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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Add estonian to the list of downloaded schoolbell translations. | 00:08 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: add greek, dutch, norewgian, portugese and turkish to the list of downloaded schooltool translations. | 00:14 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Tag schooltool as 0.10pre1 for the moment. | 00:17 |
| jinty | th1a: ayt? | 00:21 |
| th1a | yes | 00:22 |
| jinty | would you mind to do a get-rosetta-translations + commit on schooltool? | 00:22 |
| th1a | Do you need it right now? Is later tonight ok? | 00:23 |
| jinty | I can also do it the evil way | 00:23 |
| jinty | then it's not needed | 00:24 |
| th1a | If by "evil" you mean technically incorrect in a way that only you understands or cares about. | 00:24 |
| jinty | basically, yes. | 00:25 |
| th1a | That wasn't actually a sentence, but I'm not sure how to end it. | 00:25 |
| th1a | Anyhow, nobody but you recognizes it as an issue, and it is purely a technicality. | 00:25 |
| th1a | So I'd encourage you do just do it. | 00:25 |
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| * jinty thinks nobody will notice anyway | 00:27 | |
| th1a | I agree. | 00:27 |
| th1a | The prospect of a volunteer translator objecting to the inclusion of their translation in our repository seems highly unlikely. | 00:28 |
| jinty | I was more talking about including the translations in the tarball without committing them. Evil because you should be able to reproduce your tarball from the repository at any time. | 00:29 |
| th1a | Oh, that kind of evi. | 00:30 |
| th1a | evil. | 00:30 |
| th1a | I defer to your judgement. | 00:30 |
| th1a | I can commit them if you want. | 00:30 |
| * jinty shrugs | 00:32 | |
| jinty | as you want | 00:32 |
| th1a | We're not being very decisive. Actually, I just put aside what I was working on. I can do it now. | 00:33 |
| jinty | ok thanks, and sorry for breaking your concentration | 00:34 |
| th1a | Well, since you made me concentrate on my actual job, I can't really complain. | 00:35 |
| * jinty kicked his antenna out of a 4 story high window now and has to connect using a far inferior one | 00:35 | |
| th1a | Connect to what? | 00:35 |
| th1a | Wifi? | 00:35 |
| jinty | the internet | 00:35 |
| jinty | yeah basically | 00:36 |
| jinty | just the probelm is that the connection is patchy, so a full Zope download takes a loooong time | 00:36 |
| th1a | ;-) | 00:37 |
| th1a | Oh, I'm spacing out on how to do this. I need to have a current schoolbell and run the script to fetch the translations and then commit? | 00:39 |
| th1a | Am I only fetching some of them? | 00:39 |
| th1a | jinty? | 00:43 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Updating translations from Rosetta. | 00:49 |
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| jinty | th1a: i meant the schooltool translations, not schoolbell. but never mind, I'm being evil... | 01:12 |
| th1a | ah. | 01:18 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Include Zope, schoolbell and the tests in the schooltool tarball. | 02:44 |
| povbot` | /svn/commits: (Maybe I am crazy, but I have committed this before) | 02:44 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: include *.po files in the schooltool tarball and install them | 02:52 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: refactoring some methods based on Marius' comments | 17:46 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Renamed csvimport.pt to timetables-csvimport.pt. | 18:19 |
| bskahan | gintas: should it be timetable-csvimport.pt or timetable_csvimort.pt | 18:20 |
| bskahan | I was going to rename the other csvimport page templates because it seems like we're using _ instead of - everywhere else | 18:21 |
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| povbot` | /svn/commits: Don't edit me please. | 18:22 |
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| bskahan | th1a: ayt | 19:50 |
| th1a | Yes. | 19:50 |
| bskahan | did you here back from james about server login info? | 19:50 |
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| th1a | 'fraid not. | 19:51 |
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| bskahan | th1a: want to call nokia and see if they'll send a developer linux tablet to go along with the n-gages? | 20:37 |
| bskahan | I volunteer to work on it ;) | 20:37 |
| th1a | I don't know if it runs Python. | 20:38 |
| bskahan | its linux | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | it runs linux, therefore it runs python | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | I hope | 20:38 |
| th1a | I guess that follows. | 20:38 |
| th1a | Yeah, it isn't running GNOME on Symbian or something like that. | 20:38 |
| th1a | And you connect it to your phone to get on the net? | 20:39 |
| th1a | It isn't a phone itself? | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | it's not a phone | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | it has WiFi and Bluetooth | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | I'd say it's a PDA | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | except it is not marketed as such | 20:39 |
| mgedmin | the focus is on web browsing, not entering your contacts/appointments/etc | 20:40 |
| th1a | It seems like before long they'll be able to just make the tablet the display and put all the processing on the phone. | 20:40 |
| th1a | Although that may not make sense economically. | 20:41 |
| th1a | Depends on if you want to make the phone more expensive and the tablet cheaper, which I suppose you don't. | 20:41 |
| th1a | I'd prefer if it was bigger. | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | I'd like it to be smaller ;-) | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | 19 mm is too thick | 20:42 |
| tvon | I'm with mgedmin | 20:42 |
| th1a | I'm still waiting for the revival of the Newton form factor. | 20:42 |
| * mgedmin thinks Palm V had the ideal form factor | 20:42 | |
| bskahan | I have a zaurus and that's way too big | 20:42 |
| bskahan | palm zire is decent, but useless | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | a pda has to fit in my shirt pocket and not pull it down too heavily | 20:43 |
| * bskahan agrees | 20:43 | |
| bskahan | bbiab | 20:44 |
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| * th1a rarely leaves the house, so portable means I can carry it to my easy chair. | 20:48 | |
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| tvon | Is there a rest client in the foreseeable future? paid or a known hobby of someone? | 21:00 |
| th1a | tvon: Don't think about that too hard or you may decide we don't need it. | 21:04 |
| tvon | heh | 21:05 |
| tvon | it would be great for xmlhttp/ajax/alfax/whatever but not having it when not running standalone pretty much kills that | 21:06 |
| * tvon shrugs | 21:06 | |
| th1a | I guess that's an argument for turning it on by default. | 21:07 |
| th1a | It is only off because there was no reason to have it on. | 21:07 |
| th1a | If we can use it for Ajax, we can turn it on. | 21:08 |
| th1a | It is no more or less secure than the HTML interface anyhow. | 21:08 |
| tvon | true | 21:14 |
| th1a | So... feel free to use it in the future. | 21:15 |
| th1a | If leaving it off by default means you can't develop for it, then we really should can it. | 21:15 |
| tvon | it's not so much that it's off by default as the zope3 situation | 21:18 |
| th1a | ? | 21:18 |
| tvon | do I misunderstand or is it unvailable when st is running in zope3 and not stand-alone? | 21:18 |
| tvon | am I completely on crack? | 21:19 |
| * tvon pokes through old email | 21:19 | |
| th1a | Well, I don't know that anyone has checked to see if SchoolBell 1.1 works at all as an add-on package. | 21:19 |
| tvon | oh | 21:19 |
| tvon | I do most development in the z3 instance, but I moved to the stand-alone a few weeks ago | 21:20 |
| th1a | Hopefully the whole issue would come down to a matter of zcml-fu. | 21:20 |
| tvon | I'll have to look into it, if rest can be enabled on z3 without too much insanity then I'd be much more inclied to look at ajaxing things | 21:21 |
| tvon | just a lil | 21:21 |
| th1a | Well, we have to assume that the REST interface is integral to SchoolTool. | 21:22 |
| th1a | If you can't do REST without running standalone, then you can only run standalone. | 21:23 |
| th1a | If REST isn't integral, then we're wasting our time, and, in fact, much of the architectural design of SchoolTool is superfluous. | 21:24 |
| ignas | no, we are not wasting time ... rest is to make job of fellow programmers easire, yet imho schooltool should be 100% usable without rest ... | 21:26 |
| ignas | or at least without javascript | 21:26 |
| th1a | Yeah, but would you create an application that used SchoolTool's REST interface if only half of the SchoolTool instances in production could use the REST interface? | 21:27 |
| tvon | I agree it should be usable without it | 21:27 |
| th1a | Well, regardless, in a related point, we probably need to trade off interface subtlety for development speed in the next year anyhow, so a lot of trickery is probably off the table anyhow. | 21:29 |
| ignas | th1a, well yes, i think most of the scripts that use REST interface will be one shot import/export scripts written by the ones deploying ST/SB | 21:30 |
| mgedmin | our functional tests test the schoolbell-living-inside-z3 case | 21:30 |
| th1a | mgedmin: Do they use REST as well? | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | yes, however they are not 100% functional, as in, they do not actually start a z3 server in a standalone process | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | to hook up the restive interface into zope3 you'd need to add a <server> section to zope.conf | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | with a certain port and a certain server type | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | I think we already have the server type defined in the code, I'm not sure if we have registered in zcml as a named utility | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | (which is needed if you want to enable that server type in zope.conf) | 21:32 |
| th1a | At some point we'll need to document how to set it up. | 21:32 |
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