdickers, and i should make it our top priority to manage and help interns | 19:29 |
| jelkner | don't plan to be getting much done yourself | 19:30 |
| pcardune | oh I wasn't planning on that at all | 19:30 |
| pcardune | lol | 19:30 |
| jelkner | it sounded like you wanted to pair with alan? | 19:30 |
| pcardune | no no, i was just going to give him some pointers | 19:30 |
| jelkner | oh, fine | 19:30 |
| pcardune | i just said me because I have a very specific idea of the pointers I'm going to give him | 19:31 |
| jelkner | for the summer, i plan to tell everyone the following: | 19:31 |
| pcardune | where as I don't have specific pointer ideas for other folks | 19:31 |
| jelkner | when they have a problem, they bring it to eldar | 19:31 |
| jelkner | when eldar has a problem, he brings it to you | 19:31 |
| jelkner | and when you have a problem, you bring it to ignas ;-) | 19:31 |
| jelkner | so that will keep you from spending too much time dealing with questions | 19:32 |
| pcardune | then to marius then to jim, then to... | 19:32 |
| jelkner | god | 19:32 |
| pcardune | maybe guido.. and and then god | 19:32 |
| pcardune | lol | 19:32 |
| jelkner | anyway, i will be always encouraging them to help each other before asking you | 19:32 |
| pcardune | yeah, helping each other is a really great thing. | 19:33 |
| jelkner | as the summer progresses, we will be successful if they are doing that more and more | 19:33 |
| jelkner | i know william and brittney will be a big helpd | 19:33 |
| jelkner | help | 19:33 |
| jelkner | they were great with other students in class during the year | 19:34 |
| jelkner | ok, sounds like we're ready | 19:34 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow morning, 8:30 am my time | 19:34 |
| pcardune | yep | 19:34 |
| pcardune | bye bye | 19:34 |
| jelkner | over and out... | 19:35 |
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