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| Sickblia | adapters don't buldge | 01:38 |
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| * mgedmin hears the sound of adapters snickering in the corner | 01:40 | |
| bskahan | they've been laughing at me all week | 01:44 |
| bskahan | ;) | 01:44 |
| bskahan | PersonEditView in browser has zope.View permission in zcml | 02:10 |
| bskahan | is that correct? | 02:10 |
| mgedmin | afaiu int the ideal zope3 world all views are zope.public and permissions are set on content objectd | 02:12 |
| bskahan | ok | 02:12 |
| mgedmin | however view permissions also influence which menu items are shown and which are hidden | 02:12 |
| mgedmin | so I think the edit view should be registered with the schoolbell.edit permission | 02:13 |
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| bskahan | is there an initial user for the z3schoolbell.py server? | 02:24 |
| bskahan | (gandalf and mgr don't seem to work) | 02:26 |
| Sickblia | manager:schoolbell ? | 02:27 |
| * mgedmin nods | 02:28 | |
| mgedmin | bskahan, don't use z3schoolbell.py | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | use schoolbell-server.py | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | z3schoolbell was a hacky feasibility study | 02:29 |
| bskahan | ok, been using a zope instance | 02:29 |
| bskahan | primarily | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | I should remove it, but it contains a hack (resetdb.html) that might come in handy later | 02:29 |
| mgedmin | if we want to run functional tests over http with a real server | 02:30 |
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| jinty | th1a hey! | 08:36 |
| th1a | Hey. Sorry I've been out of touch. | 08:36 |
| th1a | I could only get online on my mother in law's computer. | 08:36 |
| th1a | How are things? I haven't caught up on email yet. | 08:37 |
| th1a | I mean, the last day's email. | 08:37 |
| jinty | I think they are going well | 08:37 |
| jinty | I can imagine, when I think of mine | 08:38 |
| jinty | how was the vacation? | 08:38 |
| * jinty thinks some forced offline time can be good | 08:39 | |
| th1a | It wasn't a vacation as such. | 08:39 |
| th1a | I spent much of the time writing a proposal for a conference in July. | 08:39 |
| th1a | Which mark emailed me about on Thursday. The deadline is Monday. | 08:40 |
| jinty | am I still connected? | 08:41 |
| th1a | Yes. | 08:41 |
| * jinty kicks his IRC connection | 08:41 | |
| th1a | I'm watching 28 Days Later. | 08:41 |
| bskahan | seen it before? | 08:41 |
| * bskahan is a big fan | 08:41 | |
| th1a | No. Now that I've been to London I can recognize the locations. | 08:42 |
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| th1a | I don't think he should go looking for cheeseburgers alone... | 08:43 |
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| bskahan | heh | 08:43 |
| * jinty hates his IRC connection | 08:43 | |
| jinty | almost as much as plone | 08:44 |
| th1a | I spent some time re-reading the reports the foundation comissioned on the original Java version of SchoolTool. | 08:46 |
| bskahan | I had forgotten there was a java version | 08:47 |
| th1a | There are copies of the reports lingering in the Google cache. | 08:47 |
| jinty | still! anything interesting in them? | 08:48 |
| th1a | Well, judging by the code review, they could have benefited from mgedmin's proof reading. | 08:49 |
| jinty | yes, recently he graced me with some of that. And to think english is my mother tongue | 08:50 |
| jinty | helped a lot | 08:51 |
| th1a | :-) I was referring to his code proof reading, but his English proof reading is pretty good too. | 08:51 |
| th1a | The crux of the report: The current SchoolTool software architecture is over-engineered for SchoolTool’s requirements. In order to produce such a complex architecture while developing within an open source framework a number of immature and potentially unreliable products were used. As a result, development speed has been hampered, application execution speed is slow and systems, once installed will require a high level of te | 08:53 |
| jinty | ouch! | 08:53 |
| th1a | Someone wrote some kind of Java code generation system called Xode, and then left. Nobody else knew how it worked. | 08:54 |
| jinty | By these metrics, how are we doing? | 08:58 |
| jinty | a number -> no | 08:58 |
| jinty | immature -> Zope3 (a little) | 08:59 |
| jinty | potentially unstable -> no | 08:59 |
| th1a | I think we're in much better shape now that we're on Zope 3, but the delays from using immature technologies are similar. | 08:59 |
| th1a | Our code is better. | 08:59 |
| th1a | They had a lot of problems with JBoss, apparently. | 09:00 |
| bskahan | did the java system move beyond the platform to any applications? | 09:00 |
| th1a | That's not clear. | 09:00 |
| th1a | Kinda doesn't seem like it. | 09:01 |
| th1a | One problem was they started designing it as an ASP application, then decided that it needed to be able to run in individual schools. | 09:01 |
| th1a | That's part of the "over-engineering" problem. | 09:02 |
| * jinty was not convinced about SchoolBell at first | 09:07 | |
| jinty | but now I really like the idea of releasing part of the eventual functionality as a separate application | 09:07 |
| jinty | put it in the real world to show what it can do. | 09:08 |
| th1a | It seems to be working out. | 09:08 |
| th1a | It would have been cool if we had actually started that way... | 09:08 |
| jinty | perhaps we can continue. | 09:09 |
| th1a | We're in the right spot now. | 09:11 |
| * jinty has decided to go over to debconf | 09:12 | |
| th1a | In Finland? | 09:12 |
| jinty | yep | 09:12 |
| th1a | I like Finland. | 09:12 |
| jinty | Got some good firends over there | 09:13 |
| jinty | Hve you been? | 09:13 |
| th1a | I had a great time in Helsinki two years ago. | 09:14 |
| jinty | If it was in the summer then I was there as well | 09:16 |
| th1a | In August. | 09:16 |
| jinty | Then I was 2 months before you. | 09:17 |
| bskahan | after reading the economist world factbook on finland I concluded its the best country to be a citizen of | 09:18 |
| th1a | That's why I wanted to visit. | 09:18 |
| jinty | you seen the alcohoism stats? | 09:19 |
| bskahan | no, high? | 09:19 |
| jinty | Lived with a finn from way up north one who drank a bottle of vodka before going out. | 09:20 |
| bskahan | heh | 09:20 |
| jinty | Huge man, only did it because otherwise it was too expensive. | 09:21 |
| th1a | And they all lived happily ever after. | 09:40 |
| th1a | Good night. | 09:41 |
| jinty | morning | 09:47 |
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