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| erchache | jinty: are you here? | 16:27 |
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| jinty | erchache: yep | 16:27 |
| erchache | when launch next release for schooltool/schoolbell? | 16:28 |
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| erchache | nothing....when? | 16:29 |
| jinty | http://www.schooltool.org/products/schooltool-2006/roadmap | 16:30 |
| erchache | ok | 16:30 |
| jinty | apparently we should have already released milestone tarballs... | 16:30 |
| erchache | ooook | 16:31 |
| erchache | i have a lot of features for request... | 16:31 |
| jinty | but that hasn't happenned, and I havn't pushed it because I have been really busy with real work | 16:31 |
| erchache | but my office are under physical construction and cant get my handnotes | 16:32 |
| erchache | more important is to get pdf on schoolbell | 16:32 |
| erchache | and section management on schooltool | 16:32 |
| jinty | you probably should speak to th1a about those. | 16:32 |
| jinty | I don't event have enough free time to do the release manager bit. | 16:33 |
| erchache | yeah....i said it him later | 16:33 |
| erchache | uhmm....i need to see this roadmap more often... | 16:34 |
| erchache | this morning i was cleaning my moodle site.... | 16:34 |
| erchache | perhaps tomorrow get more time to spend on schooltool/schoolbell | 16:35 |
| erchache | jinty: do you think install a spanish entire site for schooltool/schoolbell must be a good idea or not? | 16:35 |
| jinty | are there enough resources to maintain it in the long term? | 16:36 |
| erchache | i want to make a howtos like tom did on spanish and publish it on spanish linux/open source forums | 16:36 |
| erchache | well....i have machine, bandwith, and perhaps more human help to do it... | 16:36 |
| jinty | yeah, it's always the human factor that limits | 16:37 |
| erchache | jinty: im not a programmer but i think is a good way to pay all our support | 16:37 |
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| erchache | i dont speak with my boss yet to get a "becario" you know? | 16:37 |
| erchache | do you know becario on spanish? | 16:38 |
| jinty | yes;) | 16:38 |
| jinty | an internship/grant in english | 16:38 |
| erchache | yepa! | 16:38 |
| jinty | a becario for you? or open to others? | 16:38 |
| erchache | i need to speak if we have some money of money resources to contract one | 16:38 |
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| erchache | twice... :-P | 16:39 |
| erchache | for me and others....we dont have zople/plone/schooltool programmers | 16:39 |
| erchache | perhaps this must be a good reason to get some one | 16:39 |
| jinty | I would be very interested in applying | 16:39 |
| erchache | are you studying on any university on barcelona? | 16:41 |
| jinty | nope, finished my studies a while ago | 16:41 |
| erchache | ahhh | 16:41 |
| jinty | well, so it goes | 16:41 |
| erchache | well i think most fast way to contribute is to install a plone site copy on spanish | 16:42 |
| erchache | you know? | 16:42 |
| jinty | I have never worked with plone much | 16:42 |
| erchache | easy to install | 16:42 |
| erchache | i can install....make first movements and request for help on spanish forums...guadalinex and so... | 16:43 |
| jinty | Probably a good idea to try it and see the response | 16:43 |
| erchache | yepa | 16:43 |
| erchache | i can make a server service like.....schooltool.us.es | 16:44 |
| erchache | and start.... | 16:44 |
| jinty | maybe you can ask tom for es.schooltool.org or something? | 16:44 |
| erchache | schooltool.us.es are free of charge for me :-P | 16:44 |
| erchache | perhaps es.schooltool.org need money for it...but.....i can ask for money for that... | 16:45 |
| jinty | es.schooltool.org would also be I think... | 16:45 |
| erchache | yeah....es.schooltool.org is better | 16:45 |
| erchache | yepa | 16:45 |
| jinty | and would look more official | 16:45 |
| erchache | dont worry...es.schooltool.org....adjudicado! | 16:45 |
| erchache | well....i must to go, i need to found a webcam for my pb 12" | 16:45 |
| erchache | well need need......i want.. :-P | 16:46 |
| jinty | hasta luego | 16:46 |
| jinty | ! | 16:46 |
| erchache | i write a request feature list and a planning to install a spanish site to mailing list | 16:46 |
| erchache | bye! | 16:47 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: A better config for testing Zope 3 tarballs, and add a collection to build the Zope 3.2 release branch. | 19:03 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Missing imports | 19:33 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Move attendance tests into a subpackage. | 22:10 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: Comitting the sparkline code that Vidas wrote, but was unable to commit due to flaky unreliable GPRS connection. | 22:28 |
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| jelkner | hi mitchell! | 23:00 |
| ffsnoopy | afternoon | 23:00 |
| jelkner | how was your holiday? | 23:01 |
| flint | As a special guest star...we want to welcome the lovable and HUMBLE.....drum roll please....flint!!!!! | 23:01 |
| ffsnoopy | very enjoyable | 23:01 |
| ffsnoopy | yours? | 23:01 |
| jelkner | great | 23:01 |
| jelkner | i'm up here in vermont with the lovable and very humble mr flint | 23:01 |
| ffsnoopy | ah | 23:01 |
| ffsnoopy | so thats why you two dropped in at the same time | 23:01 |
| flint | elkner and I are back to back in the FiTs Montpleier, Vermont "Silence of the Lambs" Basement Lab. | 23:01 |
| ffsnoopy | gotcha | 23:02 |
| jelkner | any news from paul? | 23:02 |
| flint | where the &(*) is Paul Cardner | 23:02 |
| ffsnoopy | nope | 23:02 |
| jelkner | none at all? | 23:02 |
| jelkner | so you haven't been given anything to do yet to get you started with the project? | 23:03 |
| ffsnoopy | he mailed me last week saying he'd give me details for this week on monday (yesterday), but I got nothing | 23:03 |
| ffsnoopy | he said to get familiar w/ the VA module of cando | 23:04 |
| ffsnoopy | so I have | 23:04 |
| jelkner | keep in mind that he was travelling yesterday | 23:04 |
| ffsnoopy | but thats it | 23:04 |
| ffsnoopy | okay | 23:04 |
| jelkner | and he just arrived in senegal | 23:04 |
| ffsnoopy | sounds good | 23:04 |
| jelkner | his connection there can be problematic | 23:04 |
| jelkner | so you never know what to expect | 23:04 |
| ffsnoopy | i dont mind that much! | 23:05 |
| ffsnoopy | i figure theres a logical explanation | 23:05 |
| ffsnoopy | by the way, I found an awesome new editor (far superior to jEdit) | 23:06 |
| ffsnoopy | SciTE | 23:07 |
| ffsnoopy | it can be scripted using a language called "Lua" | 23:07 |
| ffsnoopy | i've been playing with it for a couple days and can get it to do some *really* awesome things | 23:07 |
| jelkner | i've heard of Lua | 23:08 |
| ffsnoopy | and its written in C/C++, so its much faster than anything written in java | 23:08 |
| ffsnoopy | yes, its a nice little language | 23:08 |
| jelkner | srichter: stephan, what is the status of cando 2006? | 23:08 |
| jelkner | srichter: are you here? | 23:10 |
| jelkner | jinty: are you here? | 23:11 |
| jelkner | anyone here besides us chickens? | 23:11 |
| jinty | yeah, just saw that there was a meeting on | 23:11 |
| jinty | actually was busy having a look at the zope3.2/schooltool packaging | 23:12 |
| jelkner | i was hoping for an update from paul about cando 2006 | 23:12 |
| jelkner | and? | 23:12 |
| jinty | Hmm, not too many blockers I think | 23:13 |
| jelkner | so you'll have it packaged soon? | 23:13 |
| jinty | I have a prototype already, but it is way to soon | 23:14 |
| jelkner | what is the eta? | 23:14 |
| jinty | first we need to wait for the Zope3.2 release | 23:14 |
| jelkner | when will that happen? | 23:14 |
| jinty | I think it was already meant to happen | 23:14 |
| jinty | at least they have released a beta 2 already | 23:14 |
| jinty | but predictions are bound to fail | 23:15 |
| jelkner | ffsnoopy: mitchell, we are on the phone with dave welsh | 23:15 |
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| ffsnoopy | okay | 23:16 |
| jinty | but even then, we will need a schooltool 2006 release before thinking about cando 2006 | 23:16 |
| jelkner | he is pulling into the career center so he can join us long enough to discuss with you what you could do | 23:16 |
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| ffsnoopy | sounds good | 23:16 |
| jelkner | jinty: true, but they are being developed together now | 23:17 |
| srichter | jelkner: hi | 23:17 |
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| jelkner | hi stephan! | 23:17 |
| srichter | jelkner: why would I know what the status of CanDo 2006 is? :-) | 23:17 |
| jinty | jelkner: yep, that makes life easier... | 23:17 |
| jelkner | i thought you and paul worked that all out together | 23:18 |
| jelkner | srichter: have you been introduced to mitchell foral (ffsnoopy) yet? | 23:18 |
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| dwelsh | hey | 23:18 |
| jelkner | hi dave | 23:18 |
| jelkner | ok, jinty is here, srichter is here | 23:19 |
| dwelsh | michael, are you ffsnoopy? | 23:19 |
| jelkner | mitchell | 23:19 |
| dwelsh | gothca | 23:19 |
| jelkner | yes, that's him | 23:19 |
| ffsnoopy | im here | 23:19 |
| dwelsh | I'm scared to ask what the ff means | 23:19 |
| ffsnoopy | heh | 23:19 |
| ffsnoopy | its a video game thing | 23:19 |
| dwelsh | happy holidays jinty and srichter | 23:19 |
| srichter | thanks; I hope you have a good time too | 23:20 |
| jinty | dwelsh, back at you;) | 23:20 |
| dwelsh | I do have a little good news to start | 23:20 |
| jelkner | tell us | 23:20 |
| dwelsh | sister-in-law works for Freedom From Hunger | 23:20 |
| dwelsh | excellent micro-lending non-profit | 23:20 |
| dwelsh | focusing on 3rd world development | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | they just got $6M from the Gates Foundation | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | to work on a broader level with micro-lending | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | anyway, they're the bomb | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | so the focus of micro-lending is EDUCATION with credit | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | and as you might guess, their education is skill-based | 23:21 |
| dwelsh | i.e. how to make sterile breast milk | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | how to avoid malaria | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | how to avoid HIV | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | hard-core stuff like that | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | showed sister-in-law, her name is Ellen, | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | the CanDo stuff over the break | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | because the family was here with us. | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | suffice to say that she was blown-away | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | that whole pedagogy of theory, skill and then application | 23:22 |
| dwelsh | plus the revelation of open-source tools | 23:23 |
| dwelsh | we've agreed to do a live video conf. with Freedom From Hunger | 23:23 |
| dwelsh | in January, to show the whole org. CanDo, online curriculum | 23:23 |
| dwelsh | open source tools, etc. | 23:23 |
| dwelsh | very exciting; one of the great things to come out of the holiday. | 23:23 |
| ffsnoopy | wow, impressive | 23:24 |
| jelkner | super! | 23:24 |
| jelkner | it would be great to work directly with them as customers in developing cando to meet their needs | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | I sometimes forget how powerful this stuff is | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | until I show the uninitiated. | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | So if we need a little motivation to keep up the great work, | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | there it is. | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | On last little report item, | 23:24 |
| dwelsh | Nortel Networks, our major partner at the Career Center | 23:25 |
| jelkner | that's exactly the kind of thing i was hoping would happen | 23:25 |
| dwelsh | is officially a part of the $100 computer consortium out of MIT | 23:25 |
| jelkner | yes | 23:25 |
| dwelsh | they have a Skype competing product called MCC (Multimedia Content Server) | 23:25 |
| dwelsh | that they are now looking at writing as an open-source client | 23:25 |
| dwelsh | so I see some great possibilities in these partnerships | 23:25 |
| dwelsh | As you guys (Flint and Elkner) may remember, | 23:26 |
| flint | why not just port what you have to their platform? | 23:26 |
| dwelsh | I was at NECC with Nortel last June in Philadelphia | 23:26 |
| dwelsh | flint: come again | 23:26 |
| dwelsh | anyway, I don't want to take us off track, | 23:27 |
| dwelsh | but I see some great applications of CanDo in 2006 | 23:27 |
| flint | elkner indicates that whatever their platform is you can make it work...\ | 23:27 |
| dwelsh | enough said. | 23:27 |
| jelkner | ok, i would like to give mitchell some direction if we can | 23:27 |
| jelkner | i was hoping paul would be here | 23:27 |
| jelkner | but if anyone else can step in that would be great | 23:27 |
| jelkner | we want to give mitchell a small project that will get him inside schooltool/cando | 23:28 |
| jelkner | paul had some ideas | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | my main near-term modular need is import and export functions | 23:28 |
| jelkner | i believe he discussed this with you stephan, yes? | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | import students and competencies | 23:28 |
| dwelsh | export evaluations from one section into another | 23:29 |
| jelkner | ahh | 23:29 |
| jelkner | i think that would work | 23:29 |
| jelkner | paul said something about waiting on importing until they had a better handle on the xml stuff | 23:29 |
| jelkner | but moving evaluations can be just python | 23:30 |
| jelkner | srichter: do you have any thoughts on this? | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | the user story is this: if a student moves into a new section | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | that is using competencies for which they have already been evaluated | 23:30 |
| dwelsh | then those evaluations should come them into the new sectino. | 23:31 |
| dwelsh | .... come with them into the new section. | 23:31 |
| srichter | we discussed it only briefly | 23:31 |
| srichter | beasically which approach to take | 23:31 |
| srichter | you basically have two options: proprietary format or open format | 23:31 |
| srichter | I think Paul said the former is done | 23:32 |
| srichter | Tom had some ideas about the formats that could be used | 23:32 |
| srichter | but I think any XML format would be a decent start I guess | 23:33 |
| jelkner | would it be correct to say this is still in flux enough that it is not the place for mitchell to start? | 23:33 |
| jelkner | paul told me he had other ideas | 23:34 |
| jelkner | but i don't know what they are | 23:34 |
| jelkner | the problem is one of lost opportunity | 23:34 |
| jelkner | i don't want to wait too long to get mitchell into this | 23:34 |
| jelkner | i you think we need to wait for paul, so be it | 23:35 |
| jelkner | but i was just wondering if you had any ideas? | 23:35 |
| dwelsh | Paul is probably having bandwidth problems | 23:35 |
| jelkner | indeed | 23:35 |
| dwelsh | but I'm sure he'll get to e-mail shortly | 23:35 |
| dwelsh | so we can put an e-mail request into him for his list | 23:35 |
| jelkner | i'll write him at the end of this and wait for his reply | 23:36 |
| dwelsh | what needs to happen with the new architecture (discussed in Boston) | 23:36 |
| dwelsh | so that it can be at a point where someone like Mitchell can contribute? | 23:36 |
| dwelsh | In other words, how much work will it take to get the framework set? | 23:37 |
| jelkner | srichter, jinty, if neither of you can think of what mitchell can do to start his long journey up the steep learning curve, we can call this meeting to an end | 23:37 |
| flint | As of the first of the year, my lab facilities here in Montpelier are usable, and I intend to use these facilities to examine schooltool and cando extensively. I may need support from the hordes of developers involved, can I count on all of you for support? | 23:37 |
| srichter | jelkner: really Paul has to make those calls | 23:38 |
| jelkner | ok | 23:38 |
| srichter | I know far too little about the plans and workings of CanDo to make any call or suggestion | 23:38 |
| jelkner | srichter: he will need to learn schooltool too, yes? | 23:39 |
| jinty | jelkner: I can't think of anything he can do within the packaging sphere. | 23:39 |
| srichter | jelkner: yes | 23:40 |
| srichter | sometimes one way to learn a framework is by implementing small thinghs or fix bugs | 23:41 |
| jelkner | that's what i'm looking for | 23:41 |
| jelkner | can you think of anything that would fit the bill? | 23:41 |
| dwelsh | one other little user story we have | 23:42 |
| dwelsh | is to allow students to post a url as evidence | 23:42 |
| dwelsh | now students can only post journal entries | 23:43 |
| dwelsh | again, might be a small but important problem that could get Mitchell | 23:43 |
| dwelsh | into the SchoolTool/CanDo code. | 23:44 |
| jelkner | that is important to me now | 23:44 |
| flint | Stephan, if it is anything to you I just purchased your book... | 23:45 |
| dwelsh | srichter: flint just realized you're a zope3 demi-God | 23:45 |
| jelkner | mitchell, how does that sound to you? | 23:45 |
| ffsnoopy | sounds like a winner | 23:45 |
| dwelsh | we're soothing his ego as we speak | 23:45 |
| flint | dwelsh, actually, a demi-wit :^) | 23:45 |
| ffsnoopy | ill have to see if I have access to the repos | 23:45 |
| jelkner | do you understand the story? | 23:45 |
| ffsnoopy | um, students need to post links | 23:46 |
| dwelsh | I need to get to family, but not before wishing all of you a Happy New Year! | 23:47 |
| dwelsh | Thanks for the great work on CanDo2 | 23:47 |
| jelkner | yes, they can link to their journals now, but i want my students to link to their zope sites (a url would do it) | 23:47 |
| flint | Happy New Year to you Dave! | 23:47 |
| dwelsh | I have high hopes indeed for SchoolTool/CanDo3 | 23:47 |
| jelkner | happy new year dwelsh! | 23:47 |
| jelkner | ffsnoopy: send me an email over the next few days with an update | 23:48 |
| ffsnoopy | okay | 23:48 |
| jelkner | i want to know if you have any trouble getting what you need | 23:48 |
| dwelsh | let's all e-mail carduner to get the list | 23:48 |
| jelkner | i'll email pcardune today | 23:48 |
| dwelsh | talk to everyone next Tuesday, 4pm | 23:48 |
| jelkner | ok, next week then | 23:49 |
| dwelsh | our first official day back in school :) | 23:49 |
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| jelkner | so, mitchell, are we set? | 23:49 |
| ffsnoopy | sounds like it | 23:49 |
| ffsnoopy | i think i should be fine | 23:49 |
| jelkner | great! i'll be waiting for your email | 23:50 |
| ffsnoopy | okay then | 23:50 |
| jelkner | talk to you soon... | 23:50 |
| jelkner | thanks srichter and jinty! | 23:50 |
| jelkner | happy new year! | 23:50 |
| flint | Glad to make you acquaintance Mitchel... | 23:50 |
| ffsnoopy | you too | 23:51 |
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