| ignas | Lumiere: can you give me the url you are checking out | 00:03 |
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| ignas | i'd see whether it's really networking problem | 00:03 |
| Lumiere | k | 00:08 |
| Lumiere | http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/CanDo-2006-Releases | 00:08 |
| Lumiere | coming from the makefile for cando | 00:09 |
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| Lumiere | bb tomorrow | 00:26 |
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| sky123_ | hello. someone had responded to my query about cando and grading...but my little kid shut my pc down...lol....if you dont mind what is the status of these projects or can i get it in the alpha version and run it..errrmm...confidently in production? | 01:54 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs - logs are in here, so if someone answered your questions, you should be able to find the answers you need | 02:00 |
| sky123_ | thanx!! | 02:01 |
| sky123_ | ignas: thanx...got the response.. | 02:04 |
| sky123_ | For the "guy" that left the grading portion unfinished...is the source available??Im interested in seeing what it would take to help to finish it. | 02:05 |
| sky123_ | It is a KEY component that is needed. | 02:05 |
| ignas | umm, well how experienced are you ? | 02:06 |
| ignas | python, Zope3 ? | 02:06 |
| sky123_ | here is the deal...i have a friend who finds himself out of a job who is very experienced with python. And I am a former teacher who remembers the pedagogy pretty well, but am working the world of Linux/Asterisk related stuff(systems end), and we thought we can make a go of it.. | 02:22 |
| sky123_ | so starting with the source to see "how" complex its going to be is the issue. | 02:22 |
| sky123_ | and giving it a gentleman's go to see...."can this be handled or no".. | 02:23 |
| ignas | i see | 02:23 |
| ignas | well, from what i know there's wasn't much progress | 02:24 |
| ignas | but it's http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/branches/srichter-term-gradebook-work2 | 02:24 |
| ignas | here | 02:24 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/srichter-term-gradebook-work2 | 02:25 |
| ignas | for an svn checkout | 02:25 |
| ignas | though picking it up and continuing might be difficult, especially if i'll be mashing timetabling around ... | 02:26 |
| sky123_ | i see...starting over then is more the key hh? | 02:28 |
| sky123_ | huh? | 02:28 |
| sky123_ | sorry typo | 02:28 |
| sky123_ | In my experience as an educator aplle seems to make the biggest headway with Powergrade... but there is NO reason why this couldnt be ported or made to work on schooltool | 02:29 |
| sky123_ | the concept if you will of a "package" where calendering, grading, attendance, and assessment in one place is what was so desperately required.. | 02:30 |
| ignas | hmm, well, if someone would want to add grading to schooltool, all i can do is help ... i will have to work on it sooner or later anyway | 02:30 |
| ignas | just that at the moment making parts that are already functional actually useful is more important for me personally ... | 02:31 |
| ignas | thus I'd be glad to receive any help from outside ;) | 02:31 |
| ignas | especially highly qualified and motivated :) | 02:32 |
| sky123_ | motivation high...lol | 02:35 |
| sky123_ | qualified...yet to be seen i guess. | 02:35 |
| sky123_ | Im wondering...would it be of value to get the what the conceptual pages for grading should look like in the grading module?? | 02:36 |
| sky123_ | or has that all been vetted? | 02:36 |
| ignas | vetted ? | 02:37 |
| ignas | as for conceptual pages - having some would be very nice, though you should have in mind that the school that I am cooperating with has asked for joint "attendance/grading" views for teachers | 02:39 |
| sky123_ | i see | 02:39 |
| ignas | as in Lithuania the day grid an marks are related most of the time, so having only 1 view is kind of convenient | 02:39 |
| sky123_ | i worked and my wife now works for a school that does heavy assessments based on "cognitive growth" based on Vygotsky (proximal development) | 02:40 |
| ignas | though the exact design is not finalized (actually is not even started) ;) | 02:40 |
| sky123_ | They use this heavy "cando" type of stuff... | 02:40 |
| sky123_ | anyhow..the assessments i believe should be tied into grading | 02:40 |
| ignas | sound advanced, though it might be very specific ... | 02:40 |
| sky123_ | so you can measure a childs growth.. | 02:40 |
| sky123_ | ignas: in fact it is red hot in california to be able to do this | 02:41 |
| ignas | oh | 02:41 |
| sky123_ | because most teachers attempt to do this on paper and cannot meet the shear volume of information that needs to be stored. | 02:41 |
| sky123_ | imagine 36 kids per class...multiplied by 4 doing individual assessments | 02:42 |
| sky123_ | there has gotta be a tool help do this | 02:42 |
| ignas | indeed | 02:42 |
| sky123_ | ALSO...check this out..the state of california has standards... imagine a schooltool module that pulls those standards...and gives a space for teachers to create lessons | 02:42 |
| sky123_ | then against those lessons and concepts can be assessed | 02:43 |
| sky123_ | as the childs compentency | 02:43 |
| sky123_ | then you can measure growth | 02:43 |
| sky123_ | thats the idea | 02:43 |
| sky123_ | lol :) | 02:43 |
| ignas | well, I can only provide minimal help with that though | 02:44 |
| sky123_ | standard---lesson--calender------ assessment-----grade | 02:44 |
| sky123_ | like that?? | 02:44 |
| ignas | tips about the code, and effort not to break anything on your side ... | 02:44 |
| sky123_ | no problem...i guess im just trying to understand what is the "model" that schooltool will server eductors under... | 02:45 |
| sky123_ | and hey Im open to hearing about it.. :) | 02:45 |
| sky123_ | serve educators...woops | 02:45 |
| sky123_ | :) | 02:45 |
| ignas | well, at the moment schooltool need the vital systems working properly first | 02:46 |
| sky123_ | got it | 02:46 |
| sky123_ | to stabilize the core.. | 02:46 |
| sky123_ | I certainly understand that | 02:46 |
| ignas | no, become useful actually | 02:46 |
| ignas | i will probably have to even destabilize the core a bit | 02:47 |
| sky123_ | I will certainly take a look at the source..and also the the section on creating the development environment | 02:47 |
| ignas | as none of schooltools features had actual users | 02:47 |
| sky123_ | "destabilize"....lol | 02:47 |
| sky123_ | :) | 02:47 |
| ignas | there are a lot of things that are just not suitable for actual work | 02:47 |
| sky123_ | i see | 02:47 |
| sky123_ | its very conceptual then.. | 02:47 |
| ignas | lists of users are in random order, timetable events can't have any information attached to them and simmilar usability stuff | 02:48 |
| sky123_ | it looks as if its a deconstruction before the construction... | 02:54 |
| ignas | well, i had to learn how to manage a project sooner or later ;) | 02:56 |
| sky123_ | ignas: are you the core manager for schooltool? | 02:56 |
| ignas | when it comes to code - yes, probably | 02:56 |
| ignas | as for the whole project, th1a is the guy | 02:56 |
| th1a | I'm on the phone... | 02:57 |
| th1a | OK, let me look at the backlog here. | 02:57 |
| th1a | Shouldn't you be asleep ignas? | 02:57 |
| sky123_ | i see. Id love to have a good solid conversation about the "pedagogical model for schooltool" and how its constinuent components may meet that...who do i speak to about that?? | 02:57 |
| sky123_ | th1a: so you have been fingered! :) | 02:58 |
| sky123_ | lol | 02:58 |
| sky123_ | hopefully i dont get the finger back ;) | 02:58 |
| ignas | th1a: yep, but i promissed i would do some time tracking so ... ;) | 02:59 |
| th1a | OK, caught up. | 02:59 |
| th1a | The underlying design we did for the gradebook is really solid and robust, | 03:00 |
| sky123_ | I see | 03:00 |
| th1a | and also is used in CanDo, so there can be a common base for both standards-based and graded assessment. | 03:00 |
| sky123_ | cool | 03:00 |
| th1a | Actually, I should probably look at that code again quickly to remind myself what is there. | 03:01 |
| sky123_ | so it kind of sits in "concept" land...but needs the effort to get it to be driven into code I suppose. | 03:01 |
| th1a | Gimme a second here... | 03:01 |
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| th1a | This actually represents a lot of good design work: http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/branches/srichter-term-gradebook-work2/src/schooltool/gradebook/README.txt | 03:03 |
| sky123_ | sweet.... | 03:03 |
| sky123_ | I will look in it... | 03:04 |
| sky123_ | Do you mind if I send feedback on it?? | 03:04 |
| sky123_ | ie..review and give my two cents?? | 03:04 |
| th1a | sky123_: Please do. We should have a phone or skype conversation if you want more background/context on the project. | 03:05 |
| sky123_ | sounds good | 03:05 |
| th1a | I'm in Rhode Island. | 03:05 |
| sky123_ | Im in California | 03:05 |
| sky123_ | just name the time or pm me | 03:05 |
| sky123_ | and we can set something up | 03:06 |
| th1a | Sometime tomorrow? | 03:06 |
| sky123_ | I think that would be good... you're like 3 hours difference?? | 03:06 |
| th1a | It is 8:07 here. | 03:06 |
| sky123_ | yep | 03:06 |
| sky123_ | on the dot 3hrs | 03:06 |
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| sky123_ | I work in the world of voip now...9-5 | 03:07 |
| sky123_ | so if i call you my time at 6:30 on my cell | 03:07 |
| th1a | Oh yeah, on Asterix. | 03:07 |
| sky123_ | that yould be 9pm your time | 03:07 |
| sky123_ | yep Asterisk and freeswitch | 03:07 |
| th1a | Yes. That would be fine. My wife will be at orchestra rehearsal. | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | but mainly making sure it works well on linux | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | what does she play?? | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | or is it operatic?? | 03:08 |
| th1a | She plays violin, just in the local college orchestra. | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | cool | 03:08 |
| th1a | Sort of a community ringer. | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | lol | 03:08 |
| sky123_ | I used to play trumpet...now its just the radio...and i have trouble doing that now | 03:09 |
| sky123_ | he he | 03:09 |
| sky123_ | so lets see do you just want to send it to my email? | 03:09 |
| th1a | Oh, phone? | 03:09 |
| sky123_ | the number that is.. or how shall we pass info | 03:09 |
| sky123_ | yep | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | or do you want to do it on here | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | or pm | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | or whatever?? | 03:10 |
| th1a | What's your email? | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | ill be on the road for about an hour and figured id just call you | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | achandra@linuxpresence.com | 03:10 |
| th1a | OK. | 03:10 |
| sky123_ | yep | 03:11 |
| sky123_ | i know its not good practice to post up email...but this is important enough to me.. | 03:11 |
| th1a | Oh, sorry. | 03:11 |
| sky123_ | no problem...its all good | 03:11 |
| th1a | I just let GMail filter my piles of spam. | 03:11 |
| th1a | Did you send me an email over the weekend? | 03:12 |
| sky123_ | like i said this "project" conceptually has been on my mind now for 7+ years | 03:12 |
| th1a | There is unquestionably a need for it. | 03:12 |
| sky123_ | the only thing before school tool was a project that is now nearly dead called Bessie the Annihilator from a couple of guys in Cambridge | 03:12 |
| sky123_ | dont even know if its alive...its was php and mysql | 03:13 |
| th1a | There is Centre, which is the only one getting much traction. | 03:13 |
| th1a | But it is pretty bad php. | 03:13 |
| sky123_ | okay...will check for the email | 03:13 |
| th1a | And OpenAdmin, which is also php. | 03:13 |
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| th1a | sky123_ sent. | 03:14 |
| sky123_ | got it...thanks | 03:14 |
| sky123_ | nice to meet you Tom...my name is Akash....which means sky in Bengali...hence the handle | 03:15 |
| sky123_ | :) | 03:15 |
| th1a | Ah, I see. | 03:16 |
| sky123_ | 6:30 it is...looking forward to our conversation | 03:17 |
| th1a | I'm sorry I hadn't yet replied to your email. | 03:18 |
| sky123_ | no problem | 03:18 |
| th1a | I must admit I've gotten so many emails from people who would like to help that have led to nothing that I'm losing my enthusiasm for answering. | 03:19 |
| th1a | Which is also why we need some enthusiastic new blood to kick me in the ass. | 03:19 |
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| sky123_ | This "stuff" is seriously in my blood...so you'll get the necessary pushing :) | 03:20 |
| sky123_ | I think the time is VERY VERY good to make some serious strides on this | 03:21 |
| sky123_ | and doesnt hurt to have Mark's backing on this stuff | 03:21 |
| th1a | I'm a teacher and pretty heavily invested in the assessment end of this. | 03:22 |
| sky123_ | ;) | 03:22 |
| sky123_ | AHHH....NOW we are talking! | 03:22 |
| sky123_ | I agree.. | 03:22 |
| th1a | So yes, we should have plenty to talk about. | 03:22 |
| sky123_ | I personally had to deal with this as a teacher a "project based" school and this was EXACTLY the crux if you will.. so yeah...lets talk more later | 03:23 |
| sky123_ | :) | 03:23 |
| th1a | Super. | 03:23 |
| th1a | Thanks for coming by. ;-) | 03:23 |
| sky123_ | np | 03:29 |
| ignas | good night | 03:29 |
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| sky123_ | thnx you guys...time to hit the 101 FWY for me :) | 03:30 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Add a small bit of sanity to calendar event onHover. | 18:08 |
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| * jinty starts to release the schooltool 2006 beta | 20:37 | |
| povbot` | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 6445: | 20:41 |
| povbot` | /svn/commits: Tagging 2006.0-beta1 | 20:41 |
| Lumiere | yay | 20:43 |
| Lumiere | jinty: I have our svn internal up | 20:44 |
| Lumiere | we'll be testing whatever bugs have been committed today | 20:44 |
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| jinty | Lumiere: great, I think help fixing schooltool bugs would be much appreciated | 20:51 |
| jinty | because it looks like nobody is doing much of that now. | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | well | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | most of our testing is on cando | 20:51 |
| Lumiere | I don't know if we're hitting any schooltool bugs yet | 20:51 |
| jinty | well, there is at least one you hit regularly | 20:52 |
| Lumiere | the skin? | 20:52 |
| jinty | yep | 20:52 |
| jinty | more of a missing feature really | 20:52 |
| toxygen | is schooltool going to be skinnable?> | 20:53 |
| Lumiere | by skin... I am talking about the UI stuff... | 20:54 |
| Lumiere | and there are 2 bits | 20:54 |
| Lumiere | the schooltool skin and cando has a skin as well | 20:55 |
| jinty | toxygen: it is skinable in a very hackish way right now, but resolving http://issues.schooltool.org/issue509 would make it non-hackish | 20:55 |
| Lumiere | yes please :) | 20:55 |
| povbot` | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 6446: | 20:56 |
| povbot` | /svn/commits: Set version number as 2006.0-beta1 | 20:56 |
| jinty | unfortunately I only have the volunteer time available to make releases and keep the build system up to date | 20:56 |
| jinty | and make packages... | 20:58 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: * exporting to XML * cleanup * mapping between roundup status and malone status * mapping between roundup priority and malone importance | 21:35 |
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