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| ignas | hi jinty | 13:38 |
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| ignas | jfroche: ayt? | 13:46 |
| jfroche_ | ignas: yup | 13:47 |
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| ignas | jfroche: the patch that fixes egg dependencies was commited to schooltool resource booking branch some time ago | 13:47 |
| ignas | just look at resource-booking setup.eggs.py | 13:47 |
| jfroche_ | ok ok | 13:47 |
| jfroche_ | thanks | 13:48 |
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| jinty | hey ignas | 15:26 |
| ignas | what do you think about the omlet ? | 15:26 |
| ignas | *omelet | 15:27 |
| jinty | omelet | 15:28 |
| jinty | ? | 15:28 |
| jinty | you mean the fun time you're having with eggs | 15:28 |
| * jinty goes to read his checkins mail a moment | 15:28 | |
| ignas | do your scripts still work with all the Zope3 in the eggs folder | 15:30 |
| ignas | and no Zope3 checkout | 15:30 |
| ignas | and the idea of using eggs instead of a branch | 15:30 |
| jinty | ignas: I'm pretty far out of schooltool devel at the moment, I'll have to see | 15:32 |
| ignas | i see | 15:33 |
| ignas | just wanted to warn you | 15:33 |
| jinty | I know that the schooltool nightly build has been failing for a looong time | 15:33 |
| ignas | so you wouldn't be too surprised | 15:33 |
| jinty | that's the first thing to fix | 15:33 |
| jinty | really, it's zpkg that I think we should worry about | 15:33 |
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| jinty | like: how we're gonna make a tarball | 15:34 |
| * jinty wants dearly to throw zpkg totally out of the window. | 15:34 | |
| ignas | what does it do? | 15:35 |
| ignas | and yes - i want to get rid of it as well | 15:35 |
| ignas | it made me have Zope3 in my pythonpath (zpkg depends on zope3 package) | 15:36 |
| ignas | which adds trouble | 15:36 |
| jinty | the thing is, that we're also going to have to eggify schooltool | 15:36 |
| jinty | do you think our components are stable enoug to release separately? | 15:37 |
| ignas | what do you mean components? | 15:37 |
| jinty | because there are some schooltool.* packages that we don't want to release | 15:38 |
| ignas | hmm | 15:38 |
| jinty | sorry componenet = schooltool.* package for me right now | 15:38 |
| ignas | we can cut out some extra packages | 15:38 |
| ignas | oh | 15:38 |
| ignas | we could make a schooltool.egg | 15:38 |
| ignas | we would have to do some shuffling with binaries though | 15:39 |
| ignas | ./start-schooltool.py | 15:39 |
| ignas | for example | 15:39 |
| jinty | yeah, we'd basically have to mirror what's been happening to zope over the past few months | 15:39 |
| jinty | but then, for example, we could gradually release the eggs till we had a stable schooltool stack | 15:40 |
| jinty | rather than one big release all at once | 15:40 |
| ignas | hmm, not sure we can pull off the zope3 model at the moment | 15:41 |
| ignas | too many relationships between components | 15:41 |
| jinty | http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/schooltool-dev/2007-January/000914.html | 15:41 |
| jinty | ok, then, perhaps: one schooltool egg, and we manually set the packages argument to leave out certain packages | 15:42 |
| ignas | hmm, no idea, you would be more lucky to talk to j1m or someone who made zope.ucol | 15:42 |
| ignas | jinty: yes, that would be the idea | 15:42 |
| ignas | because releasing timetables independently from attendance or calendar not just requires refactoring (the easy but takes time part) | 15:43 |
| ignas | but also needs some way for attendance to have it's own generation scripts | 15:43 |
| jinty | yes | 15:44 |
| ignas | and how do you synchronize n+1 evolution scripts? | 15:44 |
| ignas | as in - make timetable evolve to 5 before calendar gets to 3 | 15:44 |
| jinty | ha, no idea :) we normally do database upgrades by hand... | 15:44 |
| jinty | because we normally only have one... | 15:45 |
| jinty | are you going to spain? | 15:45 |
| jinty | for UES | 15:45 |
| ignas | no | 15:45 |
| ignas | haven't heard about it | 15:45 |
| jinty | it's in Sevilla next week or so | 15:48 |
| jinty | but, basically, I think we need to make a decision soon about this | 15:48 |
| jinty | so that we have the time to work out all the bogs | 15:48 |
| jinty | bugs | 15:48 |
| jinty | you can confirm that your "schooltool with zope 3.4 eggs" works for you from the software side? | 15:49 |
| jinty | I mean that you go easy_install schooltool | 15:49 |
| jinty | test.py -s schooltool | 15:49 |
| jinty | and they all run fine>/ | 15:49 |
| jinty | ? | 15:50 |
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| ignas | sorry, got distracted by RMS song | 15:56 |
| ignas | schooltool is not an egg by itself | 15:57 |
| ignas | so easy_installing it won't work | 15:57 |
| ignas | but it should be testable | 15:58 |
| jinty | ignas: do you think it's time for a branch? | 16:05 |
| jinty | I mean why not just rip out all of zpkg and the Zope3 checkout | 16:06 |
| jinty | then we see if we can release it | 16:06 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:06 |
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| ignas | i might need a couple of days | 16:06 |
| ignas | migration scripts and all | 16:06 |
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| ignas | for resource-booking merge | 16:06 |
| ignas | and then we can do that | 16:06 |
| jinty | ah, you want to merge resource-booking before we make a branch like that? | 16:07 |
| * jinty feels cando's pain... | 16:08 | |
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| ignas | i have just merged it | 16:09 |
| ignas | need an evolution script | 16:09 |
| jinty | ah, so then why don't I just make a branch now, start ripping stuff out | 16:10 |
| jinty | and you have a look when you have time? | 16:10 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:10 |
| ignas | that won't affect evolution | 16:10 |
| ignas | so yes | 16:10 |
| ignas | we can do that now | 16:10 |
| Lumiere | jinty: my pain how? | 16:13 |
| ignas | tables, indexing, resource booking, eggs | 16:14 |
| ignas | and all of these in such a short time | 16:14 |
| Lumiere | we'll live I think | 16:15 |
| Lumiere | have we set a datetime with pcardune for gradebook? | 16:15 |
| Lumiere | bb in 1 hr | 16:17 |
| CrippsFX | hm ... if I follow the IRC logs for all the classes pcardune has taught in here, will I learn everything there is to know about using Zope3 ? | 16:32 |
| ignas | yes at least you will have some question asked | 16:33 |
| ignas | and will have more questions | 16:33 |
| CrippsFX | :) | 16:33 |
| CrippsFX | awesome. We're doing a Zope3 project at work, and as you can tell, good Zope3 documentation is sparse at best. | 16:34 |
| ignas | you can find a lot of good examples of Zope3 programming in schooltool codebase (you just have to dig deep within all the bad examples of Zope3 programming) | 16:47 |
| CrippsFX | hahaha. Sounds like a good Idea, I just downloaded the alpha tarball, so I'll be looking through it. Thank you :) | 16:50 |
| CrippsFX | when did pcardune start doing the Zope3 lessons in here? | 16:51 |
| ignas | i would suggest svn trunk | 16:53 |
| ignas | not a tarball | 16:54 |
| ignas | no idea when he started that ... | 16:54 |
| ignas | you can use search for "pcardune" | 16:54 |
| ignas | or maybe for one of his students | 16:54 |
| ignas | they haven't been around for so long | 16:54 |
| CrippsFX | ah. Okay, I'll check out the svn source. | 16:55 |
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| CrippsFX | hey Greg. | 16:58 |
| xbeanx | Hey Aaron | 16:58 |
| xbeanx | figure'd I'd sit in here and eavesdrop. Maybe I'll pick up some tips | 16:58 |
| CrippsFX | hmm ... You *should* be able to get that if you do something like http://zopetest:8080/++skin++CustomSkin/shipv2.html | 16:59 |
| ACSpike[Work] | good morning | 16:59 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: hahaha. | 16:59 |
| CrippsFX | although, somebody here will correct me if I'm wrong on that skinning thing. | 16:59 |
| CrippsFX | xbeanx: I'm checking out the svn code right now to read through | 17:00 |
| xbeanx | Hi Spike | 17:00 |
| ACSpike[Work] | is there somebody else named Spike? or is that me? :-) | 17:00 |
| CrippsFX | methinks it's you 'guvnor | 17:01 |
| CrippsFX | :) | 17:01 |
| ACSpike[Work] | hi | 17:01 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | xbeanx: have we met before and I forgot? | 17:04 |
| CrippsFX | how does the DEPENDENCIES.cfg work? is it called somewhere to import the packages located within itself? | 17:05 |
| alga | vaikų darželis! | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | DEPENDENCIES.cfg, is that a zpkg thing? | 17:08 |
| CrippsFX | it's located in every component directory in schooltool | 17:08 |
| CrippsFX | there's also the PACKAGE.cfg | 17:09 |
| ignas | zpkg thing | 17:22 |
| CrippsFX | ah. okay. | 17:23 |
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| Lumiere | CrippsFX: you might not want to start with zpkg | 17:56 |
| Lumiere | jinty is starting the process of removing zpkg from schooltool | 17:57 |
| CrippsFX | Lumiere: I'm working with xbeanx, we're doing a straight-up zope3 project, so we're just looking through the schooltool code as a guide on zope3. | 18:28 |
| CrippsFX | would you still advise not using zpkg though? | 18:29 |
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| Lumiere | CrippsFX: ask jinty :) | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | the zope 3 folks are trying to move away from zpkg, I've heard | 20:19 |
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| CrippsFX | sounds good to me :D | 21:02 |
| CrippsFX | I never started using zpkg anyways ;) | 21:02 |
| Lumiere | hi ignas | 21:27 |
| ignas | hi | 21:27 |
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| Lumiere | lol | 21:52 |
| Lumiere | jeff wasn't there long | 21:52 |
| CrippsFX | hahaha | 21:55 |
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| Lumiere | hi jelkner | 22:12 |
| Lumiere | how's hb doing? | 22:12 |
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