| th1a | OK. Thanks. And if you could poke jdub about the server. He seems to have forgotten us again. | 00:02 |
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| ffsnoopy | I am adding a checkbox field to the person_details.pt file, but it is not sent as part of the fieldset with the other options | 01:29 |
| ffsnoopy | (when clicking Apply) | 01:30 |
| ffsnoopy | creating a regular text input does work though | 01:33 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 4113: | 01:37 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: small UI changes, mostly adding the section title where appropriate. | 01:37 |
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| ffsnoopy | never mind | 02:33 |
| ffsnoopy | i figured it out | 02:33 |
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| jelkner | you here, tom? | 02:50 |
| jelkner | is there anyone here who can answer a question about testing? | 02:51 |
| jelkner | we are in our XP codefest, and we are focusing on learning schooltool | 02:52 |
| jelkner | we would be grateful for some pointers as to how you do TDD with the pt files. | 02:52 |
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| th1a | jelkner: You should give me a heads up when you guys are going to be working. | 04:47 |
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| erchache | hi | 16:28 |
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| erchache | hi again | 16:53 |
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| erchache | anybody is here? | 17:19 |
| erchache | i need some questions.... :D | 17:19 |
| erchache | th1a | 17:19 |
| erchache | ignas | 17:19 |
| erchache | bskahan | 17:19 |
| bskahan | hi | 17:27 |
| bskahan | erchache: hello | 17:27 |
| erchache | i have a "serious" conversation with my boss | 17:28 |
| erchache | and we are able to buy a new server....surely a sun fire v20 | 17:29 |
| bskahan | hope it went well | 17:29 |
| bskahan | wow | 17:29 |
| erchache | to install schooltool | 17:29 |
| bskahan | nice | 17:29 |
| bskahan | I bet noone's ever run ST on a sun machine | 17:29 |
| erchache | one question.....this server with 2 gb of RAM how many users can access to it? for performance tips... | 17:30 |
| * matiasV once try ST in an HPUX 11i | 17:30 | |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 4114: | 17:30 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: added location attribute to ISection, type restrictions in the section class limit locations to only resources where r.isLocation is true. | 17:30 |
| erchache | welll | 17:31 |
| erchache | is it a good option or need more power server? | 17:32 |
| erchache | because all university users, 60000 persons, must be potential users of st | 17:32 |
| erchache | we have other calendar program for computer practice labs on php | 17:32 |
| bskahan | erchache: your talking about a use case we're completely unprepaired for | 17:32 |
| erchache | what! | 17:33 |
| erchache | no? :O | 17:33 |
| erchache | are alpha? | 17:33 |
| bskahan | you would be the first person using ST with 5000 users, let alone 60,000 | 17:33 |
| Aiste | very good test for volume and speed :) | 17:33 |
| bskahan | amen | 17:34 |
| bskahan | erchache: the current target use case is a school with approximately 1000 users | 17:34 |
| erchache | well...remake the question | 17:34 |
| erchache | when schooltool are avaible on spanish? | 17:34 |
| erchache | i do all translation | 17:35 |
| bskahan | very soon | 17:35 |
| erchache | or i can redo | 17:35 |
| erchache | how soon? i need a date | 17:35 |
| erchache | 1 month | 17:35 |
| matiasV | erchache, de donde sos? | 17:35 |
| erchache | sevilla capital | 17:35 |
| erchache | tu argentino por lo que veo ;P | 17:35 |
| matiasV | Buenos Aires ;) | 17:35 |
| erchache | :D | 17:35 |
| bskahan | you did all the schoolbell translations for 1.1 so there shouldn't be much left for schooltool 0.10 | 17:35 |
| bskahan | 0.10 is out now | 17:36 |
| erchache | do i need to translate schootool too? | 17:36 |
| bskahan | there are additional features in schooltool | 17:36 |
| bskahan | for handling classes/timetables | 17:36 |
| bskahan | its not very much compared to schoolbell | 17:36 |
| erchache | in this case schooltool is the start point no? | 17:36 |
| bskahan | schooltool inherits your translations from schoolbell, only pages that are new need translation | 17:37 |
| erchache | what do you think is the best election? schooltool or schoolbell? | 17:37 |
| bskahan | (I think) | 17:37 |
| bskahan | it depends on what you need to do with it | 17:37 |
| erchache | well good | 17:37 |
| erchache | i need a environment to manage timetable of classroom, resources, teachers....to serve on a portal | 17:38 |
| erchache | a way to comunicate all important dates from university to all people | 17:38 |
| erchache | you know? | 17:38 |
| bskahan | http://www.schooltool.org/releases/schooltool0.10/0.10 | 17:38 |
| bskahan | that's the brand new release with timetables, courses, sections | 17:39 |
| erchache | ok | 17:39 |
| erchache | i installed schoolbell from apt-get on my hoary laptop | 17:40 |
| bskahan | that's version 1.0 | 17:40 |
| erchache | but i erase for schooltool....via apt-get too | 17:40 |
| erchache | i see schooltool are better than schoolbell | 17:40 |
| bskahan | the current release of schoolbell is 1.1.1 | 17:40 |
| erchache | but this is from source | 17:40 |
| bskahan | which I believe has all your translations | 17:40 |
| bskahan | yes | 17:40 |
| erchache | i need .deb | 17:40 |
| erchache | how i can obtain a .deb or include it into ubuntu apt repository? | 17:41 |
| bskahan | there won't be a deb of the new version in ubuntu until breezy | 17:41 |
| bskahan | you can probably get the source and build the .deb | 17:41 |
| erchache | why? other software can be upgrade.....like gaim or other | 17:41 |
| erchache | uhmmm ok | 17:41 |
| erchache | alien? | 17:41 |
| bskahan | or send a mail to the schooltool-dev list asking brian sutherland (jinty) to build the deb | 17:42 |
| erchache | ok ok | 17:42 |
| erchache | i think this is the best solution.....to send a mail with all my objetives....and actual problems... | 17:42 |
| bskahan | no promises that he'll do it, but he's the one who would know what needs to be done | 17:42 |
| erchache | most important question is server requirements | 17:42 |
| erchache | i see doc and say RAM is more important on python/zope installations | 17:43 |
| erchache | like plone or similars no? | 17:43 |
| bskahan | we don't know the server requirements yet sadly | 17:43 |
| erchache | well.....take other soft....plone | 17:43 |
| erchache | plone is very similar to ST no¨? | 17:43 |
| bskahan | schooltool 0.10 is the first version that's really end-user ready | 17:43 |
| erchache | plone is very similar to ST no¨? | 17:43 |
| bskahan | they both are built on Zope and use the ZODB | 17:43 |
| erchache | yeah | 17:44 |
| bskahan | plone uses zope2 though | 17:44 |
| erchache | for this reason requirements must be similar no? | 17:44 |
| bskahan | not really | 17:44 |
| bskahan | plone is a stable project that's been in production use for several years | 17:44 |
| bskahan | its had time to be optimized | 17:45 |
| erchache | :( | 17:45 |
| erchache | you are painting very dark the situation.... :( | 17:45 |
| bskahan | the requirements should be similar as schooltool is tested | 17:45 |
| bskahan | sorry, I want you to move ahead, I just want to make sure you do the testing required rather than getting stuck | 17:46 |
| bskahan | your talking about 60,000 users | 17:46 |
| erchache | well.... put 5000 simultaneous users.... | 17:47 |
| erchache | 60000 users on database | 17:47 |
| erchache | 5000 accesing at the same time on overheat situations.... | 17:47 |
| bskahan | set up a test case | 17:47 |
| bskahan | load up 20 users with busy calendars | 17:48 |
| bskahan | run some benchmarks against the yearly calendar view page | 17:48 |
| bskahan | see how many concurrent users you can get | 17:48 |
| matiasV | erchache, Maybe you need to move ZODB to another server... I would look at tunning tips for plone/Zope | 17:48 |
| erchache | ZOE? | 17:48 |
| erchache | ok ok | 17:48 |
| erchache | i go to #plone to ask this | 17:49 |
| bskahan | erchache: definitely send a mail to the schooltool-dev list | 17:49 |
| erchache | ill back.... | 17:49 |
| erchache | yeah | 17:49 |
| bskahan | erchache: ask in zope3-dev | 17:49 |
| erchache | ok | 17:49 |
| bskahan | since your dealing with z3 not 2 | 17:49 |
| erchache | thanks for all.... | 17:49 |
| bskahan | np | 17:49 |
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| erchache | mail sended to ST-Dev | 18:40 |
| erchache | matiasV: como conociste el programa? | 18:40 |
| matiasV | erchache, ST? buscando un calendario para el grupo donde trabajo | 18:41 |
| erchache | en que grupo | 18:42 |
| matiasV | erchache, Soporte de HPUX en HP | 18:42 |
| matiasV | erchache, Nada que ver con una escuela ;) | 18:42 |
| matiasV | el tema es que no hay ningun calendario sencillo que cumpla lo que necesitamos, asi me puse a busca algo en python que es en lo que programo mas comodamente | 18:44 |
| erchache | ahhh | 18:44 |
| erchache | muy bien | 18:44 |
| erchache | HPUX de HP? en que trabajas....yo en una universidad... | 18:44 |
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| matiasV | Doy soporte de hardware y sistema operativo en HP... lo de programar es mas un hobbie, aunque armo algunas paginas y herramientas internas | 18:48 |
| ffsnoopy | from src/schoolbell/app/browser/templates/person_details.pt, how can I access the details like nickname, home_page, etc.? | 18:48 |
| ffsnoopy | apparently it's done in the macros | 18:49 |
| matiasV | erchache, y tu? que haces? | 18:49 |
| ffsnoopy | but I want to do it within the emplate itself | 18:49 |
| ffsnoopy | template* | 18:49 |
| ffsnoopy | view/details/* causes an error | 18:49 |
| * matiasV se le escapa el "tu" de tanto hablar con los gente de chile | 18:49 | |
| erchache | mas o menos como yo | 18:50 |
| erchache | admin de sistemas LAMP | 18:50 |
| erchache | y ahora me ha tocado el "brown job" de plone y ST | 18:50 |
| erchache | entre otras cositas | 18:50 |
| erchache | traduje casi todo el schoolbell | 18:50 |
| erchache | creo que tendre que hacer lo mismo para el schooltool | 18:51 |
| erchache | una boludez | 18:51 |
| matiasV | creo que como usuarios de proyectos Open Source siempre hay que tratar de aportar... | 18:53 |
| erchache | pooo zi | 18:53 |
| erchache | yo estoy metido hasta las orejas | 18:53 |
| matiasV | Jajaj | 18:54 |
| ignas | is there a way to do a multiple-value-setf ? | 18:54 |
| erchache | pero deberia de hacer mas en programacion....lo que pasa es que soy muuuuuuuuy vago....y odio programar | 18:54 |
| ignas | wrong channel | 18:54 |
| erchache | lo mas poco reconocido del gremio....programador.....tecnico de call center y similar....ofu....ya nos llaman la atencion :D | 18:54 |
| erchache | ignas: ok ok sorry | 18:54 |
| erchache | :D | 18:55 |
| erchache | me tomo un cafe frio/ill take a cold coffee | 18:55 |
| erchache | :D | 18:55 |
| ignas | no i meant - my last phrase was in the wrong channel ;) | 18:55 |
| matiasV | erchache, same here. I don't hate it... but, how to put it, is not my strongest point | 18:55 |
| * matiasV switchs to english, he do not want to be rude to all the other people in the channel | 18:57 | |
| erchache | yeah | 19:15 |
| erchache | :D | 19:15 |
| erchache | restarting on linux | 19:17 |
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| jelkner | th1a: tom, you here? | 19:22 |
| th1a | jelkner: I am here. | 19:23 |
| th1a | I have also become completely nocturnal, apparently. | 19:24 |
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| erchache | hi again | 19:24 |
| jelkner | so what hours are best to reach you? | 19:24 |
| th1a | It is a good thing I'm going to a conference tomorrow. I'll have to return to human time. | 19:24 |
| jelkner | i just sent an email to the list (cc'd you) with a few questions from our codefest last night | 19:24 |
| jelkner | no one was active on irc at that time | 19:25 |
| th1a | Well, normally I'd say 10-2 AM and PM est. | 19:25 |
| jelkner | ahh, our codefests run from 6:30 - 9:30 pm | 19:25 |
| jelkner | est | 19:25 |
| th1a | Yesterday I was trying to install Ubuntu on my Powerbook, so I wasn't in my usual state of alertness. | 19:25 |
| th1a | Are those meetings every Thursday? | 19:26 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:26 |
| jelkner | i was wondering if anyone would be interested in volunteering to join us next week through irc | 19:26 |
| erchache | thla: have you a ibook? | 19:26 |
| jelkner | no | 19:26 |
| jelkner | only x86 gnu/linux boxes | 19:27 |
| erchache | thla: have you a ibook? | 19:27 |
| jelkner | oops ;-) | 19:27 |
| jelkner | th1a: tom, we are at a fairly important turning point right now | 19:28 |
| th1a | I've got a powerbook. | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we need a bit of help | 19:28 |
| th1a | Sure. | 19:28 |
| jelkner | we have several interested folks showing up and eager to learn about schooltool and zope3 | 19:29 |
| jelkner | but we are finding the learning curve to be very steep | 19:29 |
| th1a | Well, I should be able to, but then again it is unlikely that I can give you the necessary technical assisstance. | 19:29 |
| jelkner | did you see the email i sent? | 19:29 |
| th1a | jelkner: Sad to say, but I just crawled out of bed. | 19:30 |
| jelkner | no problem | 19:30 |
| jelkner | basically, we need help "learning how to learn" | 19:30 |
| * th1a is reading the email. | 19:30 | |
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| th1a | You can use ++apidoc++ with SchoolTool, at least if you install SchoolTool as an add-on package to an existing Zope3 instance. | 19:32 |
| th1a | Which should be pretty easy, although I don't know that anyone has actually done it lately. | 19:32 |
| th1a | We should try to make a point of getting that running this week. | 19:33 |
| jelkner | that would be great | 19:33 |
| th1a | I think we just test page templates with functional tests, but I might be wrong. | 19:33 |
| jelkner | that is what george proposed, but i wanted to check | 19:34 |
| jelkner | he wasn't really happy about the thought of it | 19:34 |
| th1a | As far as documentation, It is all in the repository. | 19:34 |
| jelkner | a lot goes on in page templates, and it makes TDD hard to do | 19:34 |
| jelkner | and hard find bugs | 19:34 |
| th1a | Is there any elegant system for testing HTML output? | 19:35 |
| th1a | That would seem to be more than just a ZPT problem. | 19:35 |
| jelkner | he was cursing XML and wishing for python configuration files | 19:35 |
| jelkner | indeed | 19:35 |
| jelkner | that's way he was cursing xml | 19:35 |
| th1a | Hopefully there will be some ZCML editors soon. | 19:36 |
| th1a | It is an itch several people are ready to scratch. | 19:36 |
| jelkner | we wanted some way to test incrementally that they were loading what we wanted them to load | 19:36 |
| th1a | loading? | 19:37 |
| jelkner | page templates are dynamic | 19:38 |
| jelkner | we want to test all the tal stuff step by step | 19:38 |
| jelkner | i'm really the wrong one to be communicating this | 19:38 |
| jelkner | i'm just the teacher, not a developer | 19:39 |
| jelkner | all the developers were here last night | 19:39 |
| th1a | Me too :-) | 19:39 |
| jelkner | which is why i would like to set something up if possible for next thursday | 19:39 |
| th1a | I saw your message too late. | 19:39 |
| jelkner | no problem, we are doing this each week | 19:39 |
| th1a | My IRC client on the Mac beeps at me, but my X-Chat doesn't. | 19:39 |
| jelkner | ahh | 19:40 |
| th1a | That also tends to get me up in the morning, but it was off today. | 19:40 |
| jelkner | you need to sleep sometime, after all | 19:40 |
| jelkner | so, let me some up, and correct me if i'm wrong: | 19:41 |
| jelkner | 1. by next week, i should install schooltool from svn as a zope3 addon? | 19:41 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:41 |
| th1a | Let me point you in the right direction. | 19:42 |
| jelkner | 2. i should stay in touch with you about the possibility of a schooltool master dropping in on our next codefest through irc | 19:42 |
| jelkner | ? | 19:42 |
| jelkner | with just a little bit of help, i think we can be off to the races | 19:43 |
| th1a | http://source.schooltool.org/svn/trunk/schoolbell/src/schoolbell/app/README.txt | 19:43 |
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| th1a | Given that it will be very early in the morning in Lithuania, I think it'll have to be tvon or bskahan (plus me). | 19:44 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to run to my other school. | 19:44 |
| th1a | What are the times again? | 19:44 |
| jelkner | 6:30 - 9:30 pm EST | 19:45 |
| jelkner | thursday | 19:45 |
| th1a | Adding to my calendar. | 19:45 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 19:45 |
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| jelkner | i've bookmarked the install page and will try it out this weekend | 19:45 |
| jelkner | enjoy the conference... talk to you next week... | 19:46 |
| bskahan | th1a: don't suppose your going to the edubuntu summit? | 19:46 |
| th1a | Apparently not. | 19:46 |
| bskahan | hi jeff | 19:46 |
| jelkner | hi | 19:46 |
| bskahan | would be really nice to have schooltool represented | 19:46 |
| th1a | I assume Mark knows what he is doing with it. | 19:47 |
| jelkner | yeah, mark started it, right? | 19:47 |
| jelkner | so schooltool will be *well* represented ;-) | 19:47 |
| th1a | We haven't been represented in the planning, but I'm not too concerned about it at this stage. | 19:47 |
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| jelkner | planning has been really rushed | 19:48 |
| jelkner | they only decided to do it a few weeks ago | 19:48 |
| bskahan | when we get to questions about single sign-on etc. it will be more of a question | 19:48 |
| bskahan | jelkner: are you going? | 19:48 |
| th1a | bskahan: right. | 19:48 |
| jelkner | bskahan: no, it was too late notice for me | 19:49 |
| jelkner | a good friend of mine, paul flint, is going from here instead | 19:49 |
| bskahan | I remember Paul from ZPUG and PyCon | 19:50 |
| jelkner | paul is hard to forget ;-) | 19:50 |
| jelkner | anyway, i gotta run. talk to you all next week | 19:51 |
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| flint | bshkahan, what is your first name? | 21:08 |
| bskahan | brian | 21:18 |
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| flint | Brian, thanks! This is my first incursion into the freenode! | 23:32 |
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