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| ACSpike | hello | 03:22 |
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| ACSpike | is the documentation on the website open for editing if I find an error or something that needs clarification? or should I submit a bug? | 03:32 |
| ACSpike | http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/setting-up-a-development-server/your-development-environment/ mentions installing python-profiler in stride with all the other packages, but it lives in multiverse not main | 03:34 |
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| ACSpike | oh, and it skips the python-libxml2 dependency | 04:24 |
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| pcardune | hi smalekgh | 19:08 |
| smalekgh | hi | 19:08 |
| smalekgh | This is kind of sad... I just woke up | 19:08 |
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| pcardune | Have you guys been doing stuff with your project lately? | 19:09 |
| pcardune | I haven't seen any questions come my way... | 19:09 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: you should submit a bug for documentation errors | 19:09 |
| ACSpike | are the docs in version control? ie can I submit a patch? | 19:10 |
| smalekgh | See, that's another sad thing <_< I actually have no idea what to ask. And Jama and I have never really gotten in sync, and I can't ever contact stephen, and I'm just confused as to what I'm supposed to be doing (What is it that isn't working in the scheduling module yet?), and I can't connect to jama's server anymore... | 19:11 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: which docs are you looking at? are they in subversion or just on the website? If they are on the website, then they are not version controled | 19:11 |
| ACSpike | yes, website | 19:11 |
| pcardune | yeah, there is no version control on that | 19:12 |
| ACSpike | I haven't much looked through subversion other than getting schooltool to run last night | 19:12 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: well that is certainly a problem | 19:12 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: if it is really hard to connect with them, then you might just have to go it alone | 19:12 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: I would suggest setting up a working environment on maddog | 19:12 |
| ACSpike | I'm hoping I can find some ways to help out | 19:13 |
| pcardune | There are lots of things that are not working in the scheduling module because they haven't even been done yet | 19:13 |
| pcardune | primarily this involves being able to set up pre-requisits for classes | 19:13 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: we would certainly appreciate that | 19:14 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: you can actually get an account on the website and ask th1a for permission to edit the docs | 19:14 |
| ACSpike | I work at a small private college that trains teachers | 19:14 |
| ACSpike | so I have a lot of contact with people who need something like schooltool | 19:14 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: If you'd like to contribute to any part of schooltool, you are certainly welcome too | 19:15 |
| ACSpike | and I have a small bit of experience in sis topics because I helped to develop our sis at the college | 19:15 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: you should also join the schooltool list serv | 19:15 |
| ACSpike | yeah, I really should | 19:15 |
| ACSpike | I looked at schooltool last year and haven't had a chance to get involved yet | 19:16 |
| ACSpike | but I really want to learn zope development so I have a personal motivation now too | 19:16 |
| pcardune | There is going to be a major development effort over the summer for the next version | 19:16 |
| pcardune | I can't point you to a number of resources for learning zope as well | 19:17 |
| ACSpike | pcardune: what is your Zope class mentioned in the topic? | 19:17 |
| ACSpike | we're using zope2+plone for our website at work | 19:17 |
| ACSpike | I set it up initially but haven't done much since | 19:18 |
| pcardune | Well, I specifically work on the cando plugin for schooltool which provides competency tracking capabilities among some other things | 19:18 |
| pcardune | The class was primarily for training high school students to do work on schooltool | 19:18 |
| ACSpike | do work on = code? | 19:18 |
| pcardune | yes | 19:19 |
| ACSpike | well, I should be able to understand a class taught at the high school level :-) | 19:19 |
| ACSpike | (I hope) | 19:19 |
| pcardune | It's not entirely complete, but it should get you started | 19:20 |
| ACSpike | is it written down? | 19:21 |
| ACSpike | there, subscribed to the lists | 19:24 |
| pcardune | http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/bazaar/zope3class/html/ | 19:30 |
| pcardune | 1qqqqqqqqo90 | 19:37 |
| Lumiere | lol? | 19:37 |
| ACSpike | children at the keyboard? | 19:37 |
| pcardune | cat :) | 19:39 |
| ACSpike | :-) | 19:39 |
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| ACSpike | how large is the core development team? | 19:42 |
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| smalekgh | Where do I put packages in the cando/schooltool folder? | 19:45 |
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| wjohnsto | pcardune: ayt? | 19:47 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: yes, i'm here | 19:47 |
| wjohnsto | should we use a different IRC channel for our meeting? | 19:48 |
| wjohnsto | so as to not clutter this one up | 19:48 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: under the src directory | 19:48 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: either way | 19:48 |
| wjohnsto | and if you like, we can use the screen again | 19:48 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: the core development team has 1 full time developer, I am full time during the summers (a student the rest of the time) | 19:48 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: and there are a number of other part time contributors | 19:49 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: that sounds like a good idea | 19:49 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: pm me the login information | 19:50 |
| ACSpike | wow, first time I've ever used launchpad, the thing on the bug tracker that lists possible duplicate reports is fantastic! | 19:51 |
| pcardune | yep | 19:51 |
| pcardune | global bug tracking :) | 19:51 |
| ACSpike | even for a single project that would be fantastic | 19:52 |
| ACSpike | I can't even estimate how many duplicate reports we get for ridiculous things in inkscape | 19:52 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: you work on inkscape?! | 19:55 |
| pcardune | I'm a big fan | 19:55 |
| ACSpike | I do packaging. and I wrote a lot of the python extensions stuff. a few patches on internal stuff like curve dragging, but I don't really know c++. | 19:55 |
| ACSpike | but it is a really fun project | 19:56 |
| ACSpike | friendly people | 19:56 |
| ACSpike | I've learned a lot there | 19:56 |
| ACSpike | pcardune: how do you use inkscape? | 19:56 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: mostly just for fun, and for making diagrams for classes | 19:57 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: are you still there? | 19:57 |
| ACSpike | I'm starting to get an urge to work on some of the diagramming features. | 19:58 |
| wjohnsto | yeas | 19:58 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: can you send me the login info so we can use screen? | 19:59 |
| wjohnsto | ok lemme change the password real quick | 20:00 |
| pcardune | ok | 20:00 |
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| ACSpike | bug filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bug/106589 | 20:08 |
| pcardune | ACSpike: cool, thanks | 20:10 |
| ACSpike | and thank you for the link to your zope class! | 20:11 |
| ACSpike | pcardune: what do you study? | 20:11 |
| pcardune | Math | 20:12 |
| ACSpike | yuck :-) specifically? | 20:13 |
| pcardune | well so far at the undergrad level i've just been doing a bunch of general stuff... calculus, linear algebra, diff eq, some numerical analysis | 20:15 |
| pcardune | although i've been doing an independent study working with fractals | 20:16 |
| ACSpike | ah, ok. what's your favorite? | 20:16 |
| ACSpike | cool | 20:16 |
| pcardune | also a bit of number theory and set theory | 20:16 |
| pcardune | i don't have a favorite, i like it all | 20:16 |
| pcardune | as long as I can apply it to something | 20:16 |
| pcardune | like fractal image compression is very interesting | 20:17 |
| ACSpike | whenever I hear anybody mention that they are interested in math I try to introduce them to lib2geom http://lib2geom.sourceforge.net/ | 20:17 |
| ACSpike | hey, your zope class is pretty cool. I think that will help me a lot | 20:19 |
| pcardune | thanks | 20:19 |
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| ACSpike | later | 21:34 |
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| smalekgh | paul, are we allowed to modify the Course class to have prereqs or should we create a parallel structure in the scheduling package that mirrors all of the courses and can create prerequisites for those courses? | 22:19 |
| pcardune | basically, you will end up using adapters... which you haven't learned about yet | 22:29 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: for now though, I want you to make sure that all the current functionality is tested | 22:29 |
| smalekgh | you mean with doc tests/func tests? | 22:29 |
| pcardune | yes | 22:29 |
| pcardune | and I want you to make the user interface look decent | 22:29 |
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| pcardune | smalekgh: you will sort of be "mirroring" the existing course stuff, so for now you can start by writing interfaces | 22:31 |
| pcardune | write the interfaces for the data structures you would like to have | 22:31 |
| smalekgh | yay, that's something we're actually doing right now >_< | 22:31 |
| pcardune | when you are done with that, email me, i'll take a look at your interfaces | 22:31 |
| pcardune | and if they look good to me, then I'll show you how to do adapters | 22:32 |
| pcardune | when you say we, does that mean you got a hold of the others? | 22:32 |
| smalekgh | got a hold of jama, stephen just disappeared even though we were in contact for a while discussing stuff | 22:33 |
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| pcardune | smalekgh: where is the branch you are committing to? | 22:59 |
| pcardune | I need a publicly accessible url | 22:59 |
| smalekgh | the one you e-mailed | 22:59 |
| pcardune | you should put that url on the wiki as well | 22:59 |
| smalekgh | I think I did | 22:59 |
| pcardune | smalekgh: you can commit to that one? | 23:00 |
| smalekgh | that's the one you e-mailed and that's the one we've been commiting to | 23:00 |
| pcardune | write, but have you "pushed" the changes back up to the server? | 23:00 |
| smalekgh | ...? | 23:01 |
| smalekgh | pushed? | 23:01 |
| pcardune | you see, first you branched from the url I gave you | 23:01 |
| pcardune | that creates a local copy of the branch | 23:01 |
| pcardune | when you commit, it commits the changes to that local copy | 23:01 |
| pcardune | so the place where you original branched form remains unchanges | 23:01 |
| smalekgh | oh | 23:02 |
| smalekgh | that explains why I got the stuff back after screwing up bzr >_< | 23:02 |
| smalekgh | how do I 'push' the changes? | 23:02 |
| pcardune | so if your local branch that you are working on is publicly accessible (like, it is in or linked form a public_html folder) then you don't have to do anything | 23:03 |
| smalekgh | it is publicly accessible | 23:03 |
| pcardune | i.e. I can access it with a url like http://someserver/somepath/to/your/branch | 23:03 |
| smalekgh | OH!!! You mean to JAMA'S server | 23:04 |
| pcardune | for example, other folks who are using maddog have branch locations like http://maddog.yhspatriot.net/~wjohnsto/bazaar/SEPG | 23:04 |
| smalekgh | darnnnn | 23:04 |
| pcardune | or some such thing | 23:04 |
| smalekgh | wow | 23:04 |
| smalekgh | uhhhh, gimme a moment | 23:04 |
| pcardune | ok | 23:04 |
| smalekgh | jama's magic worked, and the url is up | 23:10 |
| pcardune | ok | 23:10 |
| pcardune | i'll check it out | 23:10 |
| pcardune | ok good, it's working for me | 23:12 |
| smalekgh | the interface in your head or the link? | 23:13 |
| pcardune | the link | 23:14 |
| pcardune | that interface looks good, I would just change your nomenclature from 'class' to 'course' | 23:14 |
| pcardune | so it would be ICourseRequirement | 23:14 |
| smalekgh | okey | 23:14 |
| pcardune | This corresponds to the interface names in schooltool | 23:14 |
| smalekgh | oi, consistent naming conventions... | 23:15 |
| pcardune | and also won't interfere with calling something a class and actually meaning a python class | 23:15 |
| pcardune | and partly because you can write in python 'class = Class()' | 23:15 |
| pcardune | because class is a reserved word and it is not pretty to write '_class = Class()' | 23:16 |
| pcardune | Next, I want you to update the README.txt file | 23:16 |
| smalekgh | for those interfaces? | 23:16 |
| pcardune | and for the existing functionality | 23:19 |
| smalekgh | oye | 23:19 |
| smalekgh | *SC Dragoon voice* "It will be done." | 23:21 |
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