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| th1a | srichter: ayt? | 01:20 |
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| srichter | yeah | 01:21 |
| th1a | I'm finding the lack of the equivalent of <div> in RML to be vexing. | 01:21 |
| th1a | For doing tal:repeat loops. | 01:22 |
| th1a | There isn't a meaningless structural tag like <div> | 01:22 |
| th1a | Do you know what I mean? | 01:24 |
| srichter | aehm, you can use: | 01:25 |
| th1a | I need to loop through each student, creating a report for each student within a single giant document. | 01:25 |
| srichter | <tal:block repeat=""> | 01:25 |
| th1a | Ah. | 01:25 |
| srichter | "block" is arbitrary | 01:26 |
| srichter | could also be | 01:26 |
| srichter | <tal:loop repeat=""> | 01:26 |
| th1a | Gotcha. | 01:26 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 01:26 |
| th1a | Hopefully this will get me over my fear of TAL. | 01:27 |
| srichter | yeah | 01:27 |
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| jelkner | th1a: tom, are you here? | 21:21 |
| jelkner | anybody home? | 21:38 |
| jelkner | th1a: tom, i just cc'd you an email about NECC 2006. it is time to start thinking about that. | 21:39 |
| jelkner | do you have plans to go this year? | 21:39 |
| jelkner | srichter: stephan, are you here? | 21:40 |
| srichter | yep | 21:40 |
| jelkner | jinty? | 21:40 |
| jelkner | quick question while i've got you: | 21:40 |
| jelkner | when would be good for you in july to do a cando/schooltool sprint down here? | 21:40 |
| srichter | anytime after June 30 is good for me (I am teaching May and June) | 21:41 |
| jelkner | it would definitely be july | 21:41 |
| srichter | I think Tom also wants to go to this NE teacher meeting around July 16-19 | 21:41 |
| srichter | But that's it | 21:41 |
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| th1a | I have returned. | 21:42 |
| jelkner | good | 21:42 |
| jelkner | we are trying to plan for july | 21:42 |
| th1a | We've now produced the first SchoolTool created report cards. | 21:42 |
| th1a | They're going out tonight. | 21:42 |
| jelkner | which is fast approaching | 21:42 |
| jelkner | cool! | 21:42 |
| jelkner | where? | 21:42 |
| srichter | th1a: AWESOME!!!! | 21:42 |
| srichter | th1a: can you send me a sample? | 21:42 |
| th1a | Uh... it is a 1300 page PDF. | 21:42 |
| th1a | Not very sexy either. I had trouble doing much with RML my first time around. | 21:43 |
| th1a | I'll show you though. | 21:43 |
| srichter | if you could send me one page, it would be great | 21:44 |
| jelkner | th1a: is now a good time to ask you about july? | 21:44 |
| srichter | how was your pdftemplate experience? | 21:44 |
| th1a | One thing I learned is that for a report this big/complex, raw reportlab python is probably better. | 21:44 |
| srichter | really? | 21:44 |
| th1a | jelkner: Bear in mind that I'm bringing Albert from POV and probably someone from Infrae over four the sprint in NH. | 21:45 |
| srichter | that's interesting, since people have told me the opposite | 21:45 |
| jelkner | are you going to NECC? | 21:45 |
| th1a | Well, I definitely don't know the ins and outs of what I can do with TAL. | 21:45 |
| th1a | jelkner: Yes. | 21:45 |
| th1a | And I'll be there for a while before and/or after working with High Tech High. | 21:46 |
| jelkner | pcardune said he is going to the NE sprint as well | 21:46 |
| th1a | jelkner: But you specifically want to do one in VA? | 21:46 |
| jelkner | yes | 21:47 |
| jelkner | we will have about half a dozen students ready to participate | 21:47 |
| th1a | OK, so you can't bring all of them to NH. | 21:47 |
| jelkner | flying them all up north would be too expensive | 21:47 |
| jelkner | hmm | 21:47 |
| th1a | I see. | 21:47 |
| jelkner | maybe you have a point | 21:48 |
| jelkner | it might be more fun for them to go there | 21:48 |
| th1a | It would be very cool. | 21:48 |
| jelkner | it depends what happens to dave and i next tuesday in richmond | 21:48 |
| th1a | University campus. | 21:48 |
| jelkner | what are the dates for that? | 21:48 |
| jelkner | i'm still not sure we don't want to do both | 21:49 |
| jelkner | a schooltool sprint up there | 21:49 |
| srichter | I think we want both | 21:49 |
| jelkner | and a cando sprint down here | 21:49 |
| th1a | Either way can work. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/moodle/ | 21:49 |
| srichter | more events == more noise == more development == more goodness :-) | 21:49 |
| jelkner | we are also working with devIS on this project | 21:49 |
| jelkner | i'm sure we could get a few of there developers to participate down here | 21:49 |
| th1a | Right. That's why I figured you'd need to stay down there. | 21:49 |
| jelkner | s/there/their | 21:50 |
| jelkner | but that in no way precludes a smaller group from here attending NE as well | 21:50 |
| jelkner | in addition to pcardune | 21:50 |
| th1a | Yes. A few more people up there would be cool. | 21:51 |
| th1a | NELS is Matt Oquist & Dave Trask. | 21:51 |
| th1a | If you didn't know that. | 21:51 |
| jelkner | yes | 21:51 |
| jelkner | they talked to me about it in montreal | 21:51 |
| jelkner | matt did | 21:51 |
| jelkner | and dave | 21:51 |
| jelkner | do you have the url for that? | 21:52 |
| jelkner | http://www.ccscne.org | 21:52 |
| jelkner | ? | 21:52 |
| jelkner | no, that's not it | 21:53 |
| th1a | That's the Moodle URL above. | 21:53 |
| jelkner | http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS/index.html | 21:54 |
| jelkner | got it! | 21:54 |
| jelkner | June 19 to 21 | 21:54 |
| th1a | There are two this year. | 21:55 |
| th1a | Our sprint is at the NH one. | 21:55 |
| th1a | July 16-19. | 21:55 |
| jelkner | ahh | 21:56 |
| jelkner | better | 21:56 |
| jelkner | http://linuxsymposium.net | 21:57 |
| jelkner | there it is | 21:57 |
| jelkner | necc is july 5-7 | 21:58 |
| jelkner | what are your plans for that? | 21:59 |
| jelkner | would you be available to help steve with the free software center? | 21:59 |
| th1a | Yes. Definitely. | 21:59 |
| jelkner | i just sent him an email and cc'd you | 21:59 |
| jelkner | he has begun to organize for that already | 21:59 |
| th1a | Yes, I sent out a ping about it to the K12OSN list a couple weeks ago to make sure people hadn't forgotten about it. | 22:00 |
| jelkner | again, a lot depends for me on what happens next tuesday | 22:00 |
| jelkner | if we get the state grant, i may be able to go representing cando | 22:01 |
| jelkner | otherwise i'll ask canonical again if they want an edubuntu person there | 22:01 |
| th1a | Oh, so you wouldn't be going otherwise? | 22:01 |
| th1a | Ah. | 22:01 |
| jelkner | (otherwise i can't go ;-( | 22:01 |
| jelkner | well, i don't think i can afford to do all these things on my own dime | 22:02 |
| jelkner | some, yes | 22:02 |
| jelkner | but not all | 22:02 |
| jelkner | a trip to nh is much cheaper for me | 22:02 |
| jelkner | i can drive | 22:02 |
| jelkner | so that one i could do | 22:02 |
| jelkner | but san diego is far | 22:02 |
| th1a | A long drive. | 22:03 |
| jelkner | indeed! | 22:03 |
| th1a | Still, cheap via SouthWest. | 22:03 |
| th1a | I should book my flight & get my hotel rooms. | 22:03 |
| th1a | I require multiple rooms. | 22:04 |
| th1a | One for me and one for my ego. | 22:04 |
| jelkner | maybe i could room with your ego? | 22:04 |
| th1a | I'm afraid that was a joke. | 22:05 |
| th1a | However, sharing a room isn't out of t he question. | 22:05 |
| jelkner | that would make things much more affordable | 22:05 |
| jelkner | well, i need to run | 22:05 |
| jelkner | i'll be seeing welsh this afternoon | 22:05 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:06 |
| th1a | srichter: I don't seem to have your phone number handy. | 22:06 |
| jelkner | how does week of july 25 look for sprint down here? | 22:07 |
| th1a | I've only got NELS and NECC on my July calendar so far. | 22:08 |
| jelkner | good, so that week is open | 22:10 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll talk to dave and get back to you | 22:10 |
| jelkner | srichter: does that work for you? | 22:11 |
| * jelkner will have to get srichter's response later... he needs to go... | 22:11 | |
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| srichter | owrks for me | 22:38 |
| srichter | th1a: 617-764-5224 | 22:40 |
| th1a | srichter: Let me see if my sister is off the phone. | 22:41 |
| srichter | he he | 22:41 |
| th1a | She's getting ready to go visit her Chinese boyfriend. | 22:42 |
| srichter | ah, where is that? | 22:42 |
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| dwelsh | srichter: stephan, are you here? | 23:26 |
| th1a | dwelsh: I just got off the phone with him. | 23:27 |
| srichter | dwelsh: yes | 23:27 |
| dwelsh | this is jeff down at the career center (impersonating dwelsh ;) | 23:27 |
| dwelsh | did you get to talk to jim fulton? | 23:27 |
| srichter | cool | 23:27 |
| dwelsh | we have the big meeting in richmond next tuesday | 23:27 |
| srichter | no not yet; I'll promise I talk to him and Rob till tomorrow | 23:28 |
| srichter | :-) | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | and our mission is to allay their fears about problems from zope corp | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | anything you can do to help us would be *greatly* appreciated! | 23:28 |
| th1a | Allay whose fears? | 23:28 |
| srichter | what problems | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | the state contracts with zope corp | 23:28 |
| th1a | That doesn't make any sense. | 23:29 |
| srichter | if you could send me some political and historical background, I would appreciate it | 23:29 |
| dwelsh | they don't understand the whole free software thing | 23:29 |
| dwelsh | hey, this is really welsh with the background | 23:29 |
| dwelsh | it was elkner before | 23:29 |
| th1a | They think Zope Corp has a problem with SchoolTool? | 23:29 |
| dwelsh | No | 23:30 |
| th1a | CanDo? | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | No necessarily | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | the concern is that the State already is contracting with zope corp | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | to put the state competencies online, plus some basic curriculum | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | I'll bet zope corp has been working with the schools for three or more years | 23:31 |
| dwelsh | the overall concern is that we coordinate our efforts | 23:31 |
| dwelsh | because the state may want to incorporate what we are doing into what they are doing | 23:31 |
| dwelsh | but a more concrete concern may be that someone somewhere may have had the idea | 23:32 |
| dwelsh | that zope corp should write a competency tracker for VA Schools | 23:32 |
| srichter | oh, if this is the concern, I'll better talk to Rob | 23:32 |
| th1a | I've spoken to Rob (Page) about SchoolTool, btw. | 23:33 |
| dwelsh | I honestly don't know what zope corp and the state have talked about with regards to future work | 23:33 |
| dwelsh | but I do know that we have done some great work on this problem | 23:33 |
| dwelsh | and at a minimum would hate to see the state start on the problem from scratch | 23:33 |
| dwelsh | at a maximum, we want the state to put money towards our effort, as they planned to do | 23:33 |
| dwelsh | and coordinate with zope corp so that we are helping each other and not duplicating efforts | 23:34 |
| th1a | Rob expressed interest to me in licensing our calendaring code, but I don't think he followed up on it with Mark. | 23:34 |
| dwelsh | I guess that would be the main concern... duplication of effort | 23:34 |
| srichter | I am calling rob now | 23:34 |
| dwelsh | don't make anyone mad, please | 23:34 |
| dwelsh | we're planning to go in to the Tuesday meeting showing our work | 23:35 |
| th1a | dwelsh: I don't think that it is out of the question that Zope Corp. would be interested in working from our codebase. | 23:35 |
| dwelsh | and exploring how we can work with zope corp and the state to fully develop and deploy Cando | 23:35 |
| * th1a wonders if Zope Corp's rates are lower than I imagine. | 23:36 | |
| dwelsh | Elkner assures us they're not | 23:36 |
| th1a | I guess once you get to the state DOE level, you've got $$$ to blow. | 23:37 |
| dwelsh | we need money to invest wisely, on our end!!!!! | 23:37 |
| srichter | ok, all is good | 23:38 |
| srichter | Zope Corp has a public API that can be used to syndicate the data | 23:39 |
| srichter | all you need to do is get access via a password from the state | 23:39 |
| th1a | A public API they aren't telling anyone about? | 23:39 |
| srichter | well, Rob will be more than happy to provide us with the docs | 23:39 |
| th1a | States are doing such a shitty job with this kind of stuff. | 23:39 |
| th1a | Yeah, it isn't Zope Corp's responsibility, really. | 23:40 |
| srichter | he just does not have the authority over the actual data | 23:40 |
| srichter | the state is paranoid, he said, about publishing standards on multiple sites | 23:41 |
| srichter | rob said he lectured the state on the fact that syndication is good as long as the state remains the main source | 23:41 |
| th1a | If states would really take interoperability seriously we could make some actual progress. | 23:41 |
| srichter | so it is not a technical issue at all | 23:42 |
| srichter | its a political one | 23:42 |
| srichter | dwelsh: jeff, I think it would be good for you to suggest a three-party meeting; because it will be you and Zope Corp against the fear of the state | 23:42 |
| srichter | from what I know from Rob, they are not into competency tracking at all | 23:43 |
| srichter | still there or am I talking to myself? :-) | 23:44 |
| srichter | dwelsh: did you get my private message with Rob's info? | 23:44 |
| tiredbones | On the sprint in NH can anyone pay thier dime and listen in on what is being said? | 23:45 |
| srichter | tiredbones: yeah, I think it is a pretty open conference | 23:46 |
| tiredbones | What goes on at these sprints? | 23:46 |
| th1a | tiredbones: Absolutely. | 23:47 |
| th1a | Well, this will be the first SchoolTool sprint. | 23:47 |
| tiredbones | Do you talk about the internals of the system? | 23:48 |
| th1a | (I've been waiting for NELS to get their new site to really publicize this, actually) | 23:48 |
| th1a | tiredbones: This will be a little unusual as a sprint. | 23:48 |
| th1a | The first day we'll do a workshop with an audience of school sys admins & tech coordinators (mostly) walking them through setting up ST. | 23:49 |
| dwelsh | we're back and catching up on our reading:) | 23:49 |
| tiredbones | th1a, Is this just to show the product? | 23:49 |
| th1a | Well, at NELS, what you do actually is bring one of your servers from school and set it up on site. | 23:49 |
| th1a | And when you do a workshop you actually install the software for real. | 23:50 |
| th1a | So if you run into bizarre seg faults and failing tests, | 23:50 |
| th1a | there is someone who can look over your shoulder in real time ;-) | 23:50 |
| th1a | That's the format of this conference. | 23:50 |
| tiredbones | th1a, thanks alot for the last comment. he he | 23:50 |
| th1a | So we'll do that and also basically a demo the first morning. | 23:51 |
| th1a | And then say, "ok, what are the show stoppers?" | 23:51 |
| th1a | What does this need to do to be used in your school? | 23:51 |
| th1a | And *ideally* a few of those things we'll be able to implement while we're there. | 23:52 |
| tiredbones | th1a, Well if my calendar allows for me to attend, Ill be there. | 23:52 |
| srichter | dwelsh: do you have any questions? | 23:52 |
| th1a | One of the main objectives is just to have a chance for our developers to talk to the people who will be using SchoolTool. | 23:53 |
| srichter | dwelsh: I think technically and Zope Corp.-CanDo political there are no problems | 23:53 |
| srichter | from what I heard Zope Corp. is on our side | 23:53 |
| th1a | tiredbones: We aren't planning formal lessons on SchoolTool development, but I'd like to pair developers with people who are interested in learning for the second and third day. | 23:53 |
| th1a | tiredbones: Do you know Dave Trask? | 23:54 |
| tiredbones | From reading the irc today, I would like to make sure of the liccense. Anyone can use Zope 3 and Schooltool. | 23:57 |
| th1a | Yes. | 23:57 |
| tiredbones | th1a, No I don't know Dave Trask. | 23:57 |
| tiredbones | th1a, Who is he? | 23:57 |
| srichter | dwelsh: are you really back? | 23:58 |
| th1a | He's tech coordinator in... hm... it is north of Farmington. | 23:58 |
| th1a | My wife is from Farmington, btw. | 23:58 |
| th1a | Vassalboro. | 23:59 |
| tiredbones | th1a, On this pairing up with a developer, can someone just lurk and list to what is being said? | 23:59 |
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