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| povbot | /svn/commits: Adding Spanish README. | 04:11 |
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| *** bskahan changes topic to " Schoolbell 1.0 is out! Get it from http://www.schooltool.org/releases/schoolbell1.1 | IRC logs are at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/" | 13:34 | |
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| *** bskahan changes topic to " Schooltool 0.10 & Schoolbell 1.1 are out! Get them from http://www.schooltool.org/releases/ | IRC logs are at http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/" | 13:38 | |
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| erchache | hi | 14:02 |
| erchache | this afternoon im going to test new schooltool 1.1 on my laptop | 14:03 |
| erchache | are include i18n files? | 14:03 |
| bskahan | erchache: if I understand correctly, there will be a release in 2 weeks with all the translations | 14:04 |
| erchache | ok ok | 14:04 |
| bskahan | I noticed the README.es got committed to CVS though | 14:04 |
| bskahan | thanks | 14:04 |
| erchache | ok | 14:04 |
| erchache | its i want to know :D | 14:04 |
| erchache | i send by snail to commit schooltool shuttleworth foundation agreement to get cvs access | 14:05 |
| bskahan | good | 14:05 |
| SteveA_ | SVN | 14:06 |
| SteveA_ | schooltool uses subversion | 14:06 |
| SteveA_ | it's probably possible to use fax, if you want to get the committer's agreement turned around more quickly | 14:07 |
| erchache | fax its too expensive for me :( | 14:08 |
| erchache | bye see later | 14:16 |
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| bskahan | RFC: Instead of having milestone release number M7, M8, or decimal numbering 0.10, 0.11, 1.0 we should number schooltool releases like Ubuntu/Gentoo - SchoolYear.Semester.[point upgrade] | 15:00 |
| bskahan | So SchoolTool Calendar 0.11, rather than being somewhat confusingly named and numbered, will just be SchoolTool 2005.9 and be referred to as SchoolTool Fall05 | 15:02 |
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| bskahan | note: the YYYY.MM refer to when it is intended to be used, not when it's released | 15:04 |
| SteveA_ | "Fall" | 15:04 |
| SteveA_ | that's so US | 15:04 |
| bskahan | SteveA_: I was wondering about that | 15:04 |
| SteveA_ | and also, northern-hemisphere-centric | 15:04 |
| bskahan | specific US bias aside, what do you think about the general idea of numbering/naming based on the schoolyear we expect the releases to be used? | 15:06 |
| bskahan | I started thinking about it because of 0.10/0.11, they're both versions of what we think people can use in the classroom this coming year | 15:08 |
| SteveA_ | a few projects use release numbers similar to ubuntu | 15:08 |
| SteveA_ | ubuntu wasn't the first | 15:08 |
| bskahan | gentoo is the first I know of | 15:09 |
| SteveA_ | that's to use the year and month of release | 15:09 |
| bskahan | it seems particularly appropriate for ST because schools are allready tide to a yearly cycle | 15:09 |
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| th1a | bskahan: I think in the long run it is a good idea. | 17:01 |
| bskahan | th1a: I was thinking YYYY.MM.xx with any xx changes are painless upgrades that can/should be done during a year, while YYYY or MM changes may require additional setup or configuration | 17:04 |
| th1a | Well, that might be a little more complicated than necessary. | 17:04 |
| bskahan | I'm guessing that in the foreseeable future, schooltool will be managed by technically savy teachers or allready overworked sysadmins | 17:05 |
| th1a | Well, that's not necessarily true, but we are certainly trying to make something that can be managed by those people. | 17:06 |
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| bskahan | having an "within year" upgrade path for those folks might be nice | 17:08 |
| th1a | I agree, I just meant taking it down to SchoolTool 2006.07.13 might be a little more fine-grained than necessary. | 17:09 |
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| bskahan | th1a: your probably right | 17:09 |
| bskahan | the thought process that started that was trying to find an elegant way to say "0.10 has all the features you'll see if you use schooltool this upcoming year, but there will be one more release so please test it now and send feedback" | 17:10 |
| th1a | The important thing is that we're in sync with the annual cycle of schools. | 17:11 |
| bskahan | so I started thinking something like, "0.10 is the fist release in the Fall05 series."(SteveA pointed out my bias) | 17:12 |
| bskahan | but you get the idea | 17:13 |
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| th1a | Yeah. As far as I can tell, "summer vacation" in South Africa is over Christmas. | 17:13 |
| bskahan | heh | 17:14 |
| th1a | So their year lags 4 months behind ours, school-wise. | 17:14 |
| bskahan | I'm going to visit a friend in NZ over his winter break in July | 17:14 |
| th1a | Although they have a few weeks between each quarter. | 17:14 |
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| povbot | /svn/commits: * jinty committed revision 4031: | 17:24 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: Add po file verification by compilation (using msgfmt) to get-rosetta-translations.py | 17:24 |
| bskahan | http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page | 17:36 |
| bskahan | once LDAP auth works :-D | 17:36 |
| th1a | Oh, yeah. Today's their big day. | 17:37 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: I don't think we have a generation marker in schooltool | 17:48 |
| bskahan | is this all that needs to be added for schooltool/configure.zcml | 17:49 |
| bskahan | <utility | 17:49 |
| bskahan | name="schooltool" | 17:49 |
| bskahan | provides="zope.app.generations.interfaces.ISchemaManager" | 17:49 |
| bskahan | factory="zope.app.generations.generations.SchemaManager" | 17:49 |
| bskahan | /> | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | we still don't? eek! | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | yes,that's what needs to be added | 17:49 |
| bskahan | commiting | 17:50 |
| bskahan | the comment in schoolbell/app/configure.zcml still says we're at generation 0 ;) | 17:51 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: * bskahan committed revision 4032: | 17:52 |
| povbot | /svn/commits: add generations marker for schooltool. Jinty, this is an important change for the release. | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, why? | 17:52 |
| bskahan | why what? | 17:52 |
| bskahan | why is it important? | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | schoolbell | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | do you want to say that you didn't write an evolution script to upgrade sb 1.0 dates without timezone to sb 1.1 dates with timezone? | 17:53 |
| bskahan | I just noticed the comment when I was looking declaration syntax | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | or you just didn't hook it up? | 17:53 |
| bskahan | no, the comment is wrong | 17:53 |
| bskahan | we're at generation 4 or 5 | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | comment? | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | oh, _comment_ | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | sorry, I misunderstood | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | heh | 17:54 |
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| th1a | ...sorry I'm moving a little slowly today. I'm getting hit with a nasty cold. | 20:15 |
| Aiste | bah | 20:18 |
| Aiste | what is wrong with the world | 20:19 |
| Aiste | everyone seems to be falling ill | 20:19 |
| Aiste | most of the POV is ill at the moment | 20:19 |
| th1a | It is a global malaise, spread via IRC. | 20:19 |
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| bskahan | th1a: there's a breezy goal for a small.biz server solution including shared calendar, would you be adverse to me plugging schoolbell as the solution to the person listed as the lead and finding out what they would need get SB set as the default calendar? | 21:36 |
| th1a | iirc correctly I pinged those people during Ubuntu Down Under, but please go ahead. | 21:37 |
| bskahan | the lead listed for the goal is also listed for the Z3 packaging goal, conveniently | 21:37 |
| * bskahan nods | 21:37 | |
| th1a | I'm not sure what's keeping Mark from throwing someone at remaining Zope 3.1 bugs. | 21:37 |
| th1a | Also, it looks like we'll have a couple of interns courtesy of jelkner working on meeting planning for SchoolBell. | 21:39 |
| bskahan | I wonder what preventing Zope.corp from doing that | 21:39 |
| bskahan | th1a: that rocks | 21:39 |
| th1a | Unless they get more money from Google. | 21:40 |
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| jelkner | thla: Tom you here? | 21:56 |
| th1a | jelkner: Yeah, I just mentioned that it looks like we'll have some of your guys working on SchoolBell. | 21:57 |
| th1a | Unless they get a better offer from Google ;-) | 21:57 |
| jelkner | I was hoping they could get google $ to work on schoolbell | 21:57 |
| th1a | Since Ubuntu is on their list, we might be able to do it that way. | 21:58 |
| jelkner | otherwise, I'll be paying Paul | 21:58 |
| jelkner | but it would be great if google would ;-) | 21:58 |
| jelkner | either way, he'll be working on schoolbell and cando | 21:59 |
| th1a | Well, if this goes well, maybe in the future you can get money from the Shuttleworth Foundation. | 21:59 |
| jelkner | great minds think a like ;-) | 21:59 |
| th1a | Anyhow, what's up? | 21:59 |
| jelkner | is there a default user and password on the schooltool 0.10? | 22:00 |
| th1a | manager/schooltool | 22:00 |
| th1a | Is that not in the README? | 22:00 |
| jelkner | let me look | 22:00 |
| jelkner | i didn't see it | 22:00 |
| jelkner | oops | 22:01 |
| jelkner | it's there | 22:01 |
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| th1a | Good. | 22:01 |
| th1a | I'll be adding stuff to the website today. | 22:01 |
| jelkner | i wanted to ask you a bit about zope 3 | 22:02 |
| th1a | Well, if I can't answer someone else probably can. | 22:02 |
| jelkner | i'm having a hard time selling the idea of using it to our XP user's group | 22:02 |
| jelkner | too much overhead, they claim | 22:02 |
| th1a | Overhead? | 22:02 |
| jelkner | you spend more time writing configuration files than writing code | 22:02 |
| th1a | Well, configuration files are code. | 22:03 |
| jelkner | hmm | 22:03 |
| th1a | You should spend less time writing Python code. | 22:03 |
| th1a | You should be able to REUSE more Python code. | 22:03 |
| bskahan | jelkner: I promise that's not true, its seems to appear that way at first though | 22:03 |
| jelkner | bskahan: that's what I had hoped | 22:04 |
| bskahan | I have some problems with ZCML, but that isn't one of them | 22:04 |
| jelkner | Paul is great, and he seems to be digging zope 3 already | 22:04 |
| jelkner | if he gets it, the others will come along too | 22:04 |
| jelkner | eventually, there will be tools available to make this ZCML stuff easier, yes? | 22:05 |
| bskahan | probably, there are several projects that have been started | 22:05 |
| th1a | There was a lot of discussion of that on the Zope3-dev list yesterday, in fact. | 22:05 |
| bskahan | there was some discussion and mockups on the Z3-dev list this week | 22:05 |
| jelkner | great | 22:07 |
| th1a | I think you have to make sure people understand the advantages of using ZCML. | 22:07 |
| * bskahan is trying to think of a good example in schooltool | 22:07 | |
| th1a | It allows you to integrate regular Python packages without forking them. | 22:07 |
| th1a | It allows you to integrate other Zope 3 packages (like a zwiki for example) into another context without forking them. | 22:08 |
| jelkner | i've been telling folks i was sure tools were on the way, so it's good to hear they really are ;-) | 22:08 |
| bskahan | jelkner: take a look at schoolbell.app.app.person & schooltool.app.person | 22:08 |
| bskahan | s/person/Person/ | 22:08 |
| bskahan | nm, that's not as simple of an example | 22:09 |
| bskahan | if I think of a good one I'll let you know | 22:10 |
| jelkner | bskahan: no problem, bells ringing and i've gotta go... | 22:10 |
| bskahan | take it easy | 22:10 |
| jelkner | i'll be back tomorrow. | 22:10 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 22:10 |
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