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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 5736: | 11:43 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Make the student attendance page prettier when there are no terms defined. | 11:43 |
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| erchache | ignas: what do i need to make trunk version into a stable version? | 16:10 |
| erchache | with my old data.fs? | 16:10 |
| erchache | th1a | 16:12 |
| erchache | or i cant? | 16:13 |
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| SteveA | hello | 21:25 |
| th1a | Hi SteveA. | 21:25 |
| th1a | What's up? | 21:26 |
| SteveA | th1a: i've just been talking to doko (mathias klose) who packages python and zope stuff for ubuntu | 21:26 |
| SteveA | there's this dapper release coming up | 21:26 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:26 |
| SteveA | and it's already officially passed the upstream freeze date | 21:26 |
| th1a | Hm... | 21:26 |
| SteveA | and we're talking on #launchpad (not really an appropriate channel) | 21:26 |
| SteveA | about what versions of twisted and zope3 and schooltool and schoolbell should be supported | 21:26 |
| th1a | I see. | 21:26 |
| th1a | This is something we need to straighten out. | 21:27 |
| SteveA | do you have a "get stuff sorted so that it can be in dapper" task in the schooltool plan? | 21:27 |
| SteveA | yeah, and soon | 21:27 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:27 |
| SteveA | do you have time to talk about it now? | 21:27 |
| th1a | Yes. | 21:27 |
| SteveA | great | 21:27 |
| th1a | jinty: Are you awake? | 21:28 |
| SteveA | i'll ask doko to join in | 21:28 |
| jinty | indeed;) | 21:28 |
| th1a | Good thing. | 21:28 |
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| SteveA | hi doko | 21:28 |
| th1a | Hi doko. | 21:28 |
| doko | hi SteveA | 21:28 |
| SteveA | th1a is tom hoffman, schooltool project manager kinda person | 21:29 |
| SteveA | th1a: what is your official title now? | 21:29 |
| doko | ;) | 21:29 |
| th1a | So we want to have a SchoolTool and SchoolBell which work with Zope 3.2? | 21:29 |
| SteveA | well... | 21:29 |
| th1a | "Project manager" | 21:29 |
| doko | there's only an announce, and an checkins mailing list, no discuss list? | 21:29 |
| SteveA | i think the overall goal is that we want to have a good schooltool and schoolbell in dapper | 21:29 |
| SteveA | we need to decide what that means | 21:29 |
| SteveA | and work out how to do that, within the constraints of "not having crackful zope and twisted stuff" in dapper | 21:30 |
| doko | th1a: I currently do not like the idea to have to support two zope3 versions in a distro release (3.1 and 3.2) | 21:30 |
| th1a | doko: There should be a "schooltool" list, but we just moved the lists between servers, so perhaps something broke. | 21:30 |
| th1a | So which Zope 3 are you planning on putting in Dapper? | 21:31 |
| doko | http://lists.schooltool.org/mailman/listinfo just lists these two | 21:31 |
| th1a | doko: OK, I'll investigate. Thanks. | 21:31 |
| SteveA | th1a: the only thing in dapper that requires zope3 is schooltool / schoolbell, as i understand it | 21:31 |
| doko | at the moment, the easiest way is to go with 3.1, SteveA suggested to upgrade to 3.2 for other reasons | 21:32 |
| SteveA | i think 3.2 would be easier to support, as the zope community would be more interested in doing so | 21:32 |
| SteveA | and (except for the twisted parts, which are optional) it is better code | 21:33 |
| th1a | iirc, the code in our stable branches works with 3.1, but we'd actually need to do a little work to get them to work with 3.2. Is that right, jinty? | 21:33 |
| jinty | the tests fail with 3.2 | 21:33 |
| jinty | but in a way that it is difficult to know how much work it will be | 21:34 |
| th1a | It is supposed to be backward compatible, so I assume the changes aren't TOO significant. | 21:34 |
| th1a | But you know what happens when you assume. | 21:34 |
| SteveA | it depends how deep you've gone in plugging into the infrastructure | 21:34 |
| th1a | Our trunk works with 3.2, so whatever changes need to be made were made there already, I would imagine. | 21:35 |
| th1a | So... you guys need to decide which Zope3, and we need to make new packages that work with it? | 21:36 |
| doko | th1a: do you have a release schedule for the next version? | 21:36 |
| th1a | So the current releases just do calendaring, and we've been working on a bunch of school administration features on the trunk. | 21:37 |
| th1a | All that stuff will come out in the summer. | 21:37 |
| th1a | So what will go in dapper is really just bugfixes of the packages that were in breezy. | 21:38 |
| th1a | And updated to work with Zope 3 packages if you've got 'em. | 21:38 |
| th1a | And I've been thinking that we're due for a new bugfix release, since we just fixed a pretty big bug. | 21:39 |
| jinty | doko: the latest trunk is very scary right now. | 21:39 |
| th1a | But I didn't really have a schedule right now. | 21:39 |
| doko | th1a: that bug fix release would include 3.2 support? | 21:39 |
| th1a | jinty: SchoolTool trunk? | 21:39 |
| th1a | doko: We hadn't made a decision about that. | 21:39 |
| doko | the current status in dapper is zope-3.2 and schooltool-0.11.3 | 21:40 |
| th1a | OK. | 21:40 |
| jinty | th1a: yes, I mean major changes to the database structure, and very little testing that they actually work | 21:40 |
| th1a | Yes, but it won't be released for about six months. | 21:41 |
| th1a | jinty: The CanDo guys are going to do some work on the migration, since they've got data they need to migrate. | 21:43 |
| jinty | th1a: nice, maybe I should be around for their meetings sometime;) | 21:44 |
| th1a | So we need to get out a bugfix that works with the Zope 3.2 package for Dapper. | 21:44 |
| jinty | +1 | 21:44 |
| jinty | doko: is there a timeframe? | 21:45 |
| doko | jinty: feature freeze would be nice, which is ... | 21:45 |
| doko | Feb 23 | 21:46 |
| th1a | That sounds doable. | 21:47 |
| doko | great | 21:47 |
| th1a | SteveA: Can we use LaunchPad now to host our releases: including Mac and Windows binaries? | 21:47 |
| SteveA | interesting question | 21:48 |
| SteveA | we don't actually host releases on launchpad | 21:48 |
| th1a | Right. | 21:48 |
| SteveA | we just index them | 21:48 |
| SteveA | my best answer is "you can try" | 21:49 |
| SteveA | and talk on #launchpad if you can't get it to do what you need | 21:49 |
| th1a | OK... but eventually if we're using bazaar on LaunchPad, you'd be able to get a tarball or .deb generated by LaunchPad? Is that the intent? | 21:50 |
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| SteveA | there will be a part of launchpad for things called "personal package archives" | 21:53 |
| SteveA | where you can release .deb files | 21:53 |
| SteveA | but not tarballs | 21:53 |
| SteveA | tarballs will always be outside of launchpad | 21:53 |
| SteveA | same for windows and mac binaries, as far as i know | 21:54 |
| th1a | OK, so this is one sense in which LaunchPad isn't trying to be SourceForge then. | 21:54 |
| th1a | It is collaborative tools, but not hosting releases. | 21:54 |
| SteveA | right | 21:54 |
| th1a | OK. That's good to know. | 21:55 |
| SteveA | right now, we have no plans for hosting releases or running mailing lists | 21:55 |
| th1a | It makes sense. | 21:55 |
| SteveA | food time. see you later | 21:58 |
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