| ignas | investigating ... | 00:04 |
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| ignas | 391 - only shows up in the trunk iirc | 00:05 |
| ignas | but if you'd try reproducing it on the release branch it would be more reassuring | 00:05 |
| ignas | though iirc it was introduced during srichters refactoring | 00:06 |
| jinty | yeah, just discovered no ShowTimetables adapter in the release branch | 00:06 |
| ignas | 424 - well we missed it | 00:07 |
| jinty | ah, good thing it was marked needs-merge then;) | 00:07 |
| jinty | should I, or will you? | 00:07 |
| ignas | i don't have release branch handy at the moment | 00:08 |
| jinty | i'll give it a try and complain loudly if I can't;) | 00:08 |
| ignas | i'll check out the release branch then | 00:09 |
| ignas | porting between the new trun and the release is a major pain | 00:09 |
| jinty | yeah, this one conflicts... | 00:10 |
| ignas | naturally | 00:11 |
| ignas | svn merge -r 5199:5200 svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/browser/ src/schooltool/browser/ didn't show me any conflicts :/ | 00:13 |
| ignas | testing it | 00:14 |
| ignas | ran out of disk space while checking it out | 00:16 |
| ignas | s/it/Zope3 | 00:17 |
| jinty | yeah, i had tried back-porting it to schoolbell first... | 00:17 |
| ignas | is this one relevant to ST ? | 00:17 |
| ignas | s/ST/SB | 00:17 |
| jinty | Actually I have no idea, this part of the code is just random letters to me;) | 00:18 |
| jinty | ignas: seems like the tests pass when I use the right backport command | 00:27 |
| jinty | Thanks! | 00:27 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5300: | 00:30 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Back-port of 5200 to fix http://issues.schooltool.org/issue424 on the release branch. Thnks ignas! | 00:30 |
| th1a | bskahan: A bit off-topic, but I don't understand how to give permissions to all members on the SchoolTool site. | 00:32 |
| th1a | We need to make sure that everyone with an account can contribute to the documentation and roadmap sections. | 00:32 |
| jinty | heh, th1a, just in time;) | 00:35 |
| ignas | jinty, when is the release ? | 00:37 |
| jinty | btw, I am blocked on the new live cd by dapper not being open yet, neither do I have the two weeks I need to download and upload one from my machine | 00:37 |
| ignas | becasue bskahan is still fixing one of the TZ issues ? | 00:37 |
| jinty | I was just quilckly going to ritually ask th1a to get the latest translations, then cut it | 00:38 |
| ignas | i see | 00:38 |
| th1a | jinty: OK. | 00:38 |
| jinty | AFAIK bskahan is finished | 00:38 |
| bskahan | jinty: I'm done with the bugs that will make it into the release | 00:39 |
| th1a | Well, I'm headed to the orchestra. | 00:39 |
| ignas | jinty, AFAYK yep, AFAIK - no :) | 00:39 |
| ignas | oh :) | 00:39 |
| bskahan | ignas pointed out a distinction in the recurrence bug | 00:39 |
| th1a | It seems to me that there is no particular rush, and perhaps taking one last look at the state of the timezones on Monday is not a bad idea. | 00:39 |
| bskahan | I'm still wworking on it | 00:39 |
| bskahan | but I wouldn't hold up the release on it | 00:41 |
| jinty | so we dump co-ordination with packagers and wait till monday? | 00:41 |
| jinty | er actually no, I'm travelling next week | 00:42 |
| jinty | so has to be today... | 00:42 |
| bskahan | the remaining bug appears to only affect certain recurrence rules | 00:42 |
| bskahan | it needs to be fixed, but its less Brown Bag than the bugs that got fixed | 00:43 |
| ignas | no one of us lives in melbourne anyway :D | 00:43 |
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| bskahan | ignas: exatly ;) | 00:43 |
| jinty | hah! | 00:43 |
| bskahan | th1a: I thought we established that anyone logged in could acess those sections allready? | 00:45 |
| th1a | bskahan: I thought we had, too, but then it didn't seem to work. | 00:46 |
| th1a | And I couldn't figure out how to give permissions to everyone with the member role. | 00:46 |
| th1a | Do you have to do that in the ZMI? | 00:47 |
| th1a | You can't do it in the sharing tab. | 00:47 |
| th1a | You can assign people a local role, | 00:47 |
| th1a | or give permissions to groups or persons. | 00:47 |
| bskahan | you do it in the ZMI | 00:49 |
| bskahan | do you have a standard user account to try? | 00:50 |
| bskahan | you want everyone to access documentation and roadmap, correct? | 00:50 |
| bskahan | oh, I know | 00:53 |
| bskahan | we only made FAQ's publicly addable | 00:54 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5301: | 00:57 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Updating schooltool RELEASE.txt, all hail explicit log messages:) | 00:57 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5302: | 01:16 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Add unquote_uri to schoolbell release branch and remove the dependency on schooltool. | 01:16 |
| ignas | oh | 01:17 |
| ignas | forgot about that | 01:17 |
| jinty | np, but I'm going to revert your patch to schooltool and use the schoolbell one. | 01:18 |
| jinty | actually I'm not, it would be nice for people still to be able to use schooltool 0.11.3 with schoolbell 1.2.2. | 01:26 |
| bskahan | what are the changes in schooltool itself? | 01:36 |
| bskahan | the performance and timezone changes are in schoolbell | 01:36 |
| jinty | I'm just trying to be kind by not gratuitously breaking compatibility, though I think it is already broken | 01:38 |
| jinty | re changes in schooltool, not too much | 01:38 |
| * bskahan nods | 01:39 | |
| * bskahan is watching magda use an online gradebook | 01:39 | |
| bskahan | good learning experience | 01:41 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5303: | 01:41 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Update the schoolbell RELEASE.txt. | 01:41 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5304: | 01:42 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Final tweak to schooltool RELEASE.txt | 01:42 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5305: | 01:43 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Tagging SchoolBell 1.2.3 | 01:43 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5306: | 01:43 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Tagging SchoolTool 0.11.3 | 01:43 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5307: | 01:44 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Set SchoolBell version number in release | 01:44 |
| * jinty loves watching whild gintas' script does the work | 01:45 | |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5308: | 01:45 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Set SchoolTool version number in release | 01:45 |
| jinty | s/whild/while/ | 01:45 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 5309: | 01:46 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Bound SchoolTool 0.11.3 to SchoolBell 1.2.3 | 01:46 |
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| jelkner | srichter: do you have a moment? | 15:22 |
| srichter | yes | 15:24 |
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| jelkner | srichter: did pcardune ever talk to you about the permissions issues he is having in CanDo? | 15:33 |
| srichter | no | 15:33 |
| jelkner | and you would be the person to talk to, yes? | 15:34 |
| srichter | mhh, maybe | 15:35 |
| jelkner | we have a whole school of teachers now using CanDo, so they are really putting it (and thus SchoolTool) through its paces. | 15:35 |
| srichter | my knowledge about security is limited | 15:35 |
| srichter | I have certainly not implemented anything security related in SchoolTool | 15:36 |
| srichter | or in Zope 3 for that matter | 15:36 |
| jelkner | we are uncovering things that get pretty deeply into the plumbing of schooltool | 15:36 |
| jelkner | so who has? | 15:36 |
| srichter | but I know enough to know how it works | 15:36 |
| jelkner | ok, well that is a good start | 15:36 |
| jelkner | paul doesn't understand how it works, and that is making it difficult for him to address some of our recent problems | 15:37 |
| jelkner | i'm looking for a place i can send paul to get him some more schooltool schooling... | 15:39 |
| jelkner | srichter: what would you recommend? | 15:39 |
| jelkner | jinty: good morning! | 15:40 |
| srichter | jelkner: well, we could do a one-on-one session here in Boston | 15:40 |
| srichter | or I could come to you guys | 15:40 |
| jinty | jelkner: morn | 15:40 |
| jelkner | srichter: paul is at college in washington state, the rest of us are in washington, dc | 15:41 |
| srichter | I see | 15:42 |
| jelkner | we've been doing everything remotely | 15:42 |
| srichter | are there more developers for CanDo? | 15:42 |
| jelkner | no | 15:42 |
| srichter | ok | 15:42 |
| jelkner | paul is the only active developer | 15:43 |
| jelkner | that is a problem, of course | 15:43 |
| jelkner | since he is a full time college student with limited time to work on it | 15:43 |
| jelkner | srichter: i used to be registered, but that has expired | 15:44 |
| jelkner | and i don't know how to renew it | 15:45 |
| jelkner | did you see my reply? | 15:45 |
| srichter | no | 15:46 |
| jinty | jelkner: should we start? | 15:56 |
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| jelkner | jinty: are you ready? | 15:58 |
| jinty | indeed | 15:58 |
| jelkner | i'm actually not | 15:59 |
| jelkner | and let me tell you why | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i am in nj | 15:59 |
| jelkner | and i live in dc | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i was reading over my homework and it soon became clear i will need my gpg stuff | 15:59 |
| jelkner | which i don't have | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i created it in australia at the ubuntu down under | 16:00 |
| jelkner | and i have a key, signed by several folks | 16:00 |
| jelkner | but i didn't bring it | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i haven' | 16:00 |
| jinty | actually, you don't have to sign packages if you are not going to distribute them | 16:00 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:00 |
| jelkner | question then: | 16:00 |
| jinty | sure | 16:00 |
| jelkner | how much total time will i need to have to learn to make a simple package? | 16:01 |
| jelkner | on the docs it suggests that it will be quite a bit of time | 16:01 |
| jelkner | i'm nervous about that | 16:01 |
| jinty | I think the answer is quite a bit, though depends on what type of package | 16:01 |
| jinty | I think python modules are about the simplest | 16:02 |
| jelkner | i really don't have quite a bit | 16:02 |
| jelkner | ok, let's say we limit ourselves to python modules | 16:02 |
| jelkner | and all i want to do is learn to maintain a few python packages | 16:02 |
| jelkner | cando and maybe gvr, let's say | 16:03 |
| jelkner | is that doable in a much shorter period of time? | 16:03 |
| jinty | cando contains a daemon, that makes it quite a bit more complex | 16:03 |
| jinty | gvr, i'll have to look at it | 16:04 |
| jelkner | but before you do, we need to figure this out | 16:04 |
| jinty | I am trying to estimate how long, but it's difficult | 16:04 |
| jelkner | because if I can't really package cando, then it is questionable whether i should be doing this right now | 16:05 |
| jinty | a lot of things that are natural for me now you would have learn | 16:05 |
| jelkner | yes, i know | 16:05 |
| jelkner | reading the docs made that clear | 16:05 |
| jelkner | even the intro contained a list of things that i would need to spend time learning about | 16:06 |
| jinty | cando should become simpler to maintain when it becomes a schooltool plugin | 16:06 |
| jinty | at that point it will only be a little bit more complex than a python module | 16:06 |
| jelkner | and that will happen this spring | 16:06 |
| jinty | after schooltool trunk is released | 16:07 |
| jelkner | yup | 16:07 |
| jinty | but I think the transition will be quite complex | 16:07 |
| jelkner | what do you say we wait until then? | 16:07 |
| jinty | sure, | 16:07 |
| jinty | but I also wanted to ask you about getting to that point | 16:08 |
| jelkner | ok, shoot | 16:08 |
| jinty | I want to throw myself at the cando reposiory | 16:08 |
| jinty | and move it to use zpkgtools | 16:09 |
| jelkner | great! | 16:09 |
| jinty | fix the translation thing | 16:09 |
| jelkner | what translation thing? | 16:09 |
| jinty | extracting translation templates | 16:09 |
| jelkner | is that part of internationalization? | 16:09 |
| jinty | yeah. want more explanation? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | no, i got it | 16:10 |
| jelkner | just let me know how much time you need | 16:10 |
| jelkner | so i can let aziz know what is coming | 16:10 |
| jinty | ok, let me do an itemized estimate and send it to you two buy mail | 16:11 |
| jelkner | great! | 16:11 |
| jelkner | thanks, jinty! | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i'm a bit nervous about cando right now | 16:11 |
| jelkner | feature wise, it is awesome | 16:12 |
| jelkner | dave loves it | 16:12 |
| jinty | in my point of view it is better to get these major changes out of the way early in the release cycle so that the bugs can get workrd out | 16:12 |
| jelkner | yes | 16:12 |
| jelkner | i agree | 16:12 |
| jinty | also nightly trunk tarball builds;) | 16:12 |
| jelkner | that will build debs from the nightly tarballs? | 16:13 |
| jinty | no, just build and test the tarball every night. | 16:13 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:13 |
| jinty | I don't have the infrastructure yet to build packages automatically | 16:14 |
| jelkner | when might that come? | 16:14 |
| jelkner | for cando 2006? | 16:14 |
| jinty | I still have to sit down and figure out how to build schooltool tarballs with the new trunk | 16:14 |
| jelkner | do you need anything else from me now? | 16:15 |
| jinty | And i'm not even sure how | 16:15 |
| jelkner | i want to make a few phone calls | 16:15 |
| jelkner | so if we are finished i'll sign off | 16:15 |
| jinty | Probably we should get paul's buy in for this. It's going to be rough for a while;) | 16:16 |
| jinty | I think thats all, | 16:16 |
| jelkner | yes, talking to paul is one of the things i will do today | 16:16 |
| jelkner | ok, then, talk to you later in the week | 16:17 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 16:17 |
| jinty | sure cheers;) | 16:17 |
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| jinty | hoi pcardune! | 19:30 |
| pcardune | jinty, hello | 19:32 |
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| jinty | just wanted to run some cando devel ideas by you | 19:33 |
| pcardune | who's the person to ask about functional tests using the testbrowser library? How do you log in a schooltool user? the log in button doesn't show up | 19:33 |
| pcardune | jinty, same here! | 19:33 |
| jinty | these were them ^^^? | 19:34 |
| pcardune | no | 19:34 |
| pcardune | that was more specific | 19:34 |
| th1a | srichter is the testbrowser guru. | 19:35 |
| pcardune | more about things regarding deletion of objects and some traversal type stuff | 19:35 |
| pcardune | for example, when an object is deleted, we don't really want to delete it. we just want to hide it so that it is recoverable later | 19:36 |
| * jinty hasn't had enough free time to get into the nuts and bolts of the schooltool code, so generally restricts himself to build system and packaging stuff | 19:37 | |
| pcardune | well anyways, what were the cando devel ideas you were going to suggest? | 19:38 |
| jinty | to make the candotoo module a top level package | 19:38 |
| jinty | zpkgify the cando repository | 19:39 |
| pcardune | you took the words out of my mouth | 19:39 |
| jinty | start building cando tarballs | 19:39 |
| jinty | get i18n up and running | 19:39 |
| pcardune | yes, that is absolutely in the plans... just as soon as i learn about zpkg and stop doing bug fixes | 19:39 |
| pcardune | I need to set up i18n and also set up cando's own security roles and permissions | 19:40 |
| jinty | I'm meaning setting up the template extraction | 19:40 |
| pcardune | oh | 19:41 |
| pcardune | I know next to nothing about i18n, and zpkg so all help is welcome | 19:41 |
| jinty | Ok, I'll give the zpkg and i18n thing a go on a branch in the coming weeks | 19:42 |
| pcardune | that would be great | 19:43 |
| pcardune | schooltool 2006 is also using zpkg right? | 19:43 |
| jinty | yep | 19:43 |
| jinty | the idea is that you can then build a cando tarball containing all the dependent packages from zope and schooltool automatically | 19:44 |
| pcardune | and it will be seperate from Zope correct? as in, you can have your own zope instance and just create a schooltool application object | 19:44 |
| pcardune | would that also allow us in integrate other Zope3 objects like fckeditor? | 19:45 |
| jinty | I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about the application object | 19:46 |
| jinty | and if you are integrating with other Zope3 objects, please restrict yourself to what is released in the Zope3 tarball | 19:46 |
| jinty | otherwise dependencies for the ubuntu packages can become a real nightmare | 19:47 |
| pcardune | well for example, lets say I had a zope instance already installed on my computer with various web applications running on it, I want to be able to add schooltool to that instance without having to run a whole seperate zope server | 19:47 |
| jinty | I thought I heard that the schooltool developers were considering dumping this use case | 19:48 |
| pcardune | really? | 19:48 |
| jinty | yep, that was the chatter on IRC, but you'd better speak to mgedmin | 19:49 |
| pcardune | hmm | 19:49 |
| * jinty goes to search irc logs | 19:50 | |
| pcardune | srichter, ayt? | 19:52 |
| jinty | http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/%23schooltool.2005-08-08.log.html around 18:56 | 19:53 |
| jinty | pcardune: btw what do you want the name of the top level CanDo python package to be schooltool.candotoo -> cando/candotoo | 19:54 |
| pcardune | preferably there would be no candotoo | 19:55 |
| pcardune | just cando's | 19:56 |
| jinty | ok | 19:56 |
| pcardune | (which would require changing an awful lot of imports) | 19:56 |
| jinty | hmm, I wonder if it actually has to be done | 19:57 |
| pcardune | well, the code should reflect the name of the package... so there is more to change than just imports | 19:58 |
| jinty | how do you want the repository to look like? | 19:58 |
| jinty | or think it should? | 19:59 |
| pcardune | i guess, cando/cando? | 19:59 |
| pcardune | or rather cando/src? | 19:59 |
| pcardune | well, im confused | 20:00 |
| pcardune | this is where all the cando source files would live? | 20:00 |
| jinty | Yeah, cando would ideally just consist of one module and a schooltool-include file | 20:01 |
| pcardune | so then either cando/cando or cando/src/cando | 20:02 |
| jinty | yes, but I don't want to reproduce the entire schooltool top level directory for just one module | 20:03 |
| jinty | that's a lot of duplicated code that needs to be maintained | 20:03 |
| * jinty realises he is rambling, but continues anyway | 20:04 | |
| pcardune | well, whatever you think makes sense as long as it doesn't have any candotoo's in it | 20:05 |
| jinty | sure, i'll try to get rid of the candotoos... | 20:06 |
| jinty | have you got any other requirements? | 20:06 |
| pcardune | nope | 20:06 |
| pcardune | so, are you changing the trunk? | 20:07 |
| jinty | no, I will work on a branch until I am happy | 20:07 |
| pcardune | ok, great | 20:08 |
| jinty | also I guess I need to get your sayso before porting the stuff to tunk | 20:08 |
| jinty | s/sunk/trunk/ | 20:09 |
| jinty | I don't want to rip your repository out from under your feet by surprise | 20:09 |
| pcardune | right | 20:09 |
| pcardune | will this mess up merging from the trunk to a branch? (for bug fixes) | 20:10 |
| jinty | I hope not too much, but could happen | 20:11 |
| jinty | hopefully the rate of bugfixes will slow down... | 20:12 |
| pcardune | yeah | 20:12 |
| pcardune | it should | 20:12 |
| jinty | also I shouldn't be ready for a few weeks | 20:13 |
| pcardune | ok, then there definitly shouldn | 20:13 |
| pcardune | 't | 20:13 |
| pcardune | be very few bug fixes at that point | 20:14 |
| jinty | this is also the right time to make such a big transition, there's still a lot of time to work out any kinks before the next major release | 20:16 |
| pcardune | yeah | 20:16 |
| pcardune | srichter, ayt? | 20:19 |
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| srichter | pcardune: yes | 20:35 |
| pcardune | I was just on the phone with jelkner | 20:38 |
| pcardune | and he wanted us to talk about logistics | 20:38 |
| pcardune | srichter, do you have some time to talk about that? | 20:38 |
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| Mattias | is this like fronter.com ? | 22:40 |
| th1a | Fronter.com? | 22:40 |
| Mattias | ye. we currently use that interface in my school | 22:40 |
| Mattias | its a Virtual Learning Enviornment | 22:42 |
| srichter | no, SchoolTool will be a SIS | 22:42 |
| th1a | Student information system. | 22:42 |
| Mattias | oh | 22:42 |
| Mattias | what will it be abel to do? | 22:42 |
| srichter | I assume fronter.com is like Blackboard? | 22:42 |
| Mattias | dunno | 22:42 |
| Mattias | it got calendars, u can upload lessons, and so on | 22:43 |
| th1a | Enrollment, attendance, gradebook, demographic & conact info. | 22:43 |
| th1a | Right now SchoolTool does calendaring. | 22:43 |
| Mattias | ah. fronter does ; | 22:44 |
| Mattias | Files may be exchanged, discussions held, individually tailored news may be provided, e-mails may be sent, and individual and common calendars may be established. | 22:44 |
| Mattias | The learning activities of students may be stored in a digital portfolio giving support to life-long learning. | 22:44 |
| th1a | Right. | 22:44 |
| th1a | We hope that people will create VLE's that integrate SchoolTool. | 22:45 |
| Mattias | this is a teacher tool right? | 22:47 |
| srichter | well, I think it is a more a school administration tool | 22:49 |
| srichter | so, the main user base will be school administrators and teachers | 22:49 |
| Mattias | might be good :) i don't know of such an application yet | 22:50 |
| th1a | There are lots of commercial versions, and zillions of home-made ones. | 22:50 |
| th1a | Just no prominent open source SIS. | 22:50 |
| Mattias | i think our school got homemade one | 22:51 |
| Mattias | but it doesnt look so good | 22:51 |
| Mattias | well, im just a student so it doesnt matter to me :) | 22:52 |
| Mattias | but i'll recommend it | 22:52 |
| srichter | thanks! | 22:54 |
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