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| * jinty wonders if he has time to go and swim before the meeting | 15:15 | |
| ignas | :) | 15:17 |
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| jinty | yep, seems there is... | 15:22 |
| jfroche | ignas: hello, there isn't a group factory actually, would it make sense to create one ? | 15:25 |
| ignas | hmm | 15:26 |
| ignas | it probably makes sense | 15:26 |
| ignas | you can try that | 15:26 |
| jfroche | doing this on my branch anyway | 15:27 |
| ignas | or you could just store extra attributes in annotations for a group | 15:27 |
| ignas | and just adding different views for your school | 15:27 |
| ignas | which ever way you prefer | 15:27 |
| ignas | you should have evolution scripts for your school first though | 15:27 |
| jfroche | uhm i can restart from scratch | 15:28 |
| ignas | i see | 15:30 |
| jfroche | ignas: long ago i did the ISchoolToolInitSubscriber & some utility (eg for groups) for initialization, you added something like that in trunk ? | 15:31 |
| ignas | no, i have started doing some changes for lyceum in that direction | 15:32 |
| ignas | but had no time to merge it to trunk yet | 15:32 |
| jfroche | i could merge mine, but not sure it's generic enough | 15:32 |
| ignas | no it isn't | 15:36 |
| ignas | it would conflict with my lyceum changes | 15:37 |
| jfroche | ok | 15:42 |
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| Lumiere | hi kjcole, ignas, jfroche | 15:46 |
| jfroche | hello Lumiere | 15:46 |
| ignas | hi | 15:47 |
| kjcole | Hi. Gallaudet (or my unprintable name for the place) cut the power over the weekend without telling anyone. So, now my boxes are all slowly recovering. | 16:08 |
| Lumiere | yea i heard about that | 16:08 |
| kjcole | Somewhere along the way, I set Konversation (KDE's IRC client) to auto-log me in on a reboot. Hence my presence here. | 16:08 |
| Lumiere | well... at least you came to the coolest place on earth | 16:09 |
| kjcole | Heh. | 16:09 |
| kjcole | Don't you mean schoolest? | 16:10 |
| Lumiere | something like that | 16:10 |
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| * th1a shuffles some papers around. | 16:30 | |
| Lumiere | good morning th1a | 16:30 |
| jfroche | hello | 16:30 |
| th1a | Good morning Lumiere. | 16:30 |
| ignas | hello ;) | 16:30 |
| th1a | Hi ignas. | 16:31 |
| th1a | Is jinty back from swimming? | 16:31 |
| th1a | Hi jfroche. | 16:32 |
| th1a | So far this morning I've learned the number of the National Passport Information Center, which I can call to figure out how to get my overdue passport before I have to leave for Spain. | 16:35 |
| th1a | They're a little backed up. | 16:35 |
| th1a | I feel like our entire government is falling apart. | 16:35 |
| Lumiere | th1a: there are also 13 regional passport centers | 16:35 |
| Lumiere | there is one in boston iirc | 16:35 |
| th1a | Yes, I figure I'll have to drive up there. | 16:35 |
| Lumiere | they are where you go to start a 2 week passport app | 16:36 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I assume you saw it, but jelkner would like to have ignas available at least some during our sprints | 16:36 |
| th1a | I actually worked processing passport applications for a while. | 16:36 |
| ignas | i will try to appear in there | 16:36 |
| th1a | I've discussed it with ignas, although I don't think I got a "final answer" out of him. | 16:36 |
| ignas | though pcardune should read checkin messages time to time as well ;) | 16:36 |
| Lumiere | I think he does | 16:37 |
| th1a | I think we need a little more of a commitment, ignas. | 16:37 |
| ignas | I will be present, the problem with eggs was fixed in resource booking branch | 16:37 |
| ignas | as i am currently working on merging it into the trunk | 16:37 |
| th1a | ignas: thanks. | 16:38 |
| ignas | and i didn't merge it to trunk | 16:38 |
| Lumiere | ignas: even if all you do is log into IRC and check it every 30 minutes or so | 16:38 |
| jinty | th1a: yep | 16:38 |
| th1a | Hi jinty. | 16:39 |
| ignas | Lumiere: ok | 16:39 |
| ignas | won't be too difficult | 16:39 |
| th1a | OK, let's go around the horn with updates... | 16:39 |
| th1a | ignas? | 16:39 |
| ignas | i am still fixing the resource booking branch, which was not helped by the latest Zope3 to eggs migration | 16:40 |
| th1a | Right. | 16:41 |
| ignas | though now the new style navigation got fixed | 16:41 |
| th1a | What exactly is going on with Zope3 and eggs? | 16:41 |
| ignas | well - there will be 2 3.4 releases | 16:41 |
| ignas | eggs one and zpkg one | 16:41 |
| ignas | so i looked a bit into possible migration to zope3.4 | 16:41 |
| jinty | yes, I htink the zpkg one will be the official one | 16:42 |
| ignas | jinty: which one you would like to use for schooltool packaging ? | 16:42 |
| ignas | i have added one more feature for lyceum as well during the week | 16:42 |
| jinty | Whichever one is going to appear in the ubuntu release we're packaging for | 16:42 |
| ignas | makes sense :) | 16:43 |
| th1a | Zope 3.4 will probably be the one in Gutsy, right? | 16:43 |
| ignas | yes, but the question is - eggs or no eggs | 16:43 |
| * th1a forgot the new nickname. | 16:43 | |
| jinty | I think no eggs | 16:43 |
| th1a | OK... let's come back to this. | 16:43 |
| ignas | i mean should i try switching to Zope3.4 eggs or should we keep on using a checkout | 16:43 |
| th1a | Let's table this for a minute and come back to it. | 16:44 |
| ignas | as for the merge - i should be done this week unless some unpredicted bugs crop up | 16:44 |
| th1a | OK. | 16:44 |
| th1a | Anything else? | 16:45 |
| ignas | hmm, REST for resources? | 16:45 |
| ignas | what should we do with it? | 16:45 |
| ignas | do we need it, if not - should we remove it or just keep it half functioning | 16:45 |
| th1a | Hm... | 16:46 |
| th1a | How much time to keep it half functioning compared to removing it. | 16:46 |
| ignas | removing would take longer i guess | 16:47 |
| ignas | at the moments, tests are stopping to work one by one | 16:47 |
| ignas | and making them pass would take time, removing views altogether would take time as well | 16:48 |
| th1a | I'll defer to your judgement. We may revive REST eventually in a systematic way, but that would be over a year from now, probably. | 16:48 |
| ignas | i see | 16:49 |
| th1a | In other words, it is in the "something we'd like to do someday when we've got some free time" category. | 16:49 |
| th1a | Which means, "probably never." | 16:49 |
| Lumiere | lol | 16:50 |
| Lumiere | shouldn't that be a feature spec then? | 16:50 |
| jfroche | someone using this functionality right now ? | 16:50 |
| ignas | no | 16:50 |
| ignas | and no one will for quite a long time | 16:50 |
| Lumiere | I thought the devtools used it | 16:50 |
| ignas | our problem at the moment is getting things into schooltool | 16:51 |
| ignas | when we will accomplish that - we can start taking care of the "other direction" | 16:51 |
| ignas | :) | 16:51 |
| Lumiere | yes | 16:52 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Sample data just generates things directly. | 16:52 |
| Lumiere | ah | 16:52 |
| th1a | It isn't that there aren't plenty of use cases. It just is a drag on development for something that we don't NEED now. | 16:52 |
| th1a | OK... jfroche. What have you been up to? | 16:53 |
| jfroche | working on gradebook | 16:53 |
| jfroche | and updated the setupdata | 16:53 |
| jfroche | to import with new csv file | 16:53 |
| jfroche | as the school don't stop changing their export files | 16:53 |
| jfroche | (order of exported columns) | 16:54 |
| th1a | Ah. | 16:54 |
| th1a | So you've got scripts to rebuild the whole school? | 16:54 |
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| Lumiere | hi ACSpike[Work] | 16:54 |
| ACSpike[Work] | good morning | 16:54 |
| jfroche | yup, import script is a bit bigger | 16:54 |
| jfroche | i am about to commit them | 16:55 |
| jinty | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 16:55 |
| th1a | jfroche: Cool. | 16:56 |
| th1a | jfroche: Have you looked more at the existing gradebook code? | 16:57 |
| jfroche | yep | 16:57 |
| th1a | Make any sense to you? | 16:57 |
| Lumiere | I'll update for pcardune | 16:57 |
| th1a | Thanks Lumiere. | 16:58 |
| jfroche | yep but as i said i ll have to add different views & adapters | 16:58 |
| Lumiere | paul is also working on a gradebook: jfroche, ignas, and pcardune need to sit down and have a chat | 16:58 |
| Lumiere | the thing paul is doing right now is extracting the cando competency gradebook and turning it into a extendable gradebook interface | 16:58 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:59 |
| Lumiere | that he's going to be writing jelkner's new gradebook and a new cando competency gradebook in | 16:59 |
| th1a | OK. We definitely need a meeting then. | 16:59 |
| th1a | Need to cross two more timezones... | 16:59 |
| ignas | what time pcardune is available on IRC ? | 17:00 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Has he started actively working on this? | 17:00 |
| ignas | i haven's seen him lately | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | th1a: see branch | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | ignas: he was on saturday | 17:00 |
| ignas | what about non-weekends | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | afternoon evening my time | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | so probably about the time you go home | 17:00 |
| Lumiere | I think he has morning classes | 17:01 |
| ignas | i see | 17:01 |
| th1a | OK, I see. | 17:01 |
| th1a | I don't think I got emails about these checkins. | 17:01 |
| Lumiere | may be on cando side | 17:01 |
| Lumiere | lemme look | 17:01 |
| th1a | It seems to be in http://source/schooltool.org/branches/ | 17:02 |
| th1a | Well, if you don't mangle the URL... | 17:02 |
| th1a | Anyhow. | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | rev6872 | 17:02 |
| Lumiere | to rev 6879+6881 | 17:03 |
| Lumiere | he's also adding student side views for grades | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. I've started a email. | 17:04 |
| th1a | We just need to find a time. | 17:04 |
| th1a | We should be able to avoid having three mutually incompatible gradebooks in SchoolTool ;-) | 17:05 |
| th1a | jinty: Are your plans set for Sevilla? | 17:05 |
| Lumiere | th1a: yes, and I think pcardune's gradebook work might be the place to start... but I'll let you set a time | 17:07 |
| Lumiere | and follow the meeting that occurs | 17:07 |
| ignas | the slight problem is that pcardunes gradebook is something 180 degrees from what lyceum needs at the moment ... | 17:08 |
| th1a | ignas: Yes, you might be the outlier. | 17:09 |
| Lumiere | ignas: but can the basic gradebook functionality that's being written by pcardune | 17:09 |
| th1a | But why do you say 180 degrees different? I'd think, say, 45 degrees off? | 17:09 |
| Lumiere | be adapted? | 17:09 |
| jfroche | i haven't seen Paul's branch but I guess that it will be different from my usecasses | 17:09 |
| th1a | This is what we need to sort out. | 17:10 |
| * Lumiere is hoping that Paul can write a generic gradebook that is subclassed just like demographics | 17:10 | |
| ignas | :D | 17:10 |
| th1a | I mean, if we have three different UI's, that's not surprising, but I'd like to have just one underlying data model. | 17:10 |
| ignas | Lumiere: have you seen how much work it is to subclass demographics? | 17:11 |
| Lumiere | ignas: <_< yes I am hoping it will be less for this | 17:11 |
| th1a | Well, maybe some nice gradebook widgets and viewlets, even. | 17:12 |
| ignas | th1a: that's the problem - the data model is different, i mean it is possible to cover it up with different UI but that adds work, and i am not sure what is the benefit | 17:12 |
| th1a | If nothing else, we should chat with Paul to confirm that there's not so much opportunity to share. | 17:13 |
| ignas | yes | 17:13 |
| ignas | when ? :) | 17:13 |
| th1a | I just sent you an email. | 17:14 |
| th1a | Did we lose jinty? | 17:14 |
| Lumiere | th1a: I also think it may be getting to time to collapse the schooltool/cando lists (but I haven't asked dwelsh about it) | 17:15 |
| th1a | Lumiere: It makes sense. | 17:15 |
| th1a | OK... so jinty and I are going to the Ubuntu Education Summit. | 17:17 |
| Lumiere | Boris Yeltsin died today at 76 | 17:17 |
| th1a | It seems like it is a much broader meeting than the Canonical conferences I've been to. | 17:17 |
| Lumiere | that's good | 17:17 |
| Lumiere | I almost hope you see some commercial groups there | 17:18 |
| th1a | There will be lots of people who work on other educationally oriented distros in Spain (there are many of those). | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | ah | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | jinty: expect a cando package request this week | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | with the shortest patch you've ever seen likely | 17:18 |
| Lumiere | <_< | 17:18 |
| th1a | Although I guess there are two tracks. | 17:19 |
| th1a | We'll be focused on the "Below the Desktop" track. | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | I fast tracked a 1 char change over the sprint | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | and I have a second journals permission bug | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | that got needs info'd back to welsh | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | we'll see if they can reproduce it for us | 17:19 |
| th1a | It also is more of a regular conference with presentations, though. | 17:19 |
| Lumiere | ic | 17:20 |
| th1a | So I think a lot of what we have to do will take place in the hallway, etc. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Hammering out what we need to do with the Edubuntu team to get a Gutsy release running. | 17:20 |
| th1a | Which basically is about getting more things that are now eggs into debs, right? | 17:20 |
| th1a | And finding out how they're going to handle Zope 3 in general in Gutsy. | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | we have someone locally that is starting to look at packaging | 17:21 |
| th1a | Lumiere: That helps. | 17:21 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Were you at the meeting on Saturday? | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | one of the tasks I threw at him is attempting to find a egg->deb method | 17:21 |
| Lumiere | th1a: what meeting? | 17:21 |
| th1a | Wasn't there a meeting of jelkner's legion of developers? | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | I run those | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | at least from the sprint driver's seat | 17:22 |
| th1a | How did it go overall? | 17:22 |
| Lumiere | good | 17:23 |
| Lumiere | but they are still on a lot of individual projects | 17:23 |
| th1a | Getting up to speed. | 17:23 |
| Lumiere | aelkner has started learning permissions | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | and trying to get stuff like gasp and py-gtk-cairo packaged | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | for olpc | 17:24 |
| Lumiere | and that packaging guy's goal for the end of summer | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | is to be a mu | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | or whatever it is | 17:25 |
| th1a | I have to remember that every idea I give jelkner is a potential distraction from SchoolTool ;-) | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | yes | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | give me ideas | 17:25 |
| Lumiere | I filter ideas to jelkner XD | 17:25 |
| th1a | Lumiere: Where ideas go to die. | 17:25 |
| * jinty seemed to lose himself | 17:26 | |
| Lumiere | lol | 17:26 |
| Lumiere | jinty: read scrollback | 17:26 |
| th1a | Hi jinty. | 17:26 |
| th1a | In the last minutes here, what are your goals for Sevilla? | 17:26 |
| * jinty really needs to figure out how to get sound when people talk to hom | 17:26 | |
| jinty | define the framework of a realease | 17:26 |
| jinty | it'll be the prefect opprotunity | 17:27 |
| jinty | by framework, I mean dependencies, dates and method | 17:27 |
| jinty | then spend some time whacking the many problems that are sure to come up | 17:28 |
| jinty | so that I don't have to play "whack a mole" on release day | 17:28 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:28 |
| jinty | Lumiere, shouldn't be a problem to do a cando release | 17:28 |
| Lumiere | ok | 17:28 |
| Lumiere | right now I am not going to push one | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | but that second bug | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | would require it | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | (the first one is a < to <=) | 17:29 |
| Lumiere | it's a true corner case... the person has to have exactly 80% of competencies for it to trigger | 17:30 |
| th1a | OK. I'm not leaving until next Tuesday, so I'll be here for another meeting before this confernece. | 17:30 |
| th1a | Any last words? | 17:30 |
| Lumiere | I am so late to work | 17:30 |
| Lumiere | XD | 17:30 |
| jinty | yeah, th1a, I need to upgrade the testing server soon | 17:31 |
| jinty | is there still a FHS instnce of schooltool there?. | 17:31 |
| ignas | nope, no words ;) | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | I am planning to setup a buildbot of some sort at ACC for cando | 17:31 |
| Lumiere | I'm not sure what it will look like for now | 17:31 |
| th1a | jinty: I've got nothing I'm using on it. | 17:31 |
| jinty | or is it just demo.schooltool.org? (which I will update) | 17:31 |
| th1a | You can kill the FHS instance. | 17:32 |
| th1a | If there is one there. | 17:32 |
| jinty | should demo be updated to latest svn? or isn't it important? | 17:32 |
| th1a | It might be nice to update it. | 17:32 |
| jinty | k | 17:32 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:32 | |
| jinty | also we might get some downtime, because the ubuntu people want to test new kernel drivers and such | 17:33 |
| th1a | Have a great week folks! | 17:33 |
| th1a | jinty: You mean something announced? | 17:33 |
| Lumiere | th1a dropped the gravel too soon | 17:34 |
| Lumiere | anyways | 17:34 |
| Lumiere | back in an hour | 17:34 |
| jinty | th1a: nope, but remember the schooltool upgrade that didn't restart because of some issue in the kernel | 17:34 |
| th1a | Right. | 17:34 |
| jinty | anyway, my contact at cannonical wants us to test out a few things to fix that | 17:35 |
| jinty | which will probably result in significant downtime | 17:35 |
| jinty | but that's just demo, so my guess it that it's acceptable | 17:36 |
| th1a | jinty: Yes, that's fine. | 17:49 |
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| Lumiere | does anyone use demo? | 18:43 |
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| jinty | hi th1a: seems like the test server didn't come back up again | 19:38 |
| jinty | could you ask for a reboot (let them know that if they choose a .10 or .12 kernel from the grub list, it'll probably work) | 19:39 |
| jinty | most likely the server is up, but networking disabled | 19:40 |
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| lisppaste5 | calvinhp pasted "Issue installing from svn" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/40180 | 23:38 |
| calvinhp | anyone have this problem installing from source, it can't find ThreadedAsync | 23:38 |
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