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eukreign | i'm new to schooltool and i'm trying to checkout the code to do development, i have an account, but when i try this, i get a permission denied and it never prompts me for a password: svn co svn+ssh://lex@svn.schooltool.org/cando/trunk cando | 15:27 |
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ignas | do you have ssh keys properly set up ? | 15:28 |
eukreign | do i need ssh keys setup? | 15:28 |
eukreign | how do i do that? | 15:28 |
th1a | so eukreign == lex? | 15:30 |
eukreign | es | 15:30 |
eukreign | yes | 15:30 |
th1a | Ah, jelkner told me you were working on CanDo now. | 15:32 |
ignas | oh, it's a different repository from source.schooltool.org | 15:32 |
th1a | Hi ignas, jfroche, jinty | 15:32 |
eukreign | th1a == ??? | 15:33 |
th1a | Ah, sorry. th1a = Tom Hoffman | 15:33 |
eukreign | ah, ok | 15:33 |
eukreign | so, how do i checkout the cando code as a developer, previously i checked it out using "svn co http://svn.schooltool.org/cando/trunk cando" but that doesn't let me commit | 15:34 |
th1a | Well, regardless I think your ssh keys have to be set up. | 15:35 |
eukreign | how do i do that? is there a guide for new cando developers somewhere on how to get setup with everything? | 15:36 |
th1a | Did daylight savings time end in Europe? | 15:36 |
jfroche | hello th1a ! | 15:36 |
jfroche | yes | 15:36 |
jfroche | we did +1 | 15:36 |
jfroche | it is 14:36 here | 15:37 |
th1a | eukreign: basically you need to send your ssh key to jinty, who hopefully will appear sometime in the next hour. | 15:37 |
ignas | 15:37 in here | 15:37 |
eukreign | i don't have an ssh key | 15:37 |
th1a | eukreign: You'll have to make one! | 15:38 |
ignas | google ssh keys howto ? | 15:38 |
ignas | first hit | 15:38 |
th1a | We should have a round of introductions for eukreign. | 15:38 |
th1a | Since he's going to be working regularly on CanDo. | 15:39 |
th1a | As I said, I'm Tom Hoffman. I'm the project manager, a former English teacher. I'm working on using SchoolTool at my former school here in Providence, RI. | 15:39 |
th1a | Can the rest of you introduce yourselves? | 15:40 |
ignas | I am Ignas Mikalajūnas, a programmer working with Vilnius Lyceum (Lithuania) on schooltool | 15:40 |
ignas | with resources dedicated to schooltool down to me and jfroche, i am the only one who more or less knows the codebase | 15:42 |
ignas | resources as in programmers | 15:42 |
eukreign | I'm Lex Berezhny, former student of Yorktown High School, I have a Python dayjob and have been doing python for a bit more than 6 years now. | 15:42 |
th1a | eukreign: Do you mostly do Zope 2 at work? | 15:42 |
eukreign | yes | 15:43 |
th1a | OK, so you and jfroche are both trying to make that transition. | 15:43 |
jfroche | I am Jean-François Roche, should work soon with schooltool in two Belgium schools | 15:43 |
eukreign | but even that would be a stretch, i wrote my own custom framework within Zope 2, so i don't interact too much with Zope 2 internals anymore | 15:43 |
th1a | eukreign: What are you working on first in CanDo? | 15:44 |
eukreign | well, hopefuly a task that will not be too difficult but will help me get acquainted with the code | 15:45 |
th1a | You don't have anything specific yet? | 15:46 |
eukreign | well, right now i'm just trying to get the code checked out, so that's the specific thing i'm working on | 15:46 |
th1a | OK ;-) | 15:47 |
th1a | Let's move on to progress reports. ignas? | 15:47 |
ignas | not much new things, principal was too busy so i had to postpone the meeting with him until Thrusday this week | 15:48 |
th1a | OK. | 15:48 |
ignas | i polished the schooltool for lyceum a bit, by hiding unnecessary functionality | 15:48 |
th1a | Yes. When are we going to close out the UI contract? | 15:49 |
ignas | and am working on sorting/filtering for all schooltool listing views | 15:49 |
ignas | vidas told me that he should have temporary tabs done in a couple of days | 15:49 |
th1a | What's the goal of the meeting with the principal? | 15:49 |
ignas | review the contract, maybe edit it a bit, and hopefully sign it as soon as possible | 15:50 |
th1a | OK. | 15:50 |
ignas | and introduce me, as i was only meeting with Bronius Skūpas :) | 15:50 |
th1a | Ah. | 15:50 |
th1a | jfroche: What's up on your end? | 15:50 |
ignas | oh, i reviewed/estimated some ways of refactoring the timetable part too | 15:51 |
jfroche | working on the plone dev instance | 15:51 |
th1a | jfroche: Is that live anywhere? | 15:51 |
jfroche | nearly have homepage translatable | 15:51 |
jfroche | right: http://www.schooltool.org:8180/schooltool.org-200509 | 15:52 |
jfroche | note that this instance isnt always up | 15:52 |
th1a | Sure. | 15:52 |
th1a | That's what makes it a dev instance ;-) | 15:53 |
th1a | I hadn't noticed all the trackback spam until someone pointed it out over the weekend. | 15:53 |
th1a | Trackback spam in the weblog. | 15:53 |
th1a | So I just ripped it out of the quills template on the live site. | 15:53 |
th1a | Did the trick. | 15:54 |
jfroche | ok which template did you changed ? | 15:54 |
th1a | hm... let me see... | 15:55 |
th1a | I think there is a setting somewhere that is the proper way to do it, | 15:55 |
th1a | but I couldn't find any sort of control panel. | 15:55 |
jfroche | changed them on in portal_skins ? | 15:55 |
th1a | I changed the Quills skin. | 15:55 |
th1a | I changed weblogentry_view in the file system. | 15:56 |
jfroche | ok | 15:56 |
jfroche | you better use portal_skins when you do that | 15:57 |
jfroche | so that i can make these change part of the schoooltool skin product | 15:57 |
th1a | OK. What skin would I add it to? | 15:58 |
jfroche | you go to http://www.schooltool.org/portal_skins/Quills/manage_main | 15:58 |
jfroche | click on the template you want | 15:58 |
jfroche | click on customize | 15:59 |
jfroche | your template is now in custom | 15:59 |
jinty | hi, sorry I'm late, managed to lock myself out of the house | 15:59 |
jfroche | hello :) | 15:59 |
th1a | hi jinty. | 15:59 |
th1a | As long as you keep our servers secure, I don't care what you do with your house. | 16:00 |
th1a | jinty: Can you introduce yourself to eukreign, who is doing some paid work on CanDo? | 16:00 |
jinty | ok, | 16:00 |
jfroche | th1a: what should we do for user management on schooltool.org ? | 16:01 |
jinty | eukreign: try use https... | 16:01 |
th1a | jfroche: Not let random people create accounts. | 16:02 |
jfroche | ok | 16:02 |
jfroche | that is already done | 16:02 |
jfroche | should i put back PloneHelpCenter and PloneSoftwareCenter ? | 16:03 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:03 |
jinty | eukreign: I'm Brian Sutherland, administrator for schooltool.org and generally try to take care of the build/distribution machinery | 16:03 |
th1a | jfroche: We're phasing them out but there is still some old content there we probably don't want to bother migrating. | 16:05 |
th1a | jfroche: So what else do we need to do on the back end? | 16:06 |
th1a | We should probably update Quills. I think there is a new version. | 16:06 |
jfroche | i ll update the zope and the plone | 16:06 |
jfroche | and i should begin to work on a schooltool instance for Denis school | 16:07 |
jfroche | on Denis server | 16:07 |
jfroche | for him to be able to add his own content | 16:07 |
jfroche | and pray to get the authorisation soon... | 16:08 |
th1a | Yes. | 16:08 |
th1a | There isn't anything else major to be done on the web server that I'm forgetting, then? I'll just need to update the content. | 16:08 |
jinty | speaking about servers, when do you guys think is a good time for the system upgrade? next weekend? | 16:10 |
th1a | Sounds good to me. | 16:11 |
ignas | or maybe 11-01 ? it's a holiday ... | 16:11 |
th1a | Not a holiday here. | 16:11 |
jfroche | mean moving demo.schooltool.org ? | 16:11 |
jinty | that's already done | 16:11 |
jinty | I mean an upgrade of schooltool.org from hoary -> dapper | 16:12 |
jinty | ok, then I'll try for this weekend. | 16:12 |
th1a | OK. Sounds good. | 16:12 |
th1a | Moving on then... | 16:13 |
th1a | jinty: So what's going on with this new release? | 16:13 |
jinty | well, a few people started filing bugs against the old schoolbell | 16:14 |
jinty | unexpectedly I had the time to make a beta | 16:14 |
th1a | Did you push that into Debian? | 16:15 |
jinty | Not very hard | 16:15 |
th1a | Meaning? | 16:15 |
jinty | I said: "If you want to fix this bug, upload those packages" | 16:16 |
jinty | rather than asking a specific sponsor for an upload | 16:16 |
jinty | in the end it has not been uploaded yet | 16:16 |
jinty | I am a little unconfortable pushing a beta into debian/ubuntu | 16:17 |
th1a | But it isn't a SchoolBell release. | 16:17 |
jinty | no, there is no schoolbell in sight, but the old schooltool depends on the old schoolbell | 16:17 |
th1a | jinty: Yes, it is somewhat dubious, although if we could have jammed something into Edgy, perhaps it would have been worth doing. Right after edgy, I'm not sure what the point is. | 16:18 |
th1a | jinty: Yeah... so how are you dealing with that dependency? | 16:18 |
jinty | well, the new beta doesn't have that dependency | 16:19 |
th1a | No SchoolBell dependency? | 16:19 |
jinty | yeah, we kinda dropped the ball with Edgy. | 16:19 |
ignas | jinty: for the future (when i'll have enough time or someone will nag me the whole weekend to do it) would schooltool tarball with mkschooltoolinstance and mkschoolbellinstance be something that is good ? | 16:20 |
jinty | nope, in the new packages based on the beta, schooltool does not depend on schoolbell. | 16:20 |
jinty | ignas: I actually only need a zcml configuration that works. | 16:20 |
jinty | to make packages that is. | 16:21 |
ignas | even though schoolbell would still depend on various extra components on source code level | 16:21 |
ignas | like timetabling | 16:21 |
jinty | I would imagine that the schoolbell package would depend on python-schooltool, so most of the schooltool packages will be around | 16:22 |
jinty | I think my problem is more that schooltool is broken on the source code level. That at least is my feeling, and I think the schoolbell tests have been disabled. | 16:23 |
th1a | I'm not worried about creating a schoolbell package. | 16:24 |
th1a | So I'm inclined to sort of abort this release. | 16:25 |
th1a | Particularly as a "beta." | 16:25 |
ignas | the main concern with the beta is Data.fs compatibility ... | 16:26 |
jinty | yes, that's my worry as well. | 16:26 |
th1a | Yes, it just introduces another level of support for no tangible gain. | 16:26 |
th1a | If we'd put something in Edgy, there would have been at least some upside in showing we're alive... | 16:27 |
ignas | we should care about being alive more than about showing that we're alive | 16:27 |
th1a | ignas: Indeed. | 16:28 |
th1a | Anyhow, jinty, what do you want to do at this point? | 16:28 |
jinty | th1a: I would welcome any actual decision on the release, yay or nay. Could we announce this more widely than IRC so that I have something to point at when people ask me what's up? | 16:29 |
th1a | I was going to follow up your email to the list. | 16:29 |
th1a | It wasn't mentioned on the website, so I'm not sure a comment is necessary there. | 16:30 |
eukreign | okay, i created a passwordless ssh key | 16:30 |
eukreign | where do i send my public key? | 16:31 |
jinty | eukreign: you don't need an ssh key to access the cando repository, using https should be enough. try svn co https://svn.schooltool.org/cando/trunk | 16:32 |
ignas | jinty: can you commit into an https repository ? | 16:33 |
jinty | th1a: at least the announce or schooltool list would be nice. | 16:33 |
jinty | ignas: yep, if your apache is setup right. | 16:33 |
ignas | cool :) | 16:33 |
th1a | jinty: Of course. | 16:34 |
eukreign | but it doesn't ask me for a username or password, how does it know what to commit as? | 16:34 |
jinty | eukreign: have you tried a commit? | 16:34 |
th1a | OK, last item: | 16:34 |
th1a | Do we want to move the meeting time back an hour since daylight savings time ended? | 16:34 |
eukreign | what's a good file to try editing and commiting? | 16:34 |
th1a | I do. | 16:35 |
eukreign | wasn't that yesterday? | 16:35 |
jfroche | as you prefer th1a same 4 me | 16:35 |
* jinty doesn't care about meeting time | 16:35 | |
th1a | jinty is always awake. | 16:35 |
th1a | jfroche: Your invoice looks fine to me, btw. | 16:36 |
jinty | eukreign: find a spelling mistake or snail food;) | 16:36 |
jfroche | great, first one in my life :) | 16:36 |
eukreign | i added a blank line at the end of a README.txt | 16:36 |
eukreign | okay, i was able to commit | 16:37 |
eukreign | so, will i have to enter a password everytime i commit? | 16:37 |
th1a | Actually, one more thing: can we move the main schooltool svn soon? | 16:37 |
jinty | I was planning to have a look at that after the upgrade | 16:38 |
eukreign | it's going to be 90F in my house soon, so if i pass out, you know what happened | 16:39 |
th1a | We'll know what to put down as the cause of death? | 16:39 |
eukreign | heat stroke | 16:39 |
th1a | Is it that hot in Virginia? | 16:39 |
eukreign | i'm in New Hampshire | 16:40 |
ignas | th1a: setting a date to get jfroche and ignas together f2f ? | 16:40 |
eukreign | no, it's freezing outside | 16:40 |
jfroche | th1a: do you have contact with James Henstridge ? | 16:40 |
eukreign | but i'm having insulation put in, they were supposed to do it during the summer but ended up procrastinating on it for months and now it's freezing outside but it's blown in insulation and needs warm weather, so they had this brilliant idea of heating up the house as high as the thermostat would go hopefuly creating a warmer micro climate around the house :-D | 16:41 |
th1a | jfroche: Not really. Last week was probably a particularly busy one at Canonical, since they were doing a release. | 16:41 |
eukreign | yeah... i live in a crazy town :-D | 16:41 |
th1a | eukreign: That sounds like a very dubious plan. | 16:41 |
th1a | ignas: Yes, a date! | 16:42 |
jfroche | november ? | 16:42 |
ignas | for how long ? | 16:42 |
jfroche | but i still dont have authorisation to the school and dont know when i ll have it | 16:42 |
jfroche | but we can work anyway | 16:43 |
th1a | I'd say 3 days. | 16:44 |
th1a | That sound right? | 16:44 |
jfroche | same for me | 16:44 |
ignas | ok | 16:44 |
ignas | jfroche: you prefer weekend or not ? :) | 16:44 |
jfroche | tell me what you prefer | 16:45 |
jfroche | its the same for me | 16:45 |
ignas | 25,26,27 maybe | 16:45 |
jfroche | good for me yes | 16:46 |
jfroche | you would come by plane ? | 16:46 |
ignas | depends on th1a :) | 16:47 |
th1a | It would be a pretty damn long train ride, wouldn't it? | 16:47 |
ignas | do trains go from Lithuania to Belgium? | 16:48 |
th1a | Anyhow, yes, you can fly. | 16:48 |
ignas | the question is - am i flying on 24th and flying back on 28th morning or flying on 25th and flying back on 27th | 16:48 |
th1a | Just invoice us for the travel expenses w/copies of receipts. | 16:48 |
th1a | I think between the two options. | 16:49 |
th1a | Fly in the evening of the 24th and leave the evening of the 27th. Something like that. | 16:49 |
jfroche | good for me | 16:50 |
th1a | Two full days with no travel. | 16:50 |
ignas | sounds like a plan | 16:51 |
ignas | what about accommodation ? | 16:51 |
jfroche | ignas: tell me when you have the dates | 16:51 |
jfroche | i have all you need here at home | 16:51 |
jfroche | but if you prefer hotel ... | 16:51 |
ignas | not that i have any preferences, depends on how much trouble would it be for you | 16:53 |
th1a | It is, of course, preferable to save money... | 16:53 |
jfroche | for me no trouble at all here, i still live by my parents (should move in January) | 16:54 |
jfroche | and there a big bed free here for visitors | 16:54 |
jfroche | and when there is food for 4 there is food for 5 | 16:55 |
ignas | ok :) | 16:55 |
th1a | I'm going to take a shower. Have a good week folks! | 16:57 |
ignas | now that i look at the November calendar (oops) i was thinking about 22, 23, 24 (21st evening to 24th evening) | 17:00 |
jfroche | 22 i have the Plone.be meeting here | 17:01 |
jfroche | can't miss it | 17:01 |
ignas | i see | 17:01 |
jfroche | but if you are interested | 17:01 |
jfroche | it ll be in english | 17:01 |
ignas | :) well, i think that we'll have only 2 days so time is very valuable ... | 17:02 |
jfroche | yes :) | 17:02 |
ignas | hmm, then i guess 22 evening to 25 evening maybe ? | 17:02 |
jfroche | 23 morning to 26 ? | 17:03 |
jfroche | cause on the 22 it ends quite late | 17:03 |
jfroche | and i am speaker | 17:03 |
jfroche | would like to speak with others after | 17:03 |
ignas | oh, i see | 17:04 |
ignas | hmm, then i guess we'll stick with the evening of the 24th and leave the evening of the 27th plan | 17:05 |
jfroche | if its ok for you yes | 17:05 |
ignas | i kind of wanted to be back on weekend to get some rest before going to work | 17:06 |
eukreign | i have an ambulance call, dono when i'll be back | 17:06 |
jfroche | ignas: the week after ? | 17:07 |
ignas | (Nov 28th evening to Dec 1st evening) | 17:08 |
ignas | seems good | 17:10 |
jfroche | still weekend there | 17:10 |
jfroche | its ok for me | 17:10 |
ignas | oh, btw, what airport is closest to you? | 17:11 |
jfroche | Brussels | 17:12 |
jfroche | you can try Charleroi (via Ryanair) | 17:12 |
jfroche | but dont think there is link to you | 17:12 |
ignas | i doubt it | 17:12 |
jamesm | are any of the admins around ? | 17:46 |
ignas | admins of what? | 17:51 |
ignas | the channel, the website, svn repository? | 17:51 |
eukreign | back | 17:59 |
eukreign | so, when is the meeting happening? | 18:00 |
ignas | which meeting? | 18:06 |
eukreign | i dono, i was told that there was going to be a meeting on #chooltool monday at 9:30am | 18:08 |
mgedmin | (13:30 UTC was 2 and a half hours ago) | 18:09 |
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mgedmin | there are irc logs | 18:09 |
eukreign | well, then i guess i was present in the meeting | 18:13 |
eukreign | there was no announcement of the start of the meeting and then end of the meeting so i wasn't sure | 18:14 |
mgedmin | yeah, these meetings tend to be a bit informal | 18:18 |
eukreign | i see | 18:19 |
ignas | yes, the standard opener most of the time is "th1a: shuffles some papers" | 18:21 |
mgedmin | and then there's the throwing of loose gravel around | 18:21 |
ignas | and meetings end with banging of the gavel, gravel or something similar ;) | 18:21 |
mgedmin | so, did you decide to shift the meeting to 14:30 UTC or not? | 18:24 |
eukreign | i wish there was an IRC plugin that automatically converted times to your local timezine | 18:25 |
ignas | write one | 18:26 |
ignas | xchat supports python plugins | 18:26 |
eukreign | it doesn't itch that bad | 18:26 |
eukreign | more of a wish than an itch ;-) | 18:27 |
mgedmin | I'm sure google can do that | 18:27 |
mgedmin | ... um ... no it can't | 18:27 |
* mgedmin usually uses 'TZ=somestrangetimezone date --date="16:30 UTC"' in a shell window | 18:28 | |
th1a | eukreign: Usually there is more of an ending, but ignas & jfroche kept going. | 18:42 |
eukreign | damn them! :-D | 18:44 |
eukreign | how do i login to CanDo? | 18:48 |
eukreign | er, how do i create a username/password to be able to login | 18:48 |
eukreign | i have schooltool running but when i click on Global Compentency i get a login screen | 18:48 |
th1a | manager/schooltool | 18:48 |
eukreign | you are the best! :-D | 18:49 |
eukreign | okay, and how do i get to the gradebook screen for CanDo? | 18:52 |
th1a | You probably need to create some courses and sections, etc. | 18:57 |
eukreign | is there a tutorial or some kind of documentation that walks you through school tool and shows you how to use it? | 19:11 |
ignas | not really | 19:12 |
eukreign | so, how do the teachers that use this learn to use it? | 19:13 |
ignas | there aren't that many teachers using it at the moment i think | 19:13 |
eukreign | i see | 19:14 |
ignas | you can find some info in schooltool.org | 19:15 |
ignas | and some documentation in txt files | 19:15 |
eukreign | i'm just looking for a very general overview of how everything fits together | 19:16 |
ignas | mmm | 19:19 |
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ignas | well, what do you know about Zope3 ? | 19:21 |
ignas | eukreign? | 19:22 |
eukreign | i worked with it a little back before there were any releases | 19:22 |
ignas | general overview - from users perspective or programmers perspective ? | 19:23 |
eukreign | from users perspective and then from programmers perspective :-D | 19:23 |
ignas | well, everything is organized into top level containers (Persons, Resources, Sections, Courses, Terms, Levels etc.) | 19:25 |
eukreign | what's a section? | 19:25 |
ignas | section is a set of people + day and time of the meeting + set of instructors | 19:26 |
ignas | Like history for 6th grade friday 1am by John Smith | 19:27 |
ignas | fridays | 19:27 |
eukreign | okay | 19:27 |
ignas | when you log in you are looking at your calendar | 19:28 |
ignas | and can see breadcrumbs App -> person container -> you -> calendar | 19:28 |
eukreign | and who am i? | 19:28 |
ignas | manager probably :) | 19:28 |
eukreign | but when i first opened up the page i wasn't logged in | 19:28 |
ignas | not just users have calendars though, | 19:28 |
eukreign | it still displayed a calendar | 19:28 |
ignas | there is an application calendar | 19:29 |
ignas | calendar for the whole school | 19:29 |
eukreign | okay, so what are the different types of calendars and what info do they have on them? | 19:29 |
ignas | there are resource, section, group calendars too | 19:29 |
ignas | all calendars are of the same type | 19:29 |
ignas | the only difference is who can edit them ... | 19:29 |
ignas | then there are timetables | 19:29 |
ignas | ok, timetable calendars | 19:30 |
ignas | timetable calendars are generated automatically for every person and group | 19:30 |
ignas | depending on sections they belong to | 19:30 |
ignas | and depending on section timetables | 19:30 |
ignas | so actually only sections have timetables, timetables for users are expressed through their membership in groups or sections ... | 19:31 |
ignas | as for the gradebook, especially cando gradebook, I really can only point you to a readme that is in src/schooltool/gradebook (or shouls be there) | 19:32 |
eukreign | is cando a plugin for schooltool or a part of it? | 19:32 |
ignas | a kind of a plug in | 19:32 |
ignas | i don't really know as I haven't even seen cando ;) | 19:33 |
eukreign | ok | 19:33 |
eukreign | what are resources? | 19:33 |
ignas | resources are objects that can be booked by simple calendar events | 19:34 |
ignas | or sections | 19:34 |
ignas | you can say that resource belongs to some section and all events of that section will appear on the calendar for that resource | 19:34 |
ignas | resources are for example - classrooms, various inventory etc. | 19:35 |
eukreign | i see | 19:35 |
eukreign | what are Levels? | 19:35 |
ignas | i guess readme in src/schooltool/levels can explain it better than i can | 19:36 |
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