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| Bhaskar | thla: hi | 08:33 |
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| Bhaskar | thla: have schooltool-2006-beta1 released? | 08:34 |
| Bhaskar | thla: you are so busy? | 08:55 |
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| jfroche | ignas: hello. I am by the school in bxl. Seems that their firewall filter data on port 22, any idea on how to bypass this ? | 15:55 |
| ignas | you could try talking to their administrators | 15:56 |
| ignas | or firing up sshd on some other port | 15:56 |
| jfroche | already waiting for an answer from the admin | 15:57 |
| jfroche | will try with 443 | 15:58 |
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| * th1a shuffles some papers around. | 16:29 | |
| th1a | Hi ignas, jfroche, jinty. | 16:29 |
| ignas | hi | 16:29 |
| th1a | I'm typing from my brand new office... right across the hall from my old office, which will soon be a nursery. | 16:31 |
| ignas | congrats | 16:31 |
| th1a | In a few weeks, it seems. | 16:31 |
| th1a | So not congrats yet. | 16:31 |
| ignas | congrats for the new office you are typing from :) | 16:32 |
| th1a | So it seems like we've got lots of infrastructure improvements going on. | 16:32 |
| ignas | yes | 16:32 |
| th1a | ignas: Thanks. I managed to fix two shorts in my stereo system at the same time. It is like having a new stereo, too. | 16:33 |
| ignas | :) | 16:33 |
| th1a | What are the advantages of using the Zope test runner now? | 16:33 |
| th1a | jfroche: Are you available? | 16:34 |
| jfroche | hello th1a | 16:34 |
| jfroche | i am in LEJ | 16:34 |
| jfroche | got a csv | 16:34 |
| th1a | jfroche: Excellent. | 16:34 |
| jfroche | just managed to bypass their firewall | 16:35 |
| jfroche | for ssh connection | 16:35 |
| th1a | Yes, that's often part of working in a school ;-) | 16:35 |
| jfroche | just got a csv with all the students | 16:36 |
| jfroche | looking at Person | 16:36 |
| ignas | now that we have new testing framework i have began working on lyceum specific personb | 16:36 |
| ignas | which will be an example for other person extensions | 16:36 |
| ignas | if I will succeed we might probably get rid of the mandatory demographics person integration | 16:36 |
| ignas | tests can have layers | 16:36 |
| ignas | which means that various tests can have their own ZCML | 16:36 |
| ignas | thus we can isolate timetabling tests, sample data tests, help tests etc. from main app tests | 16:37 |
| ignas | only including calendaring, resources etc. in app tests | 16:37 |
| ignas | at the same time - i can have functional tests for lyceum functionality | 16:37 |
| ignas | without affecting schooltool core tests in any way | 16:37 |
| th1a | Yes, I take the blame for letting demographics become a failed experiment. | 16:37 |
| th1a | ignas: Sounds good. | 16:38 |
| ignas | well, who could have thought that we needed to begin using Zope3 test runner back then, as this would have made demographics implementation a lot different ... | 16:39 |
| ignas | as bhaskar has nearly completed schooltool translation, i will look at translation issues more deeply | 16:39 |
| ignas | apparently navigation menu gets translated | 16:39 |
| ignas | at least in part | 16:39 |
| ignas | but I will still move strings to python code | 16:40 |
| ignas | so that extraction code would grab all of the items | 16:40 |
| th1a | So buried in there are some examples of how to make it work? | 16:40 |
| th1a | ignas: Do you have an appt. for a visa for PyCon? | 16:42 |
| ignas | i have gathered nearly all the papers, will go pay 100$ tomorow and then call the embasy | 16:42 |
| ignas | will let you know as soon as i'll know when they will let me talk to the Consul | 16:43 |
| th1a | ignas: Good. I'd hate to have you miss it. | 16:44 |
| ignas | I'd hate it more :) | 16:44 |
| ignas | *missing it :) | 16:45 |
| th1a | :-) | 16:45 |
| th1a | Your chance to visit Texas. | 16:45 |
| jfroche | ignas: the new testing framework is on trunk or on your branch ? | 16:45 |
| ignas | trunk | 16:46 |
| ignas | and branch | 16:46 |
| ignas | jfroche: you have a lot of merging to do :) | 16:46 |
| jfroche | ok | 16:46 |
| jfroche | ooh yes | 16:46 |
| th1a | ignas: I'll be happy when we have the translation issues straightened out. | 16:47 |
| th1a | ignas: Anything else you want to bring up? | 16:48 |
| ignas | hmm, you should yell at me for my activity reports being late | 16:48 |
| ignas | as soon as you notice that | 16:48 |
| th1a | OK. I'll try to notice. | 16:49 |
| th1a | jfroche: What have you been up to? | 16:49 |
| jfroche | final bug fixed for roundup export | 16:50 |
| jfroche | as u can see on https://bugs.demo.launchpad.net/schooltool/+bugs | 16:50 |
| th1a | So that should happen for real this week? | 16:50 |
| jfroche | they look pretty goot | 16:50 |
| jfroche | s/goot/good | 16:50 |
| jfroche | i just have to set roundup read only | 16:51 |
| th1a | Pretty bugs. | 16:51 |
| jfroche | & do the final export | 16:51 |
| jfroche | on friday i came by the school | 16:52 |
| th1a | Then start closing a bunch of these that aren't relevant. | 16:52 |
| jfroche | i ll have a desk right next to the guy managing their actual system | 16:52 |
| th1a | jfroche: Excellent. | 16:52 |
| jfroche | great guy | 16:53 |
| th1a | That's what we want. | 16:53 |
| jfroche | really interested | 16:53 |
| jfroche | but french only | 16:53 |
| jfroche | their actual system is acutally quite good for exporting | 16:53 |
| th1a | That sort of comes with the territory, I'd think. | 16:53 |
| jfroche | yep :) | 16:54 |
| th1a | jfroche: Are you making any progress toward a plan for the next nine months? | 16:55 |
| jfroche | yep i have to write it and send it to you | 16:55 |
| th1a | OK. Please do. | 16:55 |
| th1a | jfroche: What are your goals for this week? | 16:56 |
| jfroche | merge with trunk and understand how to have our on Person without breaking tests | 16:57 |
| ignas | tell me when your merhing is done | 16:57 |
| ignas | and please clean up your date localization work :) | 16:57 |
| ignas | so i could just merge it to trunk | 16:58 |
| jfroche | ignas: ok, ll tell you | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | here's a little script that could help with merging: http://mg.pov.lt/eazysvn/ | 16:59 |
| jfroche | mgedmin: thanks ! | 17:00 |
| th1a | jfroche: It sounds like you've got plenty to keep you busy now. | 17:00 |
| jfroche | oh yes | 17:00 |
| th1a | OK then. Lets talk PyCon a bit more then. | 17:01 |
| th1a | I booked a hotel room and registered jfroche and I. | 17:01 |
| jfroche | great thanks | 17:02 |
| th1a | jfroche: Did you book your flight? | 17:02 |
| jfroche | th1a: you didnt get my mail about it ? | 17:02 |
| th1a | I think I did. | 17:03 |
| th1a | You did book it, right? | 17:03 |
| jfroche | yes | 17:03 |
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| jfroche | i have tickets at home | 17:03 |
| th1a | OK. Good. | 17:04 |
| jfroche | visa i coming next week | 17:04 |
| th1a | We're going to have to start discussing with the CanDo guys what we want to focus on. | 17:05 |
| th1a | What the goals are. | 17:05 |
| th1a | We should be joined by these guys working on LDAP, which will be both good and slightly distracting. | 17:05 |
| th1a | Also, it looks like the eggification of Zope3 will be happening, or at least progressing at the same time, which is also of great interest to us. | 17:06 |
| th1a | But this will be the main time we get you two together with the CanDo guys. | 17:07 |
| th1a | (except pcardune will be at EuroPython) | 17:07 |
| th1a | So we should probably focus on bits where collaboration between the two teams is important. | 17:08 |
| th1a | So think about that. | 17:08 |
| jfroche | ok | 17:08 |
| th1a | ignas: How far along are we in the epic svn/bzr migration? | 17:09 |
| th1a | Half way? | 17:09 |
| ignas | seems so | 17:09 |
| ignas | we have a bzr repository, but I must work on the workflow | 17:10 |
| ignas | have as in we can create one out of svn any time we need | 17:10 |
| th1a | What's remaining to do? | 17:12 |
| ignas | straingten out checkout emails | 17:13 |
| ignas | and release/deployment process | 17:14 |
| ignas | bzr uses very different mindset from svn | 17:14 |
| th1a | OK. Makes sense. | 17:14 |
| th1a | That's pretty much all I've got. | 17:15 |
| th1a | I'm going to count on you guys moving forward with little direction from me in the next month or so. | 17:15 |
| th1a | I'm going to be a bit distracted, I think. | 17:15 |
| th1a | Not that you haven't been doing a good job already of taking responsibility for your sites. | 17:16 |
| th1a | Just a little extra warning. | 17:17 |
| th1a | Anything else to discuss? | 17:17 |
| ignas | hmm, lyceum asked for one more feature | 17:18 |
| ignas | they want a confirmation on calendar event deletion | 17:18 |
| ignas | at least for timetables | 17:18 |
| th1a | Like, email confirmation? | 17:18 |
| ignas | no | 17:19 |
| ignas | just a view with a button - Yes i want to | 17:19 |
| th1a | Oh. Good. | 17:19 |
| ignas | let me look at logs | 17:20 |
| ignas | yes seems like it | 17:21 |
| ignas | i still have to find a way to manage grade sections | 17:21 |
| ignas | as they are needed in all the views not just tables | 17:21 |
| ignas | attendance for example should not have to be rewritten | 17:22 |
| ignas | just to support different persons | 17:22 |
| th1a | What's a "grade section" again? | 17:23 |
| ignas | class | 17:23 |
| ignas | a person is in | 17:23 |
| ignas | when 3 classes are attending the same section | 17:23 |
| th1a | So levels don't work for this? | 17:24 |
| ignas | no, not really | 17:24 |
| ignas | you want to see students grouped by class | 17:24 |
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| ignas | in the attendance view and section views | 17:25 |
| ignas | levels do not give us the distinction between 1a 1b 1c ... | 17:25 |
| th1a | Oh, right. | 17:25 |
| th1a | This would be a good thing to discuss at PyCon, if you haven't figured it out by then. | 17:26 |
| ignas | indeed | 17:26 |
| th1a | These complex structural questions are easier to understand face to face. | 17:26 |
| th1a | Well, we should wrap this up. | 17:27 |
| ignas | at the moment - they are not complex structural | 17:27 |
| ignas | but as soon as we'll be doing the schoolyear switch | 17:27 |
| ignas | they will become very difficult and complex | 17:27 |
| th1a | Yes, the end of year stuff is hard. | 17:27 |
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| th1a | OK. Have a great week everyone! | 17:28 |
| * th1a drops the bag of gravel. | 17:28 | |
| ignas | have a productive week :) | 17:28 |
| jfroche | you 2 | 17:29 |
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| th1a | jfroche: Bye. | 17:30 |
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| Ninno | hi | 22:09 |
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