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| paolob-parroquia | Hi guys! When I read the schooltool web page http://www.schooltool.org/st-products/schooltool-2006 it seems that development is quite stopped... What is the truth? | 00:05 |
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| ignas | it's not stopped | 00:06 |
| paolob-parroquia | When could we have something realistically usable? is there any idea? | 00:06 |
| ignas | it's focused on some specific schools though, instead of being focused (if i can use the word) on all the possible schools | 00:06 |
| paolob-parroquia | ignas, explain me better | 00:07 |
| paolob-parroquia | but does Mark Shuttleworth keeps sponsoring it? | 00:08 |
| ignas | yes | 00:08 |
| paolob-parroquia | hoy many people? | 00:08 |
| ignas | 2 full time programmers, 1 project manager | 00:08 |
| ignas | 2 partner schools | 00:08 |
| ignas | 1 programmer for 1 school | 00:09 |
| paolob-parroquia | but with 2 full time programmers one would expect development is going on more rapidly.... or am I wrong? | 00:09 |
| ignas | it is going quite rapidly, yes | 00:10 |
| ignas | you can look at http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/checkins/ | 00:11 |
| paolob-parroquia | but why don't we see this development? | 00:11 |
| ignas | where are you looking for it? | 00:12 |
| paolob-parroquia | on the web page. Alpha releases are getting out very slowly.... | 00:13 |
| ignas | every monday we are having meetings in here, there is a checkin mailing list that shows everything that is happening to the source code, and there are 2 mailing lists discussing everything | 00:13 |
| ignas | releases - yes, because well - we are working with 2 schools now, and deploying schooltool directly for them | 00:13 |
| ignas | with school specific customizations | 00:13 |
| paolob-parroquia | my question is: I have a big school (~ 1,500 students, primary, nightly and secondary). Will I have something usable for june 2007, in order to use schooltool for next academic year? | 00:15 |
| ignas | i don't think so | 00:15 |
| ignas | unless your requirements match closely either belgian schools or lithuanian schools | 00:16 |
| paolob-parroquia | :-( but at the beginning the perpective of having an usable software was more rapid... What has changed since that? | 00:16 |
| paolob-parroquia | s/that/then/ | 00:17 |
| ignas | we have realized that creating software without actual users is not a very good plan, because while it looks nice and functional, it does not fulfill real requirements by real schools | 00:17 |
| paolob-parroquia | but what is the roadmap for the near future? | 00:18 |
| ignas | 2 roadmaps, 1 for the lithuanian school and another for the belgian school | 00:18 |
| ignas | with the main target being - have something deployed in each school for the beginning of the 2007 autumn | 00:19 |
| paolob-parroquia | til when? when is it expected to go back working to a more general scenario? I can't think that after Lituania and Belgium you're going to pick two more countries, and then two more, etc... | 00:20 |
| ignas | i don't really know, everything depends on how successful schooltool will be with these 2 schools | 00:21 |
| paolob-parroquia | who could tell me something more precise? | 00:22 |
| ignas | th1a (Tom Hoffman) i think | 00:22 |
| paolob-parroquia | but is he here? | 00:22 |
| paolob-parroquia | Hi th1a | 00:22 |
| ignas | i don't know | 00:22 |
| paolob-parroquia | one more question, 0.11.4-1ubuntu4 is alpha2? | 00:23 |
| ignas | paolob-parroquia: the only way you can change this is by actively contributing to schooltool, because 2 programmers are not that much | 00:23 |
| ignas | i don't know, but i know that it is very old really | 00:23 |
| ignas | a lot of things have changed since then ... | 00:23 |
| paolob-parroquia | and isn't anyone making a .deb of alpha2? | 00:24 |
| ignas | no, because it is not stable enough to be used by anyone | 00:25 |
| paolob-parroquia | :-( | 00:25 |
| ignas | things are changing too fast at the moment | 00:25 |
| ignas | you can try using the development version | 00:25 |
| ignas | but you will need some technical knowledge to do that | 00:25 |
| ignas | http://www.schooltool.org/weblog/archive/2006/04/21/setting-up-a-schooltool-development-environment | 00:27 |
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| paolob-parroquia | ok,. let me try! | 00:35 |
| ignas | you are using ubuntu dapper or ubuntu edgy? | 00:36 |
| paolob-parroquia | dapper | 00:41 |
| ignas | hmm | 00:41 |
| lisppaste5 | ignas pasted "Updated instructions for schooltool development environment setup on dapper" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/36492 | 00:42 |
| ignas | click the link | 00:42 |
| ignas | you should see updated instructions | 00:42 |
| ignas | because on dapper if you don't have root you might have some problems with setuptools being too old | 00:43 |
| paolob-parroquia | ok, thank you | 00:43 |
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| paolob-parroquia | hi th1a | 01:42 |
| th1a | paolob-parroquia: Hi. | 01:43 |
| paolob-parroquia | th1a, what is the roadmap for schooltool? will we have a usable version for the next academic year? | 01:45 |
| th1a | We will have a version that will be tested at two schools (as ignas told you above) in the next academic year. | 01:46 |
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| th1a | We will have a version that will be tested at two schools (as ignas told you above) in the next academic year. | 01:49 |
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| paolob-parroquia | th1a, do you think to update http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/setting-up-a-development-server/your-development-environment ? | 01:51 |
| th1a | Yes, I need to update that. | 01:52 |
| paolob-parroquia | th1a, will you update it in the next days ? | 01:53 |
| th1a | I should be able to post ignas's changes. | 01:53 |
| paolob-parroquia | ok, thanks! | 01:54 |
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| Bhaskar | th1a: between schooltool-0.11.3 and schooltool 2006.0-alpha2 which one is latest | 11:56 |
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| jfroche__ | ignas: hello there, i am beginning to play with the Person refactoring to be able to import the students & teacher | 14:52 |
| jfroche__ | read things in your branch | 14:52 |
| jfroche__ | should i copy you or wait for trunk changes ? | 14:52 |
| ignas | ? | 14:53 |
| ignas | like what / | 14:53 |
| ignas | ? | 14:53 |
| jfroche__ | your package in src | 14:53 |
| ignas | yes? | 14:53 |
| jfroche__ | with the new person factory | 14:54 |
| ignas | wait for what kind of changes? | 14:54 |
| jfroche__ | rephrasing my question, to be able to play with my own Person what should i do ? | 14:56 |
| ignas | add a package with your new person | 14:56 |
| ignas | add a site.zcml that does not include demographics | 14:56 |
| ignas | demographics overrides i mean | 14:56 |
| ignas | and register person factory utility in overrides of your package | 14:57 |
| ignas | you can either reuse the simple schooltool person with views or write new implementations ... | 14:57 |
| jfroche__ | ok. to subclass demographics i ll face trouble ? | 14:57 |
| ignas | no, not really | 14:59 |
| ignas | demographics still works | 14:59 |
| ignas | so if your person is more complex - you can use demographics | 14:59 |
| jfroche__ | ok | 15:00 |
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