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| ACSpike | g'morning ignas | 14:28 |
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| ignas | hi | 14:28 |
| ACSpike | ignas: do you work on schooltool fulltime? | 14:28 |
| ignas | yes | 14:28 |
| ACSpike | excellent | 14:29 |
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| Lumiere | morning all | 16:28 |
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| th1a | Good morning Lumiere, jfroche, ignas. | 16:30 |
| ignas | hi | 16:31 |
| jfroche | hello | 16:31 |
| th1a | I was detained by a brief coffee disaster. | 16:31 |
| th1a | No sugar! | 16:31 |
| ignas | :) | 16:31 |
| th1a | In Rhode Island we're known for drinking our coffee with absurd amounts of milk and sugar. | 16:32 |
| th1a | Want to start us off, ignas? How's the journal coming? | 16:32 |
| ignas | got it mostly tested now, and now i am trying to arange a meeting with Lyceum to discuss what should go next, and whether i should deploy it now, or a bit later | 16:33 |
| th1a | Are they using the calendar in production now? | 16:33 |
| ignas | not much | 16:34 |
| ignas | lack of publicity ... | 16:34 |
| ignas | i will talk to them about that too | 16:34 |
| th1a | That is understandable. | 16:34 |
| th1a | It is hard to introduce things mid-year. | 16:34 |
| th1a | Of course, there are always lots of other things to introduce at the beginning of the year, so that's hard too. | 16:35 |
| th1a | But it is running at the school now? | 16:35 |
| ignas | no it is still running on our servers, because well - it's more convenient | 16:36 |
| ignas | they know the url though, and don | 16:36 |
| ignas | don't have any problems with data being on our servers | 16:36 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:36 |
| th1a | So the big checkin today is the current journal code? | 16:37 |
| ignas | yes | 16:37 |
| th1a | OK. Cool. | 16:37 |
| ignas | so that pcardune and jfroche could start looking at it | 16:37 |
| ignas | and see if there is anything that would be useful to them as well | 16:37 |
| jfroche | ok but dont think it will be the same here | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | I'll check with paul. | 16:38 |
| th1a | jfroche: I think the overlap is that ultimately schools will want the journal results to end up in the reports you're working on. | 16:39 |
| jfroche | right | 16:39 |
| th1a | ignas: Anything else? | 16:39 |
| ignas | th1a: no not really, it was a slow week, as i spent some time catching up with what's going in PoV | 16:40 |
| ignas | th1a: but i am catching up with schooltool now | 16:40 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:40 |
| th1a | jfroche: What's up on your end? | 16:40 |
| jfroche | i begin with the first story | 16:40 |
| jfroche | which is the configuration of the daily work periods | 16:41 |
| jfroche | this will define the layout of the report | 16:41 |
| jfroche | i will meet the school this week to get more info about the calendar stuff | 16:42 |
| jfroche | and how do they handle the numerical version of their calendars in the year | 16:42 |
| th1a | Numerical? | 16:43 |
| jfroche | euh i mean the software which generate the timetable of the school | 16:43 |
| jfroche | which looks like a dark proprietary software | 16:43 |
| th1a | Ah. | 16:43 |
| jfroche | anyway i will speak with the guy in charge of this | 16:43 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:44 |
| th1a | jfroche: Anything else? | 16:45 |
| jfroche | euh no nothing else | 16:45 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Anything to add from CanDo-land? | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | yea | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | sprint saturday | 16:46 |
| Lumiere | we're working out a bounty system for bugs and features | 16:46 |
| th1a | Good. | 16:46 |
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| th1a | Lumiere: Using LaunchPad? | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | does LP have an actual bounty system | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | or just the mentoring | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | I think we're going to use it in our timeclock system | 16:47 |
| th1a | There are bounties in there somewhere, or there were. | 16:47 |
| Lumiere | ok | 16:47 |
| th1a | I don't know if the bounties are really integrated at this point. | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | ah | 16:48 |
| th1a | I'll have to look. | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | pcardune has 90% of our timeclock app done | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | it will include bounties | 16:48 |
| th1a | We may have some SchoolTool bounties next year. | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | that's good | 16:48 |
| th1a | Is timeclock SchoolTool or just Zope 3? | 16:48 |
| Lumiere | zope3 | 16:49 |
| th1a | Lumiere: So the sprint ran into lots of build problems. | 16:49 |
| Lumiere | yes | 16:49 |
| Lumiere | hopefully pcardune can talk with the zope3 developers and ignas and get our trunk working again | 16:50 |
| Lumiere | without having to work around to figure out what is up | 16:51 |
| th1a | Hm... the logbot seems to have not captured the conversation. | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | I have it then | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | I log everything from my days as freenode staff | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | my big thing for this week is to get dwelsh | 16:51 |
| th1a | I didn't come away with a sense of what the key problems are. | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | nor did I really | 16:52 |
| th1a | There was the one with a missing Zope config file. | 16:52 |
| Lumiere | dwelsh needs to complete the writing of user stories | 16:52 |
| Lumiere | pcardune couldn't give bounties or much of anything | 16:52 |
| Lumiere | because they weren't complete to him | 16:53 |
| Lumiere | so I am gonna take the baseball bat to work today | 16:53 |
| Lumiere | and keep him from leaving his office | 16:53 |
| Lumiere | till he does it | 16:53 |
| th1a | Getting back to the build problems... | 16:53 |
| th1a | Is there anything we should be doing on the SchoolTool end. | 16:53 |
| Lumiere | ignas and pcardune | 16:54 |
| Lumiere | need to have a chat and figure out what is up | 16:54 |
| th1a | If developers can't get SchoolTool to build, it is a problem. | 16:54 |
| Lumiere | yea | 16:54 |
| th1a | However, it works for me, so it is hard to sort out what is going on -- people seem to be running into different bugs. | 16:55 |
| Lumiere | yes | 16:55 |
| th1a | I'm not sure if it is because of running on edgy, or running multiple versions of Python, or what. | 16:55 |
| ACSpike[Work] | is the build problem recent? I built it last week fine. | 16:55 |
| Lumiere | it may be | 16:55 |
| th1a | I did a clean checkout on Saturday that worked. | 16:55 |
| Lumiere | ACSpike[Work]: not sure | 16:55 |
| th1a | (that is, in the middle of the conversation about its broken-ness) | 16:56 |
| Lumiere | yea | 16:56 |
| th1a | The interns probably need a very boring explanation about what happens when you've got multiple Pythons installed, and multiple versions of the same package installed in different ways. | 16:57 |
| ignas | i can't really help in any way unless i see the log | 16:57 |
| Lumiere | ignas: I will pull the log out | 16:58 |
| th1a | Lumiere: If you could send some excerpts to the dev list so jinty can see them as well. | 16:58 |
| th1a | That would be helpful. | 16:58 |
| Lumiere | ok | 16:58 |
| ACSpike[Work] | multiple pythons isn't a big problem is it? just have to know which python runs which code | 16:58 |
| Lumiere | bigger then you think | 16:58 |
| ACSpike[Work] | luckily I've never had a problem with it | 16:59 |
| th1a | If you don't understand you need to say "python2.4" instead of just "python" it is a problem. | 16:59 |
| th1a | And you might have to change the Makefile, etc. | 16:59 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh, I guess I usually install them in different prefixes | 16:59 |
| th1a | And SchoolTool doesn't work with Python 2.5 yet, right? | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | on most debians | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | can use 2.4/2.5 at the same time | 17:00 |
| th1a | ignas: Can you run SchoolTool on 2.5? | 17:02 |
| ignas | no | 17:02 |
| th1a | OK... perhaps we need to make that more prominent. | 17:02 |
| th1a | In the documentation. | 17:02 |
| th1a | Does ST require 2.4? Will it run on 2.3? | 17:03 |
| ignas | 2.4 | 17:03 |
| ignas | won't run on 2.3 | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:04 |
| Lumiere | we may need to think about a configure script of sorts | 17:04 |
| Lumiere | so on make it checks this stuff | 17:04 |
| th1a | Probably just tighten up the Makefile to catch problems? | 17:04 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:04 |
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| Lumiere | a make check that make forces to be called on make all | 17:05 |
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| Lumiere | just the man I was looking for... mattva01 | 17:05 |
| mattva01 | heh | 17:06 |
| mattva01 | in the flesh :) | 17:06 |
| Lumiere | th1a: mattva01 is working on CanDo packaging | 17:06 |
| th1a | Hi mattva01. | 17:06 |
| mattva01 | hello | 17:06 |
| mattva01 | yep, but I need a plan | 17:07 |
| ACSpike[Work] | ignas: what are the sorts of things that make schooltool incompatible with 2.5? | 17:07 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I wanted him to come on so we could walk through the schooltool/cand release plan | 17:08 |
| ignas | ACSpike[Work]: Zope3 does not support python 2.5 | 17:08 |
| th1a | OK. That's fine with me. | 17:08 |
| ACSpike[Work] | oh | 17:08 |
| th1a | We've got 20 minutes left and nothing pressing. | 17:08 |
| ACSpike[Work] | ignas: the tight coupling between zope versions and python versions is a bit disconcerting sometimes :-/ | 17:09 |
| ignas | ACSpike[Work]: it's not tight coupling, any project of such magnitude will have things that do not play nicely with a different python | 17:09 |
| Lumiere | and the final things are, I've set a developers meeting tomorrow at noon est in here | 17:09 |
| th1a | ACSpike[Work]: It seems inevitable if Python is going to continue releasing at a steady rate. | 17:09 |
| Lumiere | it will move to 10:15 am mondays once school lets out | 17:10 |
| ACSpike[Work] | yeah, but they deprecate functionality rather than removing usually, I would expect forward compatibilty | 17:10 |
| th1a | Lumiere: OK. So where do we start with mattva01? | 17:10 |
| Lumiere | I am purposefully setting it to overlap with the schooltool meetings | 17:10 |
| Lumiere | covering the how/when of the gutsy release | 17:10 |
| th1a | Lumiere: OK, we'll see how that works. | 17:10 |
| th1a | (the meeting overlap, that is) | 17:11 |
| Lumiere | yea | 17:11 |
| th1a | Should we work backwards from the CanDo 07 deployment? | 17:11 |
| Lumiere | sure | 17:11 |
| th1a | OK, what's the date and the goal? | 17:12 |
| Lumiere | the cando 07 deployment date is August 15, in a single package that is meant to get someone up easily | 17:12 |
| Lumiere | with an upgrade path to a gutsy release of schooltool and cando | 17:13 |
| mattva01 | sounds ok to me | 17:13 |
| th1a | We're aiming for a feature freeze on July 1 and a release on August 1, with EuroPython between the two. | 17:14 |
| Lumiere | we're planning to feature freeze about the same | 17:14 |
| Lumiere | and to release just after you | 17:14 |
| th1a | Now, by "release on August 1" I don't really mean "release." | 17:15 |
| th1a | That's more like, "release to Debian." | 17:15 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:15 |
| th1a | Release to public will be in October when Gutsy comes out. | 17:15 |
| Lumiere | to give us a chance to clean up the bugs | 17:15 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:15 |
| th1a | I'll actually write some new documentation in that time, too. | 17:16 |
| Lumiere | we need to get a cando release to Debian in the same period | 17:16 |
| mattva01 | gonna need some MOTU help :) | 17:16 |
| Lumiere | cause we would like to have schooltool-cando in gutsy as well | 17:16 |
| th1a | We have connections. | 17:17 |
| mattva01 | heh | 17:17 |
| Lumiere | I can always as ogra if I have to | 17:17 |
| th1a | Is there anything is particular mattva01 needs to know? | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | he just needs to start a conversation with jinty about it | 17:18 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | and I forgot when I asked him to be here | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | that jinty was out this week | 17:18 |
| th1a | NP. | 17:18 |
| th1a | Anyone have anything else to add? | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | just that your bag of gravel | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | seems to be getting heavy | 17:19 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:19 | |
| th1a | Have a good week, folks! | 17:19 |
| mattva01 | so I am assuming I should come again next week ? | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | yea | 17:20 |
| mattva01 | fine with me, but again it will only be last part of meeting | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | just make a standard practice of it | 17:20 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:20 |
| jfroche | have a good week | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | yep | 17:21 |
| mattva01 | same | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | zzz someone wake up | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | aka me | 17:22 |
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