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| tvon | Hey kids | 18:00 |
| tvon | How is everyone on this bright, sunny Monday morning? | 18:00 |
| * mgedmin strikes the virtual gavel | 18:00 | |
| mgedmin | meeting time | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | good evening everyone ;) | 18:00 |
| alga | agenda? | 18:00 |
| tvon | heh | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | 1. what are the remaining issues with SB 1.0 | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | 2. who is going to make the announcements and where | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | anything else? | 18:01 |
| alga | issues for 1.1? | 18:01 |
| alga | I liked the list of issues for the 1.0 release | 18:02 |
| alga | keeps you focused | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | alga: do you mean goals? | 18:02 |
| alga | bugs in the bugtracker | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | ah | 18:02 |
| alga | tagged for the release | 18:02 |
| tvon | bskahan will be here in a minute, btw | 18:03 |
| tvon | no need to wait though | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | pity that our release manage isn't here | 18:03 |
| tvon | busy boy | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | ok, lets start with 1: remaining issues with SB 1.0 | 18:04 |
| tvon | There is 1 unresolved bug in the tracker | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | there's only one open issue tagged SB 1.0 in the tracker: issue 194 | 18:04 |
| alga | yes | 18:04 |
| alga | I'll fix it before end of today | 18:04 |
| alga | local time ;) | 18:04 |
| tvon | Then we're looking pretty good... anything to discuss that is not in the tracker? | 18:05 |
| alga | should someone review the bugs again to see if there are other things that need to be fixed before 1.0? | 18:05 |
| ignas | 201, 202 ? | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | I just looked through them | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | how does the current release branch look with Internet Explorer? | 18:07 |
| ignas | and 199 is important | 18:07 |
| alga | 199 won't be fixed | 18:07 |
| alga | it's more of a lacking feature than a bug | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | 186 is a wart | 18:08 |
| tvon | mgedmin: not good I believe | 18:08 |
| tvon | I'm assuming none of us have an actual Windows boot handy? | 18:08 |
| tvon | I'll look at the IE issues right now | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | weeeell... technically... I suppose 75% of us have an unused windows partition on a laptop | 18:09 |
| tvon | heh | 18:09 |
| tvon | I have CrossOver setup here, I just don't entirely trust it | 18:10 |
| tvon | so it's not a big deal, I just wanted to be sure the issues was really an issue | 18:10 |
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| bskahan | hi all, sorry for being late | 18:10 |
| tvon | bskahan: we are discussing remaining issues for 1.0 | 18:11 |
| * bskahan is catching up with logs | 18:11 | |
| * tvon is screenshooting the ie bug | 18:12 | |
| ignas | tvon, real ie or cross ie ? | 18:12 |
| tvon | ignas: cross ie, I want someone with a real ie to confirm it | 18:12 |
| bskahan | I've seen no evidence of crossover specific rendering bugs | 18:13 |
| alga | bskahan: one example is the DirectX based PNG fix | 18:13 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 18:14 | |
| mgedmin | I'm not good at this | 18:14 |
| tvon | I think it would be css related, and I suspect it is the same as native IE but issue 202 is not quite what I'd expect if someone ran across this | 18:14 |
| gintas | I can boot into Windows if you wish | 18:14 |
| gintas | it would just take a few minutes | 18:14 |
| tvon | gintas: if you don't mind... I'll put up a screenie of what I'm seeing | 18:15 |
| gintas | ok | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | does anyone know anything about issue 198? | 18:19 |
| tvon | http://issues.schooltool.org/file24/ie-bug.png | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | I vote for fixing this | 18:20 |
| tvon | mgedmin: I noticed it too and am somewhat baffled as to what could be causing it | 18:20 |
| bskahan | tvon: does that happen on trunk? | 18:20 |
| bskahan | the IE bug | 18:21 |
| tvon | bskahan: yes | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | I'd suspect clear: left or clear: both, but I couldn't find anything like that | 18:21 |
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| tvon | gintas: see my link? | 18:22 |
| gintas | which one? | 18:22 |
| tvon | http://issues.schooltool.org/file24/ie-bug.png | 18:22 |
| tvon | screenie | 18:22 |
| tvon | well, it's two screenies pasted together... initial view and 1 pg-down | 18:23 |
| alga | reproduced on windows | 18:23 |
| tvon | bskahan: do you remember that site that took various browser screenshots of a page? | 18:23 |
| tvon | alga: thanks' | 18:23 |
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| bskahan | tvon: no | 18:24 |
| gintas | tvon: I see the same problem | 18:24 |
| * jinty hates ndiswrapper | 18:24 | |
| tvon | gintas: k, thanks for rebooting | 18:24 |
| * jinty is reading logs | 18:25 | |
| mgedmin | found the problem | 18:25 |
| * tvon is curious | 18:25 | |
| mgedmin | <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 100%"> | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | if I remove style="width: 100%", the bug disappears | 18:26 |
| tvon | gah | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | but navigation is squashed | 18:26 |
| tvon | stupid IE | 18:26 |
| bskahan | can go back to width="100%" | 18:26 |
| bskahan | its not valid but it works across browsers | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | style="width: 99%" works, though ;) | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | width="100%" gives the same result as style="width: 100%" | 18:27 |
| tvon | ah, nice | 18:27 |
| bskahan | lovely | 18:27 |
| tvon | mgedmin: wanna stick it in the css? | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | I vote for a temporary workaround: 99% | 18:27 |
| * tvon seconds | 18:27 | |
| mgedmin | is there an issue opened for this bug? | 18:28 |
| tvon | I think it might be 202 | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | oh, 202 | 18:28 |
| tvon | 202 is pretty nondescript | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | right | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | gintas found another bug | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | javascript error in event adding form | 18:29 |
| tvon | ie specific? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | well, I didn't notice mozilla complaining | 18:30 |
| gintas | line 30, symbol 9 | 18:30 |
| gintas | form = document.getElementById('form'); ?? | 18:31 |
| ignas | gintas, the workaround is done by me ... | 18:31 |
| ignas | it is because zope3 widgets are buggy | 18:31 |
| ignas | and the field has no id - only name | 18:31 |
| ignas | so the only way to get it is through the form | 18:31 |
| ignas | yet it is weird IE hiccups on this ... | 18:32 |
| * tvon trails the firefox 3-click bug | 18:33 | |
| tvon | it is indeeed css | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | the bug is 'newname = someexpression' | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | the fix is 'var newname = someexpression' | 18:34 |
| jinty | what about 197? | 18:34 |
| ignas | tvon, can you elaborate on that ? | 18:34 |
| tvon | ignas: committing it... its the select:focus rule in css | 18:35 |
| tvon | ignas: for 198 | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | jinty, welcome! | 18:36 |
| tvon | someone double-check 198 for me please | 18:36 |
| jinty | hey mgedmin, sorry im so late! | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | woohoo, 198! | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | svnupping now | 18:37 |
| * jinty is marking 197, 198 for possible inclusion in 1.0 | 18:38 | |
| * mgedmin just did so with 198 | 18:39 | |
| bskahan | 198 looks fixed here | 18:39 |
| * mgedmin nods | 18:39 | |
| gintas | jinty, have you tried SB with Python 2.4? | 18:39 |
| ignas | the hors in daily view are not hjighlighted in any way, yet are clickable - it is kind of wird when such a big area is clickable if you do not understand that it is divided into the parts ... | 18:39 |
| bskahan | ignas: agreed | 18:40 |
| * tvon thinks he was supposed to CSS it at some point | 18:40 | |
| tvon | I'll check it out now | 18:40 |
| * mgedmin suggests :hover | 18:40 | |
| bskahan | that's not in 1.0, but its on the 1.1 list | 18:40 |
| bskahan | :hover is a pain, since IE doesn't support hover on anything but a tags | 18:41 |
| tvon | true | 18:41 |
| tvon | have to use javascript | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | ahh | 18:41 |
| tvon | we're already doing it for the event:hover | 18:41 |
| bskahan | some onhover magic | 18:41 |
| bskahan | that click uses onclick anyway | 18:41 |
| jinty | gintas: yep, in a chroot with only the package dependencies(patched to 2.4) installed and from an unpacked tarball. ftests and tests pass | 18:41 |
| * bskahan notes 197 is still broken in trunk with the duration selection | 18:42 | |
| mgedmin | ok, any issues tagged SchoolBell but not SchoolBell 1.0 that we should try to promote? | 18:44 |
| tvon | bskahan: does it convert it to minutes or just show the X hours as X minutes? | 18:45 |
| * jinty thinks the current issues are the important ones. | 18:45 | |
| jinty | and the rest warts | 18:45 |
| tvon | mgedmin: for 197 did you mean that "2 hours" turns into "120 minutes" or "2 minutes"? | 18:45 |
| bskahan | tvon: put 2 in the field, choose "Hours" in the select, hit enter, the select reverts to minutes, the 2 remains | 18:46 |
| jinty | except perhaos 201 | 18:46 |
| tvon | ah, was submitting it | 18:46 |
| tvon | ah, should <return> on that form be calling update when there is no recurrence? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | ideally, no | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | do you know how to achieve that? | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | maybe set display: hidden on the button as well as its div? | 18:48 |
| tvon | I don't think css can do it | 18:48 |
| ignas | well why ? | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | javascript | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | it is javascript that hides the 'update' button and recurrence fields | 18:49 |
| ignas | i think one can display: hidden an additional submit button just before the updat button ... | 18:49 |
| tvon | ignas: css? it just hides it in the UI, it doesnt change whats in the page | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | I was hoping that maybe browsers will skip invisible submit buttons | 18:49 |
| ignas | mgedmin, i don't think so | 18:49 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 18:49 | |
| ignas | so why not adda nother submit button ? | 18:49 |
| tvon | found some javascript for it | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | ok, we have 10 minutes left | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | let's wrap up with the first item on the agenda | 18:50 |
| ignas | hidden too but leading to "update record" not "update form" | 18:50 |
| bskahan | thoughts on upgrading 201? | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I think it would be a good idea to merge the fixes, even if they are incomplete | 18:50 |
| tvon | at the moment I think 201 would need to be reverted to the ugly behavior to be functional in Safari | 18:51 |
| tvon | not that nobody should try :) | 18:51 |
| bskahan | ouch | 18:51 |
| * jinty screams as 3302 conflicts | 18:51 | |
| alga | jinty: use svn blame -r 3302 on the conflicting file | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | im-possible! | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | it is a trivial fix: change 100% to 99% | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | how does that line look in the release branch? | 18:53 |
| jinty | <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> | 18:53 |
| * tvon wishes gnome menus were easily editable | 18:53 | |
| bskahan | blame points at me | 18:54 |
| bskahan | from validation cleanups | 18:54 |
| bskahan | should have moved it to CSS | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | jinty, just s/100/99/ and all will be fine | 18:54 |
| jinty | ok, custom backport in progress | 18:54 |
| bskahan | hrm | 18:55 |
| bskahan | does that bug even occur in the release branch? | 18:55 |
| jinty | otherwise, I will backport what I can now, then again tomorrow morning. Then release, ignoring any outstanding issues. | 18:55 |
| bskahan | not that the valid fix shouldn't be applied anyway | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | bskahan, I think so | 18:56 |
| bskahan | odd | 18:56 |
| tvon | I'll see what I can do about 201.. unless someone knows of a more important bug to hack on | 18:56 |
| bskahan | table width="100" is rottenly common | 18:56 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 18:56 | |
| * tvon makes a note to kill the table for 2.1 if possible | 18:57 | |
| jinty | ah, almost forgot, Zope 3 | 18:57 |
| bskahan | are we going to track trunk again after the release? | 18:58 |
| jinty | I see no reason to keep the schoolbell branch pinned after release | 18:58 |
| jinty | so, i say yes | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | jinty, backport 3305 -- it fixes a test failure on windows, and the fix is trivial. | 18:58 |
| jinty | s/branch/trunk/ | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | actually, wait a moment until gintas verifies the fix | 18:58 |
| jinty | hehe | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | +1 for tracking zope 3 trunk again | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | (until 3.1 is released) | 18:59 |
| jinty | schooltool is a different story. I would prefer to keep that pinned until it is sure how the next schooltool will be released | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 19:00 |
| bskahan | can we up the pin for ST a few revisions? | 19:00 |
| bskahan | 29360, from 57, specifically | 19:01 |
| gintas | fix in 3305 confirmed | 19:01 |
| * mgedmin not sure | 19:01 | |
| mgedmin | we will have to port all schooltool views to zope 3 | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | why not use the trunk? | 19:01 |
| jinty | only the schoolbell tarball contains zope | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | ok, agenda item #2: announcements | 19:02 |
| jinty | so, unless the next schoolbell is released with the next schooltool, schooltool has to be pinned | 19:02 |
| * mgedmin murmurs he would feel better announcing sb if we called it version 0.10, not 1.0 | 19:03 | |
| bskahan | I'd like the next sb release to coincide with the next ST release | 19:03 |
| bskahan | but that's a question for TH | 19:04 |
| * mgedmin nods | 19:04 | |
| jinty | mgedmin, you can quote this: http://www.schooltool.org/schoolbell/meaning | 19:04 |
| jinty | until that is sure, it is a very bad idea to release the schooltool pin | 19:05 |
| bskahan | release announces: zope.org, python-announce | 19:05 |
| jinty | i.e. SB + ST co-release | 19:05 |
| tvon | we won't have TZ support until the pin is at least moved... FYI | 19:05 |
| * bskahan nods | 19:05 | |
| * jinty is thinking of sending the first two paragraphs of RELEASE as a release announcement. | 19:06 | |
| mgedmin | jinty, when is the actual release happening? | 19:07 |
| jinty | tomorrow, I will tag and up-load the tarballs. unless there is an act of god | 19:07 |
| alga | yippee | 19:08 |
| jinty | places to announce: Python package index, LWN, freshmeat.net, zope lists(which?), python lists (which?), schooltool-announce/schooltool | 19:09 |
| tvon | anyone know of a khtml browser that doesnt suck in half of kde? | 19:09 |
| bskahan | tvon: safari | 19:10 |
| * tvon apt-cache searches safari | 19:10 | |
| tvon | is there a zope announce list? | 19:10 |
| tvon | zope.org | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | I think zope3-users is the right place | 19:10 |
| gintas | I have found quite a few issues related to IE | 19:10 |
| tvon | python-announce | 19:10 |
| gintas | 1. Breadcrumbs row not tall enough (bottom of "top", "persons", "manager" is stripped) | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | gintas, issue tracker, please | 19:10 |
| gintas | 2. Event description field in event information view is too large | 19:10 |
| gintas | 3. Spacing in navigation & actions menu is too large | 19:11 |
| gintas | 4. Event delete icon (the small X) shows up as a white rectangle | 19:11 |
| gintas | 5. "Previous" and "next" arrows in calendar views are not transparent | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | re 4: all transparent .png files should be converted to 8-bit | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | back to announcements | 19:11 |
| gintas | you meant re 5? | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | how about we send an email to zope3-users, and you guys do the rest? :-) | 19:11 |
| gintas | in fact I'm not sure what's the problem with 4 | 19:11 |
| jinty | mgedmin, but developers might be interested in the calendaring libs. | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | zope3-dev is the list for people who develop zope3 itself | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | zope3-users is the list for people who develop apps on top of zope3 | 19:12 |
| jinty | ah | 19:12 |
| * jinty thinks there is a reason why mgedmin is sending this mail | 19:13 | |
| mgedmin | I somehow managed to sleep through the creation of the -users list, and only discovered it recently, after reading some mails in my huge backlog | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | ok, I suggest we wrap up this meeting | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 19:14 |
| tvon | okay | 19:14 |
| bskahan | ok, the first release announce will come from jinty to the ST list so everyone knows when the release is out the door? | 19:14 |
| jinty | yep | 19:14 |
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| tvon | we can send that on to python-announce and our local ZUG :) | 19:15 |
| tvon | we'll do FM too if so desired | 19:15 |
| jinty | FM? | 19:15 |
| tvon | freshmeat | 19:15 |
| * mgedmin thought radio | 19:15 | |
| * bskahan goes to fire up the HAM | 19:15 | |
| jinty | tom already has an account there, you will have to speak to him | 19:16 |
| bskahan | radio free zope | 19:16 |
| jinty | s/tom/tom.hoffman/ | 19:16 |
| * tvon nods | 19:16 | |
| tvon | we'll wait for him for FM | 19:16 |
| * jinty notes that the latest version of schoolbell on FM is 0.8 | 19:17 | |
| * jinty thinking the meeting is over, starts to back-port stuff | 19:19 | |
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| gintas | jinty, there are quite a few things | 19:39 |
| gintas | SB looks ugly on IE in many places | 19:40 |
| jinty | ok, but sorry, I can't wait for the release (time-based) | 19:41 |
| jinty | I will back port all outstanding small patches just before release though | 19:42 |
| jinty | prehaps it is better if mgedmin reviews before i back port though. | 19:42 |
| * mgedmin did not sleep last night... an interesting book | 19:43 | |
| jinty | :) which one? will you sleep tonight? release is tomorrow | 19:43 |
| gintas | most of the patches are trivial | 19:46 |
| jinty | so was 3292 | 19:47 |
| * jinty is willing to wait for the afternoon/night tomorrow if it helps | 19:48 | |
| jinty | thanks all! till next week and goodnight. | 19:51 |
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| tvon | mgedmin: you know english gooder than me | 19:52 |
| * tvon just took the commonly confused words test | 19:52 | |
| tvon | I had a handicap though, I went to school here | 19:52 |
| tvon | :) | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | jinty, where are you!!! | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | ok, I'm crashing | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | I'll look at checkins tomorrow in the morning | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | see you | 20:18 |
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| tvon | nice, view source in konq is opening OOo | 20:36 |
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