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| m5m | I'm playing with schooltool, looking for grades-management utilities... are they part of it? anyone recommend a good gradebook-like program for teachers? | 09:26 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6227: | 15:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Fix functional tests someone forgot to run. | 15:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: I don't really like the current state of the dashboard though and would like to see items in categories as viewlets on their own. As one can't have permissions set up properly the way they are done now. | 15:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: As there is no fallback for browsers without javascript support I can't quite understand how is this dashboard better than the menu on the left. | 15:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6228: | 15:23 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Remove the objects stored in annotations of person.person.Person as when deleting a person removal subscribers can modify the data stored in there (and we don't want persons calendar cleared when migrating). | 15:23 |
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| ignas | pcardune: hi | 15:53 |
| pcardune | hey, i just saw your email | 15:54 |
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| ignas | btw, wasn't dashboard planned as a separate view | 15:54 |
| ignas | that would replace the calendar as the start page | 15:54 |
| ignas | for our users ? | 15:54 |
| pcardune | maybe, I talked to Tom though and he said the dashboard has basically fell out of development, and I was free to improve it as I saw fit | 15:55 |
| ignas | oh | 15:55 |
| ignas | i see | 15:55 |
| pcardune | I do agree thought that there should be a non-javascript alternative | 15:55 |
| ignas | what was originally envisioned was a view with slots for viewlets that any part of the application could plug into | 15:56 |
| ignas | so that it would not have timetable url hardcoded | 15:57 |
| ignas | instead it would have a slot and the timetable dashboard viewlet would be in the timetabling module | 15:57 |
| ignas | same for levels etc. | 15:57 |
| pcardune | right, it works well that way, I've already created viewlets for cando modules | 15:57 |
| ignas | i see | 15:57 |
| pcardune | I'll start up a dev server if you want to see what it looks like | 15:58 |
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| ignas | ok | 16:00 |
| pcardune | ignas: http://bonnieb.yhspatriot.net:7080 login as pcardune, password is banana | 16:01 |
| ignas | looks nice | 16:03 |
| pcardune | I was sort of thinking the dashboard could be something a la MacOSX, where it is always available at the click of a button | 16:04 |
| pcardune | A downside is that any computationally intensive operations would be called every single time a page was loaded | 16:05 |
| pcardune | those viewlets would probably have to use AJAX | 16:06 |
| ignas | the problem is | 16:06 |
| ignas | that schooltool has to run on low end hardware | 16:07 |
| ignas | if not server then at least clients | 16:07 |
| ignas | and requiring AJAX to use schooltool efficiently is not what Tom would approve (i think) | 16:07 |
| ignas | unless there will be some alternative ways to access the same content | 16:08 |
| ignas | let's say if JS is not available - make the dashboard button lead to a view | 16:08 |
| ignas | that displays the same information | 16:08 |
| pcardune | i agree | 16:08 |
| pcardune | In fact, I might as well work on that today | 16:08 |
| pcardune | Maybe the view should be a pop-up window? or is that generally distasteful? | 16:09 |
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| ignas | i'd consider it distasteful ;) | 16:10 |
| ignas | as if one wants it to open in a new window it's easily done in all browsers | 16:11 |
| pcardune | yeah, i suppose that's true | 16:11 |
| pcardune | ok, well I'll work on making an alternative view then | 16:11 |
| ignas | i'd even go as far as to put the view as the default one a person sees when he logs in | 16:11 |
| ignas | instead of his own calendar | 16:12 |
| ignas | or maybe not | 16:12 |
| ignas | depends on who that person is | 16:12 |
| pcardune | ignas: why does it depend on who the person is? | 16:12 |
| pcardune | shouldn't everyone have a dashboard? | 16:12 |
| ignas | well - a teacher wants to see his upcomming lectures and maybe some attendance tasks that are hanging | 16:13 |
| ignas | manager want to easily access other functions | 16:13 |
| ignas | and some people won't even have lectures | 16:13 |
| pcardune | calendar viewlet? That is what I would personally prefer | 16:13 |
| ignas | more than one | 16:13 |
| ignas | with emphasis on your timetable or just event list | 16:14 |
| ignas | or a full fledged looking just like the one you can see in the calendar view | 16:14 |
| ignas | but there was no time to do that really :/ | 16:14 |
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| pcardune | ignas: do you know of a way to check for javascript in a page template? as in, before any rendering of structures occurs? | 16:56 |
| ignas | i'd do it the other way | 16:58 |
| ignas | by default display a link | 16:58 |
| ignas | and with javascript convert the link into a button | 16:58 |
| ignas | or something like that | 16:58 |
| ignas | oh | 16:58 |
| pcardune | actually, that makes perfect sense | 16:58 |
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| pcardune | ignas: the reason I want to check for javascript in the page template is to avoid rendering the viewlets in a div that will never end up being displayed | 17:06 |
| ignas | you can't probably | 17:06 |
| ignas | as even modern browsers can have javascript disabled | 17:06 |
| pcardune | I just wonder if zope gets that kind of information when a page request is sent | 17:07 |
| ignas | nope | 17:07 |
| ignas | it's not HTTP standard so you can't expect it | 17:08 |
| pcardune | blast | 17:08 |
| ignas | you can do it with AJAX | 17:09 |
| ignas | display an empty div with an ID by default | 17:09 |
| ignas | and if javascript works | 17:09 |
| pcardune | yeah... i guess I'll really have to look into it then | 17:09 |
| ignas | transform it into a button | 17:09 |
| ignas | and maybe even download the content | 17:09 |
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| erchache | hi! | 17:34 |
| erchache | i move my schooltool instance from a hoary server to a dapper server | 17:35 |
| erchache | and i see two strange things | 17:35 |
| erchache | first: my data.fs is 104 MB :-S tooooo big....how i can pack it? I dont have zmi | 17:35 |
| erchache | second: when try to start schooltool server says my database arent recognize....how i can solve this? | 17:36 |
| erchache | jinty ignas mgedmin | 17:37 |
| ignas | don't really know | 17:37 |
| erchache | Could not initialize the database: | 17:37 |
| erchache | [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable | 17:37 |
| erchache | Perhaps another SchoolTool instance is using it? | 17:37 |
| erchache | :-S | 17:37 |
| ignas | well - it says "Perhaps another SchoolTool instance is using it" | 17:38 |
| erchache | how i can pack database...like zope? | 17:38 |
| erchache | nope...this server are clean | 17:38 |
| ignas | and you can't pack the database at the moment iirc | 17:38 |
| erchache | why? | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | because there are no global zcml-defined zope principals | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | and ++etc++process does not go through the schooltool site in the ZODB, so you can't authenticate as a manager | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | um, at least that was the reason a while ago | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | things might have changed significantly recently with the security policy changes in schooltool | 17:39 |
| ignas | in ST2006 managers will be able to access that view | 17:40 |
| erchache | mi database is tooo big...104 MB...i have little data here i think so... | 17:40 |
| erchache | with lastest svn stable can pass from schooltool 0.11.4? | 17:40 |
| ignas | maybe | 17:40 |
| ignas | not 100% sure | 17:40 |
| ignas | evolution scripts are not totaly stable at the moment | 17:41 |
| ignas | let's say yesterday they would have wiped your calendars clean | 17:41 |
| erchache | well a good time to test it.... :-P | 17:41 |
| erchache | my server doesnt run so...make a backup and try and error | 17:41 |
| erchache | im going to download lastest svn and try | 17:41 |
| erchache | a second... | 17:41 |
| erchache | Traceback (most recent call last): | 17:53 |
| erchache | File "setup.eggs.py", line 34, in ? | 17:53 |
| erchache | from setuptools import setup, find_packages | 17:53 |
| erchache | ImportError: No module named setuptools | 17:54 |
| erchache | make: *** [build] Error 1 | 17:54 |
| erchache | this appears when try "MAKE TEST" | 17:54 |
| erchache | ignas | 17:55 |
| ignas | yep | 17:55 |
| ignas | you must get up to date setuptools | 17:55 |
| erchache | how...apt? | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | the version in ubuntu dapper is too old | 17:55 |
| erchache | :-S | 17:56 |
| erchache | too old? | 17:56 |
| erchache | need to use next to dapper? :-O | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | you can find a newer version somewhere... trygoogle | 17:56 |
| erchache | wasnt installed! | 17:58 |
| erchache | error in schooltool setup command: 'install_requires' must be a string or list of strings containing valid project/version requirement specifiers | 17:58 |
| erchache | megedmin | 17:58 |
| erchache | mgedmin | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | I've never seen this before | 17:59 |
| erchache | ignas | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | is faasen here? | 17:59 |
| erchache | faasen | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | s/s/ss/ | 17:59 |
| erchache | faaseen | 17:59 |
| erchache | joder... :-S | 17:59 |
| erchache | faassen | 17:59 |
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| erchache | heheheh i jump step 4 | 18:05 |
| erchache | :-P | 18:05 |
| pcardune | erchache: there is a link to the correct setup tools version on the schooltool site, under documentation | 18:06 |
| erchache | yepa yepa | 18:07 |
| erchache | :-D | 18:07 |
| erchache | i read too fast | 18:07 |
| erchache | and jump it | 18:07 |
| erchache | sorry :-D | 18:07 |
| erchache | la ostia puta! :-D | 18:11 |
| erchache | this looks very very good! :-D | 18:11 |
| erchache | a lot of hard hard work on this! :-O | 18:11 |
| erchache | i dont recognize new environment of schooltool 2006 :-O | 18:12 |
| erchache | weell schooltool 2006 svn run supercool! | 18:13 |
| toxygen | ;) | 18:13 |
| toxygen | when did you last time try it? | 18:13 |
| erchache | now im going to restart with old schooltool 0.11.4 Data.fs to show if upgrades or not | 18:13 |
| erchache | uff...3 month at least | 18:14 |
| erchache | i have a lot of work | 18:14 |
| erchache | and dont have enough time to spend on schooltool | 18:14 |
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| erchache | pufff a supererror log when try to up schooltool 2006 with old database :-P | 18:17 |
| erchache | th1a: hi tom | 18:17 |
| erchache | im trying to upgrade my old schooltool to svn | 18:18 |
| pcardune | these tests take *really* long | 18:18 |
| erchache | http://pastebin.com/704440 | 18:20 |
| erchache | here is message error | 18:20 |
| erchache | pcardune | 18:21 |
| erchache | th1a | 18:21 |
| erchache | ignas | 18:21 |
| th1a | hi erchache | 18:21 |
| erchache | hi :-d | 18:21 |
| erchache | actual schooltool 2006 cant upgrade from schooltool 0.11.4 | 18:22 |
| erchache | Do I send to mailinglist with error log? | 18:22 |
| erchache | or are too alpha for this? | 18:23 |
| th1a | Well, we don't make any claims at all that it will work with a random svn version. | 18:23 |
| erchache | what is state-of-the-art of upgrade? | 18:23 |
| th1a | We are working on an actual release now. | 18:23 |
| erchache | other question is that i move my schooltool 0.11.4 of server and doesnt run | 18:23 |
| ignas | erchache: wow, your schooltool is OLD | 18:24 |
| erchache | very very :-( | 18:24 |
| ignas | but we should support it still | 18:24 |
| ignas | if possible could you gzip and email me the Data.fs | 18:24 |
| erchache | for this reason i want to upgrade | 18:24 |
| ignas | or is it ridden with private data | 18:24 |
| erchache | no no i dont have private data | 18:24 |
| erchache | yet :-P | 18:24 |
| erchache | but its too big | 18:25 |
| ignas | after gziping it it should be around 4-5 mb | 18:25 |
| erchache | i dont know level compresion of bzip2 | 18:25 |
| erchache | perhaps... | 18:25 |
| erchache | a second | 18:25 |
| th1a | thanks ignas. | 18:25 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * pcardune committed revision 6229: | 18:25 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Added support for javascript disabled browsers | 18:26 |
| erchache | Could not initialize the database: | 18:26 |
| erchache | [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable | 18:26 |
| erchache | Perhaps another SchoolTool instance is using it? | 18:26 |
| erchache | this appears on my 0.11.4 when move to other server | 18:27 |
| erchache | i dont know why | 18:27 |
| erchache | and 2006 runs ok but cant upgrade from 0.11.4 | 18:27 |
| ignas | i'd suspect either the port being taken | 18:27 |
| erchache | nope | 18:27 |
| ignas | or Data.fs having wrong permissions on it | 18:27 |
| erchache | this server are clean | 18:27 |
| erchache | uhmmm | 18:27 |
| ignas | look at schooltool.conf | 18:27 |
| erchache | perhaps... | 18:27 |
| erchache | i dont see chmod | 18:27 |
| ignas | and check what port it is on | 18:27 |
| erchache | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119M 2006-06-12 15:32 Data.fs | 18:28 |
| ignas | only root can write | 18:28 |
| erchache | port arent problem...i cant run daemon | 18:28 |
| erchache | yeahn im like root | 18:28 |
| erchache | im on a testing server now :-P | 18:28 |
| ignas | what is the port then | 18:28 |
| erchache | 7080 | 18:28 |
| erchache | but dont see port | 18:28 |
| erchache | python schooltool-server -d doesnt run | 18:28 |
| erchache | :-D | 18:28 |
| ignas | -d doesn't mean that it won't use the port | 18:29 |
| ignas | it means that it will be running as a daemon | 18:29 |
| ignas | can you try telneting to peor 7080 of that server | 18:29 |
| ignas | or check it out with some browser | 18:29 |
| erchache | ignas: ISNT A COMMUNICATION PROOOOBLEEEEEEM | 18:30 |
| erchache | root@ubuntu:/usr/local/schooltool# python schooltool-server.py | 18:30 |
| erchache | Leyendo configuración desde schooltool.conf.in | 18:30 |
| erchache | Could not initialize the database: | 18:30 |
| erchache | [Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable | 18:30 |
| erchache | Perhaps another SchoolTool instance is using it? | 18:30 |
| ignas | killall python ? :D | 18:31 |
| pcardune | th1a: do have a second to look at my dashboard update? | 18:31 |
| ignas | you can also try removing Data.fs.lock | 18:31 |
| ignas | if you moved the file from the other computer | 18:31 |
| erchache | runs now | 18:31 |
| erchache | :-P | 18:31 |
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| erchache | was a permission problem | 18:33 |
| erchache | chmod 644 solves it | 18:33 |
| erchache | ok....i have schooltool 0.11.4 too old like noe's boat running | 18:33 |
| erchache | schooltool 2006 svn runs from fresh install | 18:33 |
| erchache | and doesnt run with Data.fs from 0.11.4 | 18:34 |
| th1a | erchache: I guess we should start collecting those at http://issues.schooltool.org | 18:35 |
| erchache | ok...i send to issues | 18:36 |
| th1a | And work on solving them next week. | 18:36 |
| erchache | dont worry time isnt a problem.... | 18:36 |
| erchache | but i want to document all you need to make a correct upgrade | 18:36 |
| pcardune | th1a: http://bonnieb.yhspatriot.net:7080/persons/pcardune/ login: pcardune password: banana | 18:37 |
| ignas | th1a: when is the release ? as i am afraid that there will be some tasks that will have to be completed before releasing that are not a part of access control stories, but will have to be completed ... | 18:43 |
| ignas | like testing migration from old schooltools, solving the mess with eggs etc. | 18:44 |
| erchache | http://issues.schooltool.org/issue491 | 18:47 |
| erchache | here is my issue | 18:47 |
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| ignas | erchache: can you send me the Data.fs | 18:50 |
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| erchache | yepa | 18:53 |
| erchache | where? | 18:53 |
| erchache | ignas | 18:53 |
| ignas | ignas@pov.lt | 18:53 |
| erchache | ok | 18:53 |
| erchache | i send a copy now | 18:53 |
| ignas | thanks | 18:55 |
| erchache | not....thanks to you ;-P | 18:55 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6230: | 18:57 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Make commendations traversible into so they would have their own proper permissions. | 18:57 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Shift context of views that were based on IHaveCommendations objects before as now they are on ICommendations objects. | 18:57 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6231: | 18:58 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Make person calendar publishable. Remove schooltool.addEvents and schooltool.create permissions replacing them with schooltool.edit. | 18:58 |
| erchache | ignas: 12 mb bzip2 | 18:59 |
| erchache | too big for your mail? | 19:00 |
| ignas | send it to ignas.mikalajunas@gmail.com | 19:00 |
| ignas | then | 19:00 |
| erchache | hehehe ;-) | 19:00 |
| erchache | ignas: do you need admin user and pass? | 19:03 |
| ignas | would be nice probably ;) | 19:03 |
| erchache | ok | 19:03 |
| ignas | though i could just turn off security checks ;) | 19:03 |
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| pcardune_ | in case anyone doesn't know, the US is playing Czech Republic right now | 19:04 |
| erchache | ufff...if win US will be a miracle | 19:05 |
| erchache | all US players are parents europeans... :-P | 19:06 |
| pcardune_ | erchache: no kidding, we are already down by 1 | 19:06 |
| erchache | osita! | 19:06 |
| erchache | in cant belive this! | 19:06 |
| erchache | Us winning for 1 to Czech! | 19:06 |
| pcardune_ | the US is down by 1... the US is losing | 19:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6232: | 19:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Update the table. | 19:09 |
| erchache | ahhh | 19:10 |
| erchache | normal :-D | 19:10 |
| erchache | are so bad! | 19:10 |
| erchache | :-P | 19:10 |
| erchache | but spain.....spain is different | 19:10 |
| erchache | the best world league and never win nothing | 19:11 |
| erchache | :-D | 19:11 |
| erchache | ignas: send it! | 19:11 |
| ignas | waiting :) | 19:12 |
| erchache | hehehe | 19:14 |
| erchache | http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/Enciclopedia:Nuestros_servidores/Fotos_granja | 19:14 |
| erchache | here are photos of my machines | 19:14 |
| erchache | http://enciclopedia.us.es/index.php/Usuario:Asmarin | 19:15 |
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| erchache | and memory waste optimization.....how is this too? | 19:30 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 6233: | 20:53 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Added a couple of BBBs. Resurected PersonDetails class. Shuffled BBB imports a bit to avoid circular imports. | 20:53 |
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| rjelliso | pcardune: Hi. You're here? | 21:55 |
| pcardune | rjelliso: yes, I'm here | 21:56 |
| rjelliso | Ah, good. His Royal Majesty (Jeff) told me to ask you why the bonnieb server isn't running (Port 7080) : > | 21:57 |
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| pcardune | rjelliso: it is now | 21:58 |
| rjelliso | All righty, thanks. | 21:59 |
| pcardune | th1a: ayt? | 22:00 |
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| jinty | th1a: ping | 22:03 |
| pcardune | jinty: do you think th1a would be against me committing javascript that wasn't compatible with IE? | 22:04 |
| jinty | to schooltool? | 22:04 |
| pcardune | yeah | 22:04 |
| jinty | probably, but better ask him | 22:05 |
| pcardune | jinty: darn... I don't have a way to test IE | 22:09 |
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| jinty | pcardune: I would guess it's even worse than that, schooltool should work even if javascript doesn't. But that's really only my opinion. | 22:12 |
| pcardune | jinty: oh yeah, that works, there is support for no javascript... but IE has javascript | 22:13 |
| pcardune | maybe I will just check for IE and disable all the cool features | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | pcardune: or you could check www.quirksmode.org for any features that are not supported by IE | 22:20 |
| pcardune | mgedmin: cool, I'll take a look at that | 22:21 |
| pcardune | mgedmin: do you know of a way to put dynamic content into javascript through a page template? | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | it is painful | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | <tal:block replace="structure string:<script type="text/javascript"> et cetera" /> | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | on second thought, don't do that | 22:29 |
| pcardune | that does look painful | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | maybe <tal:block replace="structure view/extra_javascript" /> | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | where the view has a | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | def extra_javascript(self): | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | return """<script type="text/javascript"> ... </script>""" | 22:30 |
| pcardune | alright then... I guess I'll try that | 22:30 |
| pcardune | thanks | 22:31 |
| pcardune | ajax is soo sweet | 22:46 |
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