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| th1a | SteveA: We got our server. | 16:57 |
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| srichter | th1a: got up at 5:00 am today again? | 17:34 |
| srichter | :-) | 17:34 |
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| th1a | srichter: More or less. | 17:59 |
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| srichter | th1a: while waiting for the mechanic today I started writing down some extended workflows | 18:43 |
| srichter | there are definitely some hard problems coming up :-) | 18:44 |
| th1a | srichter: anything in particular? | 18:49 |
| srichter | well, I have to figure out how to model multiple concurrent activities in WfMC | 18:50 |
| srichter | I know about a way to do it, but I am not sure it is the best way | 18:50 |
| th1a | What kind of concurrent activities? | 18:50 |
| srichter | for example: a student takes several courses at once | 18:50 |
| srichter | taking a course is pretty much one activity or sub-process | 18:51 |
| srichter | but we have several of them at once | 18:51 |
| th1a | Yes. | 18:51 |
| srichter | I can do this by having an activity called "Complete Classes" that knows about a list of all "Complete a class" sub-processes | 18:52 |
| th1a | And then something has to happen when they are all finished? | 18:52 |
| th1a | Wouldn't you complete one class at a time? | 18:52 |
| srichter | right, this can be controlled via applications | 18:52 |
| srichter | but I hope to find a WfMCish solution | 18:53 |
| srichter | (this is a Python solution) | 18:53 |
| th1a | I see... hrm. | 18:53 |
| th1a | I think the next thing to focus on is the lifecycle of a section. | 18:56 |
| srichter | yeah | 18:56 |
| th1a | Have to pick out the most fundamental processes in the school. | 18:57 |
| th1a | Every school inputs students, promotes them through a sequence and spits them out. | 18:58 |
| srichter | do you want me to model something today in JaWE or do you want to start with a clean slate tomorrow? | 18:58 |
| th1a | Every school creates some kind of sections (even if it is one kid), puts the kids through some kind of experience, and spits them out. | 18:58 |
| srichter | ok, Jim just confirmed that there is no XPDL way of handling our use case, so my solution seems less hacky | 18:59 |
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| th1a | I would say that it is probably a more important goal for me to learn how to make a workflow than precisely what we end up with. | 18:59 |
| th1a | Teach a man to fish... | 18:59 |
| srichter | ok | 19:01 |
| srichter | th1a: btw, I am having a discussion with Jim about WFs on #zope3-dev right now | 19:06 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 19:06 |
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| th1a | ignas_: do you happen to know where povbot keeps the logs for #zope3-dev? | 19:07 |
| th1a | Never mind. Google is my friend. | 19:08 |
| srichter | th1a: the title on the channel has a link :-) | 19:10 |
| th1a | Ah, you're right. | 19:10 |
| tiredbones | Has anyone seen this site: http://fle3.uiah.fi? It's not moodle, but it uses zope and python. | 20:03 |
| th1a | Yep. | 20:04 |
| th1a | I've chatted with them. | 20:04 |
| th1a | Hopefully if there is ever a fle4, it will sit on top of SchoolTool. | 20:05 |
| tiredbones | thla, could fle3 me used istead of moodle? | 20:08 |
| th1a | As a LMS? Depends on what you're trying to do. | 20:08 |
| th1a | They are both meant to be more constructivist and progressive than Blackboard, et al. | 20:09 |
| tiredbones | thla, trying to accomplish what moodle offers. | 20:09 |
| th1a | But I think fle3 is less conventional than Moodle. | 20:09 |
| th1a | However, I've never used either, really, so I don't know. | 20:10 |
| th1a | fle3 has a distinctive approach. | 20:10 |
| tiredbones | thla, it looks like fle3 takes a create roll in learning, where as moodle is more traditional. | 20:12 |
| tiredbones | that is, here the material, learn it. | 20:12 |
| th1a | Precisely. | 20:13 |
| th1a | Although Moodle at least aims to be more learner-centered than Blackboard, etc. fle3 goes farther. | 20:14 |
| tiredbones | Well, it seems that fle3 needs what moodle has to have the best of both worlds. | 20:15 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 20:17 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: do you have a merge schedule for the branch? | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | sadly, no | 20:31 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 4890: | 22:14 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Change to new zpkgtools features added by Fred today. | 22:14 |
| srichter | th1a: do we want to also support the difference between software and instance home in schooltool? | 22:26 |
| srichter | it is only important, if we expect people to run multiple SchoolTool sites on a server | 22:27 |
| th1a | I think we want to allow people to run multiple sties on one server. | 22:27 |
| srichter | ok | 22:27 |
| th1a | We want people to be able to have little SchoolTool hosting businesses. | 22:28 |
| srichter | ok | 22:28 |
| th1a | And it would be more efficient for them to use one Zope instance, right? | 22:28 |
| srichter | well, instances help you to keep data apart and install software only for selected instances | 22:29 |
| srichter | definitely needed, if we want to allow hosting | 22:29 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:32 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * srichter committed revision 4891: | 23:03 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: - Moved helper scripts to new utilities/ directory. - Moved data files to new var/ directory. | 23:03 |
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| srichter | yipee, I can compile the trunk with zpkgsetup now; no more custom setup.py needed | 23:36 |
| th1a | Cool. | 23:36 |
| srichter | I just got a spurios ftest failure to fix before I can check in | 23:44 |
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