| bskahan | srichter: where do you find the problem? | 00:08 |
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| srichter | for some reason it uses this complex macro cosntruct | 00:08 |
| srichter | viewlets (i.e. pagelets. portlets) should simply be views | 00:09 |
| srichter | except that they are also registered for a slot | 00:09 |
| bskahan | each with their own context? | 00:09 |
| srichter | yep | 00:09 |
| srichter | the context will be the same as for the view | 00:09 |
| srichter | they should also have the view as context | 00:10 |
| srichter | so basically and adapter from (context, request, view, slot) -> IPagelet | 00:10 |
| srichter | so basically and adapter from (context, request, view, slot) -> IViewlet | 00:11 |
| srichter | all this macro stuff makes it *much* harder to understand | 00:11 |
| srichter | and this way we can get rid of the pagedata concept | 00:11 |
| srichter | bskahan: thoughts? | 00:13 |
| bskahan | looking at it now | 00:15 |
| bskahan | do we really need slots and viewlets? | 00:17 |
| bskahan | or is viewlet just one of pagelet or portlet? | 00:18 |
| srichter | I am on the phone with Roger | 00:21 |
| bskahan | in the current code each pagelet a single macro, correct? | 00:21 |
| th1a | bskahan: I've been playing with the new site. | 00:38 |
| th1a | I replaced "Downloads" with "Products," and set up some categories: Calendaring, SchoolTool SIS, LiveCD's, Infrastructure Tools, Academic Tools. | 00:41 |
| srichter | okaaayy, got the scoop | 00:42 |
| srichter | we can implement the pagelets using views, which is cool | 00:43 |
| srichter | so pagelets will work as described above | 00:44 |
| srichter | slots will become instances of a class called slots, which will make the adapter lookup cleaner | 00:45 |
| srichter | pagedata will go away, since we can do everything in the view class | 00:45 |
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| bskahan | th1a: cool, I just put the stuff in there as examples | 01:08 |
| bskahan | srichter: so we can use the current pagelets module without major changes? | 01:09 |
| srichter | well, my changes won't be minor, but they are not major either :-) | 01:09 |
| srichter | but we can pretty much reuse it yes | 01:09 |
| bskahan | heh | 01:10 |
| bskahan | ok | 01:10 |
| srichter | the nice thing is that Roger is opkay with the changes and will change his Tiks code to use it | 01:10 |
| bskahan | what is Tiks? | 01:10 |
| srichter | The first CMS for Zope 3 | 01:10 |
| srichter | that projekt01 developed over the last 2-3 years | 01:10 |
| srichter | it has a lot of nice features that I wish some people would look at and evaluate | 01:11 |
| srichter | most of them are irrelevant to us, since they are geared towards CMSs, but still | 01:11 |
| * bskahan nods | 01:12 | |
| bskahan | I remember it now that I see the site | 01:12 |
| bskahan | it would be really cool if we could use pieces from that easily | 01:12 |
| srichter | yep | 01:12 |
| bskahan | schooltool the project may not do CMS stuff, but there's alot of interest in 'CMSy' features for addons | 01:13 |
| srichter | right | 01:14 |
| srichter | at least it is Zope 3,s o it should not be too hard to reuse | 01:15 |
| srichter | as I said, I never looked at all components | 01:15 |
| * bskahan nods | 01:15 | |
| srichter | bskahan: are you okay with the tasks I boldly assigned to you? | 01:19 |
| srichter | (especially the time estimates) | 01:19 |
| bskahan | the CSS classes is probably pushing the timeline | 01:30 |
| bskahan | I'll be back in a few minutes | 01:30 |
| bskahan | re | 01:53 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * ignas committed revision 4979: | 14:19 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Removed dead code from CalendarViewBase.getEvents. (The variable was used before this function has been refactored) | 14:19 |
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| SteveA | jinty: hi. do you know adam conrad? | 14:45 |
| jinty | no | 14:50 |
| jinty | also hi;) | 14:50 |
| SteveA | so, adam is (i think) a debian developer. | 14:51 |
| SteveA | he also works for canonical, on buildd infrastructure | 14:51 |
| SteveA | he has an ubuntu ppc machine at home that he said you can get an account on for buliding a schooltool livecd | 14:51 |
| jinty | he is willing to give me root acess? | 14:52 |
| SteveA | think so | 14:52 |
| jinty | cool | 14:52 |
| SteveA | i'll see if he's around now. he's based in .au i think, so maybe not. | 14:52 |
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| mario1 | hi | 15:28 |
| mario1 | how "stable" is the ressources management tool schoolbell? | 15:29 |
| srichter | I think it is more stable than most other software ;-) | 15:30 |
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| mario1 | is there a debian sarge pkg? i have plone 2.1 and zope 2.8.1 but i dont get compiled schooltool (too many deps) | 15:32 |
| mario1 | isnt it possible to integrate schoolbell into plone or schooltool.. so the users wont need to login twice?? | 15:35 |
| jinty | mario1: eventually i plan to start providing sarge back-ports | 15:36 |
| mario1 | o i see | 15:37 |
| jinty | it is not in sarge for security support reasons, but should migrate to testing shortly after the Zope3.1 release | 15:37 |
| mario1 | jinty, as i understood the idea of schoolbell its not book ressources.. its just an additional mini-feature right? | 15:37 |
| mario1 | i just read (watched :) the pdf s .. | 15:38 |
| * jinty thinks mario1 wants to talk to th1a_ about this | 15:39 | |
| mario1 | if th1a_ wants to talk too.. | 15:40 |
| mario1 | i need a tool for booking/reserving PCs in our school.. | 15:41 |
| mario1 | nothing more nothing less.. | 15:41 |
| mario1 | the schooltool page is very slow.. | 15:49 |
| jinty | th1a_: schooltool 0.11.2? | 16:47 |
| mario1 | cmon i need help | 16:52 |
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| th1a | mario1: I am now awake. | 17:05 |
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| erchache | hi! | 17:06 |
| jinty | th1a: do you need time for a coffee?;) | 17:06 |
| th1a | Perhaps. | 17:06 |
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| mario1 | th1a, as i didnt get installed schooltool/schoolbell on my debian sarge box i installed ubuntu now i have schooltool working.. | 17:07 |
| th1a | mario1: OK, well, probably you should decide for yourself if it does what you need. | 17:07 |
| mario1 | yes but which port does this tool use? | 17:08 |
| mario1 | i dont see any instance of python in my ps.. | 17:08 |
| th1a | Port 7080, I believe. | 17:09 |
| jinty | schoolbell is on 7180 by default in ubuntu | 17:09 |
| erchache | you can change it to 80 | 17:09 |
| mario1 | the pkgs in breezy are OK right? | 17:09 |
| erchache | modifying schoolbell.conf.in | 17:09 |
| th1a | Schoolbell is 7180 and SchoolTool is 7080? | 17:10 |
| erchache | or redirect throught apache with a rewrite sentence on httpd.conf | 17:10 |
| jinty | th1a: correct | 17:10 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:10 |
| jinty | so they can both be installed at the same time:) | 17:10 |
| erchache | th1a jinty: who are writing documentation? i want to include upgrade process to it | 17:10 |
| mario1 | i ve done apt-get install schooltool schoolbell but it didnt start and also no initscripts around .. hmm broken pkgs in ubuntu? | 17:12 |
| erchache | mario1: impossible i installed schoolbell yesterday via apt and runs ok | 17:13 |
| th1a | erchache: I started setting up the new website yesterday. I'll be adding FAQ & documentation stuff throughout the day. | 17:13 |
| erchache | how are you accesing to your st site? | 17:13 |
| erchache | when you finish send me a mail it and i do a spanish translation | 17:14 |
| th1a | The new site uses the system from Plone.org. | 17:14 |
| erchache | or send me a mail and download of svn | 17:14 |
| erchache | ahhh ok | 17:14 |
| mario1 | erchache, i had to reedit my sources.list | 17:14 |
| th1a | So you can edit it online. | 17:14 |
| erchache | plone is good | 17:14 |
| erchache | mario1: :-? | 17:14 |
| erchache | th1a: perfect! | 17:14 |
| th1a | "Plone Software Center" is even better. | 17:14 |
| erchache | can you add me a publisher user? | 17:15 |
| th1a | Just give me another day to get the structure worked out. | 17:15 |
| erchache | well, this sound good | 17:15 |
| erchache | when you finish your work....make me a account with publish permission | 17:15 |
| mario1 | erchache, how can i log in as admin? | 17:15 |
| th1a | I think everyone will be happy with the new site. | 17:15 |
| erchache | mario1: user: manager pass:schoolbell | 17:16 |
| erchache | well lets go to see it! ;-P | 17:16 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4980: | 17:16 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Moved some very old branches into /branches/obsolete/. | 17:16 |
| jinty | th1a: I am hoping to upload the releases/live-cd's/packages to the ftp site. | 17:17 |
| th1a | Doesn't have the new skin yet: http://69.60.114.114:8080/schooltool.org-200509/ | 17:17 |
| mario1 | ok thx its working .. but i d be happy if someone could make sarge pkgs.. | 17:17 |
| th1a | jinty: We'll ftp the files. | 17:17 |
| th1a | And link to them from the Plone site. | 17:17 |
| erchache | mario1: are working... | 17:17 |
| * jinty breathes a BIG sigh of relief | 17:18 | |
| erchache | a release little older than newest but runs... | 17:18 |
| * mgedmin about to switch trunks: /trunk -> /branches/before-srichter-refactoring; /branches/srichter-refactor/schooltool -> /trunk | 17:18 | |
| th1a | But the Plone Software Center product makes things much more organized as well. It is what they developed to manage releases on the plone.org site. | 17:18 |
| jinty | mgedmin: +1 | 17:19 |
| * mgedmin clarifies: /trunk/school{tool,bell} -> /branches/before-srichter-refactoring/school{tool,bell}; /branches/srichter-refactor/schooltool -> /trunk/schooltool | 17:20 | |
| erchache | well i put my st server on production mode next week :-D | 17:21 |
| jinty | th1a: about an x.x.2 release? | 17:22 |
| erchache | i need a public ip and change university web portal to make a redirect | 17:22 |
| erchache | hehehehe....most fun are become on these days ;-P | 17:22 |
| mario1 | erchache, could u pls mail me if its cetinokt@zhwin.ch | 17:22 |
| th1a | There will be one. Why do you want it? | 17:22 |
| mario1 | erchache, if its done | 17:22 |
| jinty | I want to put as many optimizations as possible+translations into one for breezy | 17:23 |
| jinty | which means soon | 17:23 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:24 |
| th1a | Fine by me. | 17:24 |
| mario1 | jinty, some german translations are missing right? | 17:25 |
| jinty | It means porting the optimizations to the release branch, and committing the translations | 17:25 |
| jinty | both of which I can't really do | 17:26 |
| jinty | though I can give the optimizations a try | 17:26 |
| jinty | mario1: our integration with rosetta is not that good yet | 17:26 |
| th1a | jinty: You're just being pedantic about the translations. | 17:27 |
| mario1 | jinty, what is rosetta? | 17:27 |
| th1a | I can commit the translations if you insist, but I don't remember how. | 17:27 |
| mario1 | jinty, ldap / ads translations from zope isnt available for schooltool right? | 17:28 |
| mario1 | oops | 17:28 |
| mario1 | i meant acl over ldap / ads.. | 17:29 |
| jinty | th1a: have a look at http://issues.schooltool.org/issue378 | 17:29 |
| th1a | Ah. | 17:30 |
| th1a | Which branch do they need to be committed to? | 17:31 |
| jinty | the schooltool ones to schooltool-0.11.x and schoolbell to schoolbell-1.2.x | 17:32 |
| th1a | OK. | 17:33 |
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| erchache | mario1: what do you want i email you? | 17:34 |
| mario1 | erchache, the debian pkgs if possible.. | 17:36 |
| jinty | th1a: af.po -> locales/af/LC_MESSAGES/school{bell,tool}.po | 17:39 |
| erchache | anybody....i dont know who....are making debian packages of schooltool/schoolbell software....are you suscribe at mailing list? | 17:39 |
| mario1 | resource conflicts are not handled right.. it shows just a notice but it should be disabled to book a resource twice right?? | 17:39 |
| jinty | erchache: yes, I am | 17:39 |
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| erchache | mario1: suscribe to schooltool@schooltool.org....this is the mailing list....and jinty inform there when a debian package are created | 17:40 |
| th1a | mario1: We just warn the user at this point. | 17:40 |
| th1a | jinty: What's that command for? Do I do that for each locale? | 17:41 |
| drwoo | Is there ay way to get a list of all current calendar events for a single user in schooltool? | 17:41 |
| th1a | "Current?" | 17:41 |
| drwoo | uh, ignore the current. | 17:42 |
| mario1 | erchache, ok thx.. | 17:42 |
| jinty | th1a: the format of the translations in the tarball is different from the translations in the repository. Eventything needs to be moved around. | 17:42 |
| mario1 | th1a, how could i change this so it should be disabled to do so? | 17:43 |
| jinty | s/Eventything/Everything/ | 17:43 |
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| th1a | mario1: You'd have to change the application code. | 17:50 |
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| mario1 | th1a, and is it possible to add zope products into schoolbell/tool ? | 17:53 |
| th1a | Zope 3 products, of which there are few at this point. | 17:53 |
| mario1 | i just want a HTML page (if possible dynamic) for every resource for example with pictures and so on.. | 17:55 |
| th1a | mario1: Zope 3 (and SchoolTool) uses Zope Page Templates, so if you're used to Zope 2 that should help. | 17:57 |
| mario1 | ok perfect.. | 17:58 |
| mario1 | but where is the product dir? | 17:58 |
| mario1 | i mean how can i get into ZMI? | 17:59 |
| th1a | Well, Zope 3 doesn't use those things. | 17:59 |
| mario1 | oo sry for those stupid questions.. | 18:00 |
| mario1 | is the zope api stable (freezed?) so i could write my own changes?? | 18:02 |
| th1a | The Zope3 API? It is stable. | 18:05 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4981: | 18:06 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Switching the trunk: create a place for old schooltool and schoolbell trunks. | 18:06 |
| th1a | We won't be changing the API on the stable branches of SchoolTool or SchoolBell, although (as you can see above) we're starting a new development branch for SchoolTool that will probably have changes in the API. | 18:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4982: | 18:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Switching the trunk: moved trunk/schoolbell -> branches/before-srichter-refactoring/schoolbell. | 18:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4983: | 18:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Switching the trunk: moved trunk/schooltool -> branches/before-srichter-refactoring/schooltool. | 18:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4984: | 18:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Switching the trunk: branches/srichter-refactor/schooltool -> trunk/schooltool. | 18:09 |
| mario1 | i ve done dpkg-reconfigure schoolbell and set RSERV to 99 .. and HTTP to port 80 but it trys to start it afterwards but that doesnt work.. (no error just no app runnin) | 18:12 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4985: | 18:14 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Switching the trunk: fixed svn:externals on the old schooltool branch. | 18:14 |
| jinty | mario1: schooltool runs as user schooltool and as such cannot use port 80. better to install apache and use re-writing. See the README | 18:17 |
| mario1 | doesnt ZOPE support VHM in v3? | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | it does | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | well, VH without the M | 18:18 |
| mario1 | how could i use that instead of apache? | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | you can't use that instead of apache | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | you can use that together with apache | 18:19 |
| mario1 | *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* | 18:19 |
| mgedmin | was that a cry of enlightenment, or a cry of pain? | 18:20 |
| jinty | enlightenment is my guess | 18:20 |
| mario1 | jinty, r u sure? | 18:20 |
| jinty | re: guess | 18:20 |
| mario1 | try again | 18:21 |
| jinty | well, then, pain | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | srichter's not here | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | th1a, perhaps you would remember | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | do we require Python 2.4 for the next release? | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | (i.e. in srichter's branch which is now the new trunk)? | 18:22 |
| th1a | For "SchoolTool 2006," i.e., the new trunk, yes. | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | 'cause my buildbot says tests fail when run with Python 2.3 | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | th1a, thanks | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | I'll install 2.4 on the buildbot host | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | hey, it is installed there | 18:22 |
| jinty | hmmm | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | how do I tell schooltool's makefile/whatever to use it? | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | or at least fail if the default python is not 2.4? | 18:23 |
| mario1 | would u recommend any other solution for resource-booking which is zope based? | 18:24 |
| jinty | export PYTHON=python2.4?? | 18:24 |
| mario1 | or do u know any other? | 18:24 |
| th1a | Not really. | 18:24 |
| mario1 | and how about LDAP schooltool? | 18:25 |
| th1a | Coming probably in a few months. | 18:26 |
| th1a | I almost had srichter start working on it, but it got pushed back again. | 18:26 |
| jinty | mgedmin: or `make PYTHON=python2.4 xxx`? If that doesn't work, it's a bug. | 18:26 |
| th1a | Zope 3 supports LDAP authentication, so it isn't a big job. | 18:26 |
| mario1 | th1a, are all acls in zope available in schooltool or what has to be done? | 18:28 |
| th1a | I'm not sure what you mean. | 18:28 |
| mario1 | as its in zope 2.8 + plone 2.1 | 18:29 |
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| ignas_ | th1a, should pdf views care about timezones ? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | jinty, do you have an opinion about changing the makefile to say PYTHON=python2.4 (currently it says PYTHON=python)? | 18:30 |
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| ignas_ | well they do not ;) | 18:31 |
| th1a | ignas: "Care about timezones?" | 18:31 |
| ignas_ | as in - are timezone aware | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | ignas wants to say that PDF lists all event times in UTC | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | (apparently) | 18:32 |
| mario1 | anyway good night .. | 18:33 |
| th1a | Well, that would be a bug. | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | good night, mario1 | 18:33 |
| th1a | bye mario1 | 18:33 |
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| mgedmin | it seems that the timezone support in sb is incredibly buggy :/ | 18:37 |
| jinty | mgedmin: -1, I would rather test if the python version is 2.x with x >=4 | 18:40 |
| jinty | there will be a python 2.5 one day | 18:40 |
| jinty | the old setup.py used to, I don't think the new one does | 18:42 |
| * jinty must still make a list of setup.py regressions | 18:42 | |
| mgedmin | waah, debian doesn't have libxml2-python2.4! | 18:52 |
| jinty | sarge? | 18:52 |
| jinty | or are you more interested in python2.4-libxml2? | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | but it does have python2.4-libxml2 | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | installing now | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | why is there both python2.3-libxml2 and libxml2-pyton2.3? | 18:54 |
| jinty | one is a transitional package (libxml2-python2.4) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok | 18:55 |
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| jinty | because the developer, when making his first package ignored python policy | 18:55 |
| jinty | which says: pythonx.x-name | 18:56 |
| ignas | th1a, can you rebrand issues 379, 380 | 18:58 |
| ignas | i don't know how important they are ... | 18:58 |
| th1a | How difficult are they to fix? | 19:00 |
| th1a | We've built in extra bugfixing time for this kind of thing, right? | 19:00 |
| ignas | these two bugs would not take that much time, though i am afraid there are some hidden ones left :/ | 19:01 |
| ignas | and urgency would shift the time when we will fix them either up or down .... | 19:01 |
| th1a | OK, "urgent" then. | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | yay, buildbot is happy now | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | hey, 'make test ftest' only runs ftests for schooltool | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | what about tests for schoolbell? | 19:12 |
| th1a | In the new trunk? | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | oh, I see -- src/schoolbell is just a shim for ZODB backwards compatibility | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | it has no actual code and therefore no tests | 19:15 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:16 |
| th1a | We should be able to create a SchoolBell package using zpkg, but it is a *low* priority. | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | I like how the Makefile defines ZPKG=../../zpkg-tools/bin/zpkg | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | (*not*) | 19:19 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4986: | 20:27 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Small refactoring: s/test_name/testdir_name/. | 20:27 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4987: | 20:32 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Introduced a method that determines the name of a test (instead of scattering direct calls to test.id() all over the code). | 20:32 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: BTW Zope 3 uses str(test), while SchoolTool uses test.id(). This is entirely intentional (I prefer "package.module.class.method" to "method (package.module.class)"), but doesn't give optimal results when there are doctest files. I intend to fix doctest file IDs. | 20:32 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4988: | 20:52 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Fix IDs of doctests defined in text files. Previously you'd see tests named | 20:52 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: README_txt README_txt booking_txt | 20:52 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Now you'll see tests named | 20:53 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: schooltool/traverser/README.txt schooltool/app/README.txt schooltool/app/booking.txt | 20:53 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: The implementation of this feature is hacky, and I'm not entirely happy with it. | 20:53 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4989: | 20:53 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Marked a couple of questionable things with XXXes | 20:53 |
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| jelkner | tvon: hi tom! | 21:03 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4990: | 21:07 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Moved the test safety net (checks.py) into a top-level 'testsupport' directory. Taught the test runner to look for this new directory (somewhat hackily, I'm afraid). | 21:07 |
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| jelkner__ | tvon: hi tom! | 21:08 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4991: | 21:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Changed checks.py to use the new name_of_test function of the test runner. Now when I run functional tests, I see which functional test is spewing that libxml2 warning to sys.stderr. | 21:09 |
| jelkner__ | thla: and tom... | 21:09 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * mg committed revision 4992: | 21:12 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Get rid of that obnoxious error message on sys.stderr while running ftests. | 21:12 |
| bskahan | jelkner: do you have anyone besides tom and paul who should have sent an SSH key for svn access? | 21:12 |
| bskahan | those are the only keys I've received | 21:12 |
| jelkner__ | bskahan: no | 21:13 |
| bskahan | cool | 21:13 |
| jelkner__ | i will later | 21:13 |
| jelkner__ | does anyone know why i'm logged in 3 times and what to do about it? | 21:13 |
| th1a | hey jelkner__ | 21:13 |
| jelkner__ | thla: hey tom | 21:14 |
| jelkner__ | do you know why i'm logged in 3 times? | 21:14 |
| jelkner__ | i got kicked off the server twice | 21:14 |
| jelkner__ | but it seems i'm still logged in | 21:14 |
| bskahan | if you have a registered nick you can kill jelkner and take the nick back | 21:14 |
| jelkner__ | how do i get a registered nick? | 21:15 |
| bskahan | /msg nickserv help | 21:15 |
| jelkner__ | thanks | 21:15 |
| bskahan | without the space at the beginning | 21:15 |
| bskahan | np | 21:15 |
| th1a | bskahan: Where should I upload packages for ftp? | 21:16 |
| jelkner__ | help REGISTER | 21:17 |
| jelkner__ | oops | 21:17 |
| jelkner__ | i still don't get this | 21:17 |
| bskahan | th1a: ftp://69.60.114.114/pub/schooltool/<appropriate folder> | 21:18 |
| jelkner__ | it says REGISTER <password> | 21:18 |
| jelkner__ | where to i put the nick? | 21:18 |
| bskahan | it uses your current nick | 21:18 |
| bskahan | you probably want to wait till jelkner expires | 21:19 |
| bskahan | iirc | 21:19 |
| jelkner__ | bskahan: but that's the problem, my current nick is jelkner__ | 21:19 |
| jelkner__ | yup | 21:19 |
| jelkner__ | funny, though, flint is still on this channel, and he didn't even know it | 21:19 |
| jelkner__ | he's been on for weeks, i think | 21:20 |
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| bskahan | th1a: you can scp things into /home/ftp/pub/schooltool/<dir> and they will be availble via ftp | 21:20 |
| th1a | I presume I have permissions for that. | 21:21 |
| jelkner | thla: tom, have you heard from Tom (v) recently? | 21:22 |
| bskahan | th1a: yers | 21:22 |
| bskahan | yes | 21:22 |
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| jelkner | cool, now i'm the one and only jelkner ;-) | 21:23 |
| jelkner | thla: tom, can i ask you a question about dave's request? | 21:24 |
| jelkner | and how to get it fixed... | 21:24 |
| tvon | jelkner: hey | 21:27 |
| jelkner | tvon: hey tom, i was about to send you an email | 21:28 |
| jelkner | to check in and such | 21:28 |
| jelkner | but it would be quicker here | 21:28 |
| jelkner | how are things going? | 21:28 |
| tvon | good. I'll send you a summary email this afternoon if thats okay with you | 21:30 |
| jelkner | great! | 21:30 |
| jelkner | btw. did you see dave welsh's email about the sections screen in schooltool? | 21:31 |
| tvon | yes, I saw it, I havent looked into changing it from cando though | 21:31 |
| jelkner | he is really concerned about it and says it is difficult to use the way it is currently configured | 21:32 |
| jelkner | it is a schooltool issue, not a cando one | 21:32 |
| jelkner | i haven't seen it, but i was going to stop in to see him after this so he could show me what the problem is | 21:32 |
| bskahan | jelkner: what is the issue with it? | 21:33 |
| jelkner | hold on, let me bring up his email... | 21:33 |
| jelkner | here is what he is requesting: | 21:35 |
| jelkner | Change the way a section appears in the sections listing: | 21:35 |
| jelkner | Please list an instructor's sections by showing SECTION title, then COURSE title, then INSTRUCTORS | 21:35 |
| jelkner | (currently list is reversed, showing instructors, course title, then section title) | 21:35 |
| jelkner | he says the the way it is setup now is confusing | 21:36 |
| jelkner | the already have four instructors with several courses and sections using it, so he knows what he is talking about | 21:36 |
| jelkner | they already.. | 21:36 |
| bskahan | there's no builtin way to change that | 21:38 |
| bskahan | it's not a complicated change, but there are several places where it would need to be changed for consistency | 21:38 |
| bskahan | the reason its better his way: each teacher has 4 sections of the same course, so the first value is just repetitive | 21:39 |
| bskahan | correct? | 21:40 |
| jelkner | yes | 21:40 |
| bskahan | drat | 21:40 |
| jelkner | and he say's it is visually very confusing | 21:40 |
| bskahan | th1a: would that be considered a usability bugfix that could go into 0.11.2? | 21:41 |
| th1a | If someone fixes it we can backport it. | 21:41 |
| jelkner | i was hoping to ask more about the feedback process in general for schooltool | 21:41 |
| th1a | OTOH, our intention in general was that people would navigate to sections via courses. | 21:41 |
| th1a | And there was some debate about whether or not there should even be a section index. Apparently it is necessary, however, and needs still more attention. | 21:42 |
| bskahan | oh!, this is on the section index page | 21:42 |
| th1a | Right jelkner? | 21:42 |
| jelkner | i don't know, i haven't seen it | 21:42 |
| bskahan | i hate that page, the course index is much more useful, imnsho | 21:43 |
| jelkner | but i'll tell you what, i'll go to dave's today, and grab a screen shot | 21:43 |
| jelkner | then i can send it in | 21:43 |
| jelkner | but where? | 21:43 |
| bskahan | jelkner: mail it to the list | 21:43 |
| bskahan | or file a bug | 21:43 |
| jelkner | what to you use for bugs? | 21:43 |
| jelkner | malone? | 21:43 |
| bskahan | issues.schooltool.org | 21:43 |
| jelkner | cool | 21:44 |
| jelkner | i'll ask dave to create an account there today | 21:44 |
| jelkner | and i will too | 21:45 |
| jelkner | can i upload a screen shot? | 21:45 |
| bskahan | yes | 21:45 |
| jelkner | great | 21:45 |
| jelkner | ok, let me head over to the career center then, i'll check back in when i get there | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | bskahan, is there any reason why calendar.expand checks whether first.tzname() == last.tzname()? | 22:11 |
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| jelkner | bskahan: hi brian, dave submitted bug issue#382 | 23:09 |
| jelkner | it only allowed on file upload | 23:09 |
| jelkner | so he showed the way it looks after paul fixed it in cando | 23:09 |
| jelkner | but it is still broken in schooltool | 23:09 |
| jelkner | i have a screen shot with the schooltool version | 23:10 |
| jelkner | it does look very confusing | 23:10 |
| jelkner | tvon: you still here, tom? | 23:18 |
| th1a | So... couldn't Paul fix it in SchoolTool? | 23:30 |
| th1a | We need to get that boy a contributor agreement. | 23:30 |
| th1a | Isn't that how this open source thing is supposed to work ;-) | 23:31 |
| th1a | ? | 23:31 |
| th1a | jelkner? | 23:32 |
| jelkner | hi tom | 23:37 |
| jelkner | i was away for a bit | 23:37 |
| th1a | np | 23:37 |
| jelkner | yes, i would love to see that happen | 23:37 |
| jelkner | i'm eager to here how tom's code review goes | 23:38 |
| jelkner | this whole process has been great for paul | 23:39 |
| th1a | btw, I'm putting a section for CanDo on the new SchoolTool.org: http://69.60.114.114:8080/schooltool.org-200509/products/cando-student-competency-tracker | 23:39 |
| jelkner | cool! | 23:40 |
| jelkner | i wanted to figure out what to do with the sourceforge site | 23:40 |
| th1a | Plone Software Center is going to restore my sanity. | 23:40 |
| jelkner | should we do a "this site has been moved..." | 23:40 |
| jelkner | ? | 23:40 |
| th1a | Once I'm done, that would be cool. | 23:40 |
| jelkner | will do | 23:41 |
| th1a | bskahan has to move the skin over. | 23:41 |
| jelkner | great | 23:41 |
| jelkner | this is working out so well! | 23:42 |
| jelkner | the teachers at the career center are loving it. | 23:43 |
| th1a | Excellent. | 23:43 |
| jelkner | most important is that it is working for the kids | 23:43 |
| jelkner | they are finding it easy to use and it is really motivational for them to be able to track their skills development | 23:43 |
| th1a | I'm going to be doing a poster presentation thing at the T+L2 conference next month. I could use some pictures of happy people using CanDo. | 23:43 |
| th1a | And of Eldar and Paul. | 23:43 |
| jelkner | dave is the one to go to for that | 23:44 |
| th1a | Right. | 23:44 |
| th1a | I'll just have to start nagging him regularly, I guess. | 23:44 |
| jelkner | paul and eldar i can work on, but they will have to send them to me. | 23:44 |
| jelkner | i'll get on that | 23:44 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 23:44 |
| th1a | I want to highlight the student contribution to this. | 23:45 |
| jelkner | and i'll help you nag dave ;-) | 23:45 |
| jelkner | ok, time for me to get out of here... | 23:45 |
| jelkner | i'll send out one more email and then check in with you tomorrow... | 23:46 |
| jelkner | talk to you then... | 23:46 |
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