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| mgedmin | I wonder if GroupDAV has any relevance for SchoolBell (http://www.groupdav.org/draft-hess-groupdav-01.txt) | 11:16 |
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| mgedmin | it is a WebDAV based standard for exchanging groupware data | 11:17 |
| mgedmin | apparently Ximian Evolution, OpenGroupware and KDE support it | 11:17 |
| mgedmin | it has calendar events among other entities (represented as iCalendar VEVENT components) | 11:18 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if it has any relation to CalDAV | 11:18 |
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| mgedmin | "If you are interested in the calendaring space, you should keep an eye on what's happening with CalConnect (of which OSAF is a member)." --> http://www.sauria.com/blog/2005/01/13#1187 | 14:30 |
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| jinty | hoi, anyone here can let me know what are the plans of splitting up schoolbell/schooltool/calendering | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | were you here when I described my vision of schoolbell/schooltool split? | 16:53 |
| jinty | I saw the mail to the list, but not in IRC | 16:54 |
| th1a_ | Which day was that? | 16:54 |
| jinty | can you point me to a log? | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | http://source.schooltool.org/irclogs/%23schooltool.2005-01-11.log.html#t2005-01-11T22:16:16 | 16:54 |
| jinty | ok, i'll be back soon | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | <mgedmin> I still need to think about the difference between "schoolbell as an application" and "schoolbell as a collection of libraries for calendaring" | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | idea: packages inside schoolbell.app comprise the application | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | other packages in schoolbell are reusable components | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | like in Zope 3 you have zope.app and zope.(reusablething) | 16:57 |
| jinty | what do you mean when you talk about "top level package" | 17:00 |
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| mgedmin | a package that is placed into PYTHONPATH | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | 'zope' is a top-level package, 'zope.component' is not | 17:05 |
| jinty | point: For every "component" that requires a different release schedule, I need a separate source package (in the debian sense). i.e a separate debian directory | 17:05 |
| jinty | I would rather manage these in the repository, but can do it outside | 17:06 |
| jinty | perhaps we can think of the mapping between your "top level package" and my debian binary/source packages | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | I think we will only have two separately-releasable "things": schooltool and schoolbell | 17:12 |
| jinty | and the libraries | 17:12 |
| jinty | ? | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | we might want to split them into two binary packages: schoolbell (application) and python2.x-schoolbell (libraries) | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | I do not think we will ever want to release libraries without releasing the application at the same time | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | but we will want to release schooltool and schoolbell independently | 17:13 |
| * mgedmin thinks | 17:13 | |
| jinty | what about outside users | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | I am thinking, what if we want to release a new schooltool that uses a new feature in libschoolbell? | 17:14 |
| jinty | Then a new release of schoolbell would be forced, i.e schooltool is an outside user | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | I do not think that is a problem | 17:14 |
| jinty | No, I don't either. | 17:15 |
| jinty | just I see 2 obvious choices, 2 source packages or 3 | 17:16 |
| jinty | where the third is a collection of libraries split up into separate binary packages | 17:16 |
| jinty | but the choice of 2 does not preclude a later move to 3. | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | 2 source packages sound right to me | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | perhaps later we will want to split icalendar parser/generator into a separate package that does not depend on zope | 17:18 |
| jinty | That could be done on the binary package level. | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | oh, right | 17:19 |
| jinty | Creating new binary packages is easy in debian. The source ones require human intervention. | 17:19 |
| jinty | i.e. ftp masters | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | unless we want to fix a bug in icalendar and release it without releasing schoolbell | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | but, again, it's not a big problem | 17:20 |
| jinty | A buxfix release of schoolbell. minimal patch. | 17:20 |
| jinty | Are we agreed, 2 source packages? | 17:22 |
| jinty | because if so, then im missing space in the repository to put my second debian source directory. | 17:25 |
| jinty | th1a: Any word from Jeff Waugh yet about breaking the ubuntu freeze? | 17:27 |
| th1a | No. | 17:27 |
| th1a | Hm. Perhaps I will get his attention more if I forward an email from Mark on the subject... | 17:29 |
| jinty | Ok, then I'll try get a patch to 0.8-2 into ubuntu, getting it to work. | 17:29 |
| jinty | :):):) Yes, i think that would provoke a response | 17:30 |
| jinty | In fact I would wish to be a fly on the wall | 17:30 |
| th1a | Well, since Jeff is in Australia and Mark is in England it would have to be a pretty big wall. | 17:31 |
| jinty | sigh, just in jeffs office/(place of wor) then. | 17:33 |
| th1a | ;) | 17:33 |
| jinty | You could probably include the words, "Don't make baby jesus cry" at the bottom. | 17:34 |
| th1a | What makes baby Jesus cry? Taking his name in vain? | 17:35 |
| jinty | hmm, it's kind of an off the wall joke from the ubuntu conference. | 17:36 |
| jinty | They were said normally when someone was about to do a thing mark wouldn't approve of. | 17:37 |
| th1a | In this case I'd say Mark is asking something someone else to do something they wouldn't normally approve of, so I'm not sure how that works out, theologically. | 17:39 |
| * jinty looks bemused | 17:42 | |
| * jinty is busy whipping up a small patch to mail to an ubuntu developer | 17:54 | |
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| dice | http://www.pimpingame.com/refer.php?ref=45075 | 19:34 |
| dice | go to it | 19:35 |
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| * jinty has the idea of moving the debian directory to a branch after 0.9. Then splitting it into 2 (schooltool-package, schoolbell-package). | 21:42 | |
| bskahan | jinty: I'm not sure I follow that | 21:56 |
| bskahan | I don't know much about debian packaging | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | I once heard that debian maintainers are unhappy with upstream packages that contain a debian directory | 21:58 |
| jinty | depends who you speak to. I wouldn't like it if there was one radically different from what I was putting into debian. Too much confusion. | 22:04 |
| jinty | But I would prefer one under version control, not in my private repo. | 22:04 |
| jinty | bskahan: since there are 2 source packages, I need 2 /debian directories. The alternative is to split schooltool into 2 subversion projects. | 22:06 |
| jinty | or maintain the debian directories outside | 22:07 |
| jinty | unfortunately we still are going to be shipping 2 almost identical tarballs. A waste of mirror space. | 22:08 |
| jinty | hmm - or i could get the tarball makefile targets to make 2 different tarballs.... | 22:09 |
| bskahan | the mirror space waste will probably only be an issue through 1.0 | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | a tarball without /debian inside + two different .diff.gz? | 22:11 |
| bskahan | I'm gussing that we'll get schooltool, schooltool-app1(schoolbell), schooltool-app2, etc after that | 22:12 |
| jinty | mgedmin: the makefile target could export the right debian dir | 22:13 |
| jinty | bskahan: 2 source packages (schoolbell/schooltool) with different release schedules that break up into multiple binary packages (pythonx.x-schoolbell, pythonx.xicalender) | 22:15 |
| jinty | mgedmin: I prefer the .diff.gz to be small and readable. | 22:17 |
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| th1a | I just got back from the dentist. | 22:42 |
| th1a | I'm happy you guys are discussing this. | 22:42 |
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| bskahan | have the branch merge working | 23:12 |
| th1a | Ah. Good. | 23:12 |
| bskahan | getting all the tests to work is taking a while | 23:12 |
| th1a | I'd imagine. | 23:25 |
| th1a | We'll add this to the upcoming contract, retroactively. | 23:25 |
| th1a | We'll work out the rest of the contract on Monday. | 23:26 |
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