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| dwelsh | th1a: you there? | 20:05 |
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| Lumiere | hi pcardune | 20:18 |
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| dwelsh | hey lumiere | 20:39 |
| dwelsh | :)... (lumiere is sitting next to me) | 20:39 |
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| pcardune | hi Lumiere | 21:11 |
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| dwelsh | hey pcardune | 21:18 |
| pcardune | hi dwelsh | 21:19 |
| dwelsh | some great CanDo news | 21:19 |
| dwelsh | NSF grant around NOVA and CanDo moving forward | 21:19 |
| dwelsh | looks very good | 21:19 |
| pcardune | oh yeah? | 21:20 |
| pcardune | what are the details? | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | watershed mtg. yesterday with NOVA | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | they're totally committed | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | and they were the missing piece | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | what it means for us... | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | 2008 development dollars | 21:20 |
| dwelsh | plus NOVA and George Mason as partners using CanDo, etc. | 21:21 |
| pcardune | that would be great | 21:21 |
| dwelsh | it's big | 21:21 |
| pcardune | that would be really great | 21:21 |
| pcardune | those are *really* big schools | 21:21 |
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| Lumiere | pcardune: I'm writing the xml schema | 22:12 |
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| pcardune | hi wjohnsto | 23:07 |
| pcardune | hi bnguyen | 23:07 |
| bnguyen | hi | 23:08 |
| Lumiere | pcardune: I'm starting to write the import xsd | 23:08 |
| Lumiere | (xml schema) | 23:08 |
| pcardune | Lumiere: ok, good | 23:08 |
| Lumiere | I have the comp list done | 23:08 |
| pcardune | bnguyen, wjohnsto where should I go to see what you are working on? | 23:08 |
| Lumiere | it may need more added | 23:08 |
| wjohnsto | umm | 23:09 |
| wjohnsto | maddog.yhspatriot.net:8120 | 23:09 |
| wjohnsto | or | 23:09 |
| bnguyen | http://maddog.yhspatriot.net/~wjohnsto/ | 23:10 |
| wjohnsto | and https://svn.schooltool.org/trac/cando-auth/wiki/SEPG | 23:11 |
| wjohnsto | that is the description | 23:11 |
| pcardune | ok, so i see some poll stuff there | 23:11 |
| wjohnsto | yes | 23:11 |
| wjohnsto | that's the current project | 23:11 |
| pcardune | ok | 23:12 |
| pcardune | so from the wiki I see that you two want to start working on the SEPG project starting today? | 23:12 |
| wjohnsto | I don't know if we know enough about Zope to start that | 23:13 |
| wjohnsto | I think Mr. Elkner told us that it would probably be a good idea to do the poll thing before starting on SEPG | 23:13 |
| wjohnsto | because SEPG is what we'll be working on come June | 23:13 |
| pcardune | ok | 23:14 |
| pcardune | well, I think you could start working on SEPG right now | 23:14 |
| pcardune | at least the back end part of it | 23:14 |
| wjohnsto | ok, sounds good | 23:15 |
| pcardune | I mean, i have seen the VB app before and it seems like it will mostly concist of a form which gets reloaded to show more data based on what you have entered into the form | 23:15 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:15 |
| wjohnsto | neither Brittney nor I are particularly familiar with VB, but it does not seem hard to follow | 23:16 |
| pcardune | well, I don't think you should look at the VB at all | 23:16 |
| pcardune | here is what I want you to do for next week (not right now) | 23:16 |
| wjohnsto | That's exactly what I want to hear! | 23:16 |
| pcardune | I want you to look at the application, and figure out everything that it does | 23:17 |
| pcardune | and write down exactly what it does | 23:17 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:17 |
| pcardune | and I want you to turn that into user stories for you zope version | 23:17 |
| pcardune | so, the VB app might work like this: | 23:17 |
| pcardune | click on an icon to open the application | 23:18 |
| pcardune | then choose a grade level | 23:18 |
| pcardune | then choose a course | 23:18 |
| pcardune | then click on "xyz" button to do whatever | 23:18 |
| pcardune | that would be translated to zope user stories like this: | 23:18 |
| pcardune | click on a *link* to open up a *page* that has the buttons and selectors you see in the VB application | 23:19 |
| wjohnsto | mhmm | 23:19 |
| pcardune | So, I want you two to write a really good description of what the app does so that someone would be able to write the entire application without having ever seen it | 23:19 |
| bnguyen | ok | 23:19 |
| pcardune | that is step one - having a decent specification of the job that needs to be accomplished | 23:20 |
| pcardune | you should put this description on the wiki | 23:20 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:20 |
| pcardune | and try to make it in simple bullet form, I don't want to read an essay about the application... just an outline | 23:20 |
| pcardune | Then we will pick out specific parts of those user stories to implement first, second, third and so on | 23:20 |
| pcardune | by their order of difficulty and need | 23:21 |
| wjohnsto | do the user-stories have to be in any particular order? | 23:22 |
| pcardune | Also put a link to where the VB application can be downloaded on the wiki | 23:22 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:22 |
| pcardune | well, just in the order that would make sense if you were using the application | 23:22 |
| wjohnsto | we debated about doing that since the application can only be run on windows/ only runs on some windows OS | 23:22 |
| pcardune | or actually what would be really great, is to take screen shots | 23:23 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:23 |
| pcardune | so people like me who stay away from windows can see what it looks like :) | 23:23 |
| wjohnsto | yeah | 23:23 |
| wjohnsto | and then explain the ss's | 23:23 |
| pcardune | once the user stories are in place, we can start to talk about the architectural requirements | 23:23 |
| pcardune | like what kind of data do we have to store about courses in order for the logic to make any sense | 23:24 |
| pcardune | So, write up the user stories, and start thinking about data structures | 23:24 |
| pcardune | Today, we can work on your polling application | 23:24 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:25 |
| pcardune | so you can get up to speed on zope stuff which will obviously come in handy for this app | 23:25 |
| wjohnsto | yeah | 23:25 |
| pcardune | my first recommendation is to totally separate the polling application and the z contact application | 23:26 |
| wjohnsto | and eventually we could turn the poll function into "What pizza do we want at the next sprint at the Career Center?" | 23:26 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:26 |
| pcardune | right now all the code is mixed together even though they are (or should be) unrelated | 23:26 |
| pcardune | so why don't you go ahead and do that now | 23:27 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:27 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: if you change your password and private message the new one to me, i can log in to your account and we can look at the same terminal at the same time | 23:28 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:28 |
| pcardune | wjohnsto: now in your terminal type: screen | 23:29 |
| pcardune | ok, good | 23:30 |
| pcardune | now you can get to work on moving the poll code to its own directory | 23:30 |
| pcardune | bnguyen: ayt? | 23:30 |
| wjohnsto | yes | 23:31 |
| bnguyen | sounds good | 23:31 |
| pcardune | are you two at the same computer? or at different computers? | 23:31 |
| wjohnsto | different | 23:31 |
| pcardune | if you are at different computer, bnguyen, you can log in to wjohnsto's account and then type: screen -x | 23:31 |
| pcardune | then you will be able to see his terminal as well | 23:32 |
| bnguyen | ok | 23:32 |
| wjohnsto | I'm going to have to make a poll.zcml | 23:33 |
| wjohnsto | or a configure.zcml for the polls directory? | 23:34 |
| pcardune | yeah | 23:35 |
| pcardune | not a poll.zcml though | 23:35 |
| pcardune | but you will have to make a poll-configure.zcml | 23:35 |
| wjohnsto | yeah | 23:36 |
| wjohnsto | oh wait | 23:36 |
| wjohnsto | we need to put it in the lib directory :-O | 23:36 |
| pcardune | I would also change the name of your directory to just poll instead of polls | 23:39 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:39 |
| wjohnsto | is there a simple way to do that? | 23:39 |
| pcardune | mv polls poll | 23:40 |
| wjohnsto | ok thanks | 23:40 |
| pcardune | you should put a symbolic link to the poll folder in your public_html folder too | 23:40 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:41 |
| pcardune | after you add the package-includes part | 23:41 |
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| wjohnsto | oh shoot | 23:43 |
| wjohnsto | I forget how to link | 23:43 |
| wjohnsto | -s something | 23:43 |
| pcardune | now there is still a bunch of zcontact stuff on the configure.zcml file which should be removed | 23:44 |
| wjohnsto | now I don't need everything | 23:44 |
| wjohnsto | .... yea | 23:44 |
| pcardune | and you should keep a copy of poll-configure.zcml in the poll directory too | 23:45 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:45 |
| wjohnsto | I'm not sure how that's going to work, I'd have to think on it | 23:46 |
| pcardune | there is nothing special about it, just just keep a copy of the file | 23:48 |
| wjohnsto | but I'm going to have to get rid of the zcontacts eventually? | 23:49 |
| wjohnsto | or... change them | 23:49 |
| pcardune | just get rid of them | 23:50 |
| pcardune | (keep them in the zcontact directory) | 23:50 |
| wjohnsto | ok | 23:50 |
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