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| gula | anyone using schoolbell via fast-cgi?? | 08:11 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * tvon committed revision 4141: | 08:27 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: newline | 08:27 |
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| erchache | hi | 19:35 |
| erchache | anybody here? | 19:35 |
| tvon | Hello erchache | 19:35 |
| erchache | i send a mail to schooltool mailing list | 19:35 |
| th1a | Hi. | 19:35 |
| erchache | where is tom? | 19:35 |
| erchache | eeee | 19:36 |
| erchache | noboby knows? | 19:36 |
| th1a | I am here. | 19:36 |
| th1a | I was at a conference last week. | 19:36 |
| th1a | I'm going to be in Genoa next week. | 19:36 |
| erchache | genova? | 19:37 |
| erchache | well i dont have much time to stay here | 19:37 |
| th1a | Genova. | 19:37 |
| erchache | i have some little problems with schooltool i write all on the mail | 19:38 |
| th1a | Apparently Genoa and Genova are the same place. Took me a while to figure that out. | 19:38 |
| th1a | OK. | 19:38 |
| erchache | and i have big experience on moodle | 19:38 |
| tvon | heh | 19:38 |
| erchache | too difficult to join both....moodle and schooltool | 19:38 |
| erchache | but its a good oportunity now....because other software are planned to join to moodle.... | 19:38 |
| erchache | we can get this moment to offer integration with moodle | 19:39 |
| erchache | you know? | 19:39 |
| th1a | This is a good time to start talking with Moodle people? | 19:39 |
| erchache | yeah | 19:40 |
| erchache | i think so | 19:40 |
| th1a | For most of your problems I think jinty is the best person to talk to. | 19:40 |
| th1a | Is he traveling now? | 19:40 |
| tvon | being written in PHP, I'd think they would likely hook in via the REST interface | 19:40 |
| erchache | ok | 19:40 |
| erchache | O_o | 19:40 |
| tvon | th1a: question about external code in ST | 19:41 |
| erchache | im not guru programmer....i hate programming.....programmers and hotline technicians are the bi... of computer bussines | 19:41 |
| tvon | th1a: the batching code we found is from the z3 bugtracker and under the ZPL, can we pull that in? | 19:41 |
| erchache | very very hard work and poor payed and not recognized | 19:42 |
| th1a | tvon: Why isn't it in Zope3? | 19:42 |
| tvon | th1a: it isn't in the bugtracker any more, we found it in the CVS attic | 19:43 |
| erchache | :( | 19:43 |
| th1a | Ah. | 19:43 |
| tvon | th1a: IIRC it was deemed "inappropriate" for z3 core | 19:43 |
| th1a | So it is in limbo? Do you know who wrote it? | 19:44 |
| erchache | well i left.... | 19:44 |
| erchache | bye | 19:44 |
| erchache | see later! | 19:44 |
| th1a | Bye. | 19:44 |
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| tvon | th1a: no name in the header, just (c) Zope Corp and ZPL... I could find out though | 19:44 |
| th1a | srichter: ayt? | 19:45 |
| tvon | th1a: also, for the calendar widgets I found some BSD licensed javascript | 19:45 |
| th1a | Let's ask Stephan. | 19:45 |
| * tvon nods | 19:45 | |
| th1a | As far as I know, we can use the BSD licensed code. We just need to keep track of it. | 19:46 |
| * tvon nods | 19:46 | |
| tvon | the batching code is very simple, granted | 19:48 |
| th1a | Well, if we could figure out where it came from, I'd imagine that whomever wrote it would let us use it. | 19:49 |
| th1a | Or, if it just happened to accidentally fall off the truck... | 19:49 |
| tvon | heh | 19:50 |
| th1a | Adding that story is fine. I need to send your initial invoice in. I was waiting for POV's to send them in, and I don't think I ever got it. | 19:53 |
| tvon | okay, I'll get that to you shortly | 19:59 |
| th1a | Also, I need to send you an email about what we'd need on our web server. | 19:59 |
| tvon | I still haven't gotten any information about it | 20:10 |
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| th1a | tvon: I'll send you an email shortly. | 20:19 |
| tvon | th1a: ah, thanks | 20:21 |
| th1a | tvon: How do you feel about doing forums in Plone, compared to something else. Ubuntuforums use vBulletin, which, oddly, doesn't seem to be free software. | 20:39 |
| tvon | th1a: PloneBoard (or whatever it's called) works fine. Is no as fancy as PHPBB or some other solutions out there but I have no desire to setup a whole separate system for the forums. | 20:55 |
| th1a | Yes. | 20:55 |
| th1a | Hm... I don't understand how installing Plone products using Ubuntu packages is supposed to work. Have you ever done it that way? | 20:58 |
| th1a | I mean, I installed the packages, but they don't seem to appear in the ZMI. | 20:58 |
| tvon | nah, I never bother with packages and zope | 21:04 |
| th1a | Hmm. SteveA says: "1. List the exact names of any Ubuntu packages you need installed on that server, or if the software is not available as Ubuntu packages, to say exactly how to get the software you need installed." | 21:05 |
| tvon | hrm | 21:05 |
| tvon | their plone is 2.0.4 which is pretty old | 21:06 |
| tvon | part of the reason I don't bother with packages | 21:06 |
| th1a | otoh, Mark says: "Is there any reason why this cannot just be a Linode.com virtual server, where you get an Ubuntu image and root, and can pretty much do what you want?" | 21:06 |
| th1a | I'll take door #2. | 21:06 |
| tvon | that should be fine | 21:06 |
| tvon | if we are not moving mail/svn to it | 21:06 |
| th1a | Right. No real need to do that. | 21:07 |
| SteveA | i'd like you to move mail there | 21:07 |
| SteveA | svn runs on pov's own server | 21:07 |
| tvon | ah, thought mail did too | 21:07 |
| SteveA | i'm pretty sure that mail is running on a server that pov maintains, but that's actually my server | 21:08 |
| SteveA | same with the bugtracker | 21:08 |
| SteveA | and the demo service | 21:08 |
| tvon | hrm | 21:10 |
| tvon | for the price we might as well use something dedicated | 21:12 |
| tvon | looking at the linode ram prices | 21:12 |
| tvon | 512m ram minimum | 21:13 |
| tvon | imo | 21:13 |
| tvon | unless I'm reading this wrong, do they really offer 64 M as a base? seems crazy | 21:14 |
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| tvon | $300/mo for linode with 512.. I must be misunderstanding something about this | 21:21 |
| tvon | well, we use server beach for our hosting at $120-ish /mo with a gig of ram | 21:21 |
| th1a | The memory seems overly expensive. | 21:22 |
| tvon | yeah | 21:22 |
| tvon | As far as packages go, just zope2.7 from ubuntu and the rest installed manually | 21:23 |
| tvon | and I guess postfix/mailman/roundup | 21:24 |
| th1a | My biggest priority is just being able to make changes to the server without having to go through a third party. | 21:24 |
| tvon | yeah | 21:24 |
| tvon | sounds like we'll be sharing something at canonical | 21:24 |
| th1a | OK. I didn't understand what a "linode.com" server was. I'd rather Mark just pay for us to have our own thing without having to beg off Canonical. | 21:25 |
| tvon | The Power2200 from serverbeach.com is more than sufficient I think | 21:26 |
| tvon | I'm open to alternatives, they've been fine with us but nothing I'd go out of my way to reccomend | 21:26 |
| tvon | on the rare occasion when you might need to speak to a human being, they can be hard to get ahold of | 21:26 |
| th1a | Well, presumably Mark has some reason for bringing up linode. | 21:26 |
| tvon | and for Ubuntu we'd probably need to upgrade from Sarge | 21:27 |
| tvon | maybe because they can load Ubuntu, or maybe he doesnt understand our needs | 21:27 |
| th1a | Or perhaps there is some connection we don't know about. | 21:29 |
| tvon | they aren't listed in the ubuntu marketplace | 21:30 |
| * tvon shrugs | 21:30 | |
| th1a | Regardless, I'll follow up on it with Mark. | 21:30 |
| tvon | Okay | 21:31 |
| th1a | The RAM and CPU stats might be misleading, as the CPU is "burstable to 100% of the host's CPU," although hosting vendors aren't known for understating their specs. | 21:32 |
| tvon | I'm sketched out by vhosting... maybe I just don't understand it well enough | 21:33 |
| tvon | that and we had a bad experience with vhosting and always running out of memory... but that was likely just a bad provider | 21:34 |
| th1a | Well, regardless, I'll follow up with Mark. | 21:34 |
| * tvon nods | 21:35 | |
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| tvon | th1a: do you have a tivo? | 21:43 |
| th1a | Netflix. | 21:43 |
| tvon | ahh | 21:43 |
| th1a | I don't have cable. | 21:43 |
| tvon | knew it was something like that | 21:43 |
| tvon | I have "it was on when I moved in" cable, which is nice | 21:43 |
| tvon | picked up a tivo last week, it's pretty nifty | 21:43 |
| tvon | never again will I miss an episode of The Daily Show or Battlestar Galactica | 21:44 |
| th1a | I got one for my parents for Christmas. Turns out retirees aren't the target audience. | 21:44 |
| tvon | heh | 21:44 |
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