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| ---Topic for #schooltool set by Aiste at Mon Oct 18 12:47:26 2004 | 18:38 | |
| th1a | mgedmin: I haven't been able to hit source.schooltool.org for several days. I figured it was an artifact of connecting from my parents' house, but I'm having the same problem back at home now. I seem to be the only one with this problem, though. | 19:27 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 19:27 |
| th1a | I imagine it is some kind of DNS weirdness. | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | I can ping your IP from here | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | source.schooltool.org should resolve to 213.197.143.150 | 19:29 |
| th1a | Hm. Apparently not a DNS problem. | 19:30 |
| th1a | Trying traceroute... | 19:32 |
| th1a | Made it to tallinn... | 19:32 |
| th1a | Weird. Here's the last part of the traceroute: | 19:33 |
| th1a | 12 so-11-0.hsa2.stockholm1.level3.net (213.242.68.206) 154.553 ms so-10-0.hsa2.stockholm1.level3.net (213.242.68.202) 121.815 ms so-11-0.hsa2.stockholm1.level3.net (213.242.68.206) 123.899 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 13 * ge0-0-0-0.r1.sto1.se.eunetip.net (213.242.69.10) 125.03 ms 134.437 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 14 so3-0-0-0.br1.hel1.fi.eunetip.net (213.192.191.129) 131.337 ms 146.521 ms * | 19:34 |
| th1a | 15 ae0-0.br2.esp1.fi.eunetip.net (213.192.191.41) 136.609 ms 133.634 ms 135.315 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 16 tallinn-ipt-gw1.online.ee (213.192.190.178) 135.407 ms 162.554 ms 138.063 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 17 194.8.9.10 (194.8.9.10) 167.453 ms 159.697 ms 152.521 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 18 213.197.128.6 (213.197.128.6) 184.878 ms 151.885 ms 213.239 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 19 213.197.176.3 (213.197.176.3) 154.295 ms 229.119 ms 153.776 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 20 213.197.176.21 (213.197.176.21) 153.354 ms 155.173 ms 159.039 ms | 19:34 |
| th1a | 21 * * * | 19:34 |
| th1a | 22 * * * | 19:34 |
| th1a | 23 * * * | 19:34 |
| th1a | 24 * * * | 19:34 |
| th1a | I don't actually understand traceroute, by the way. | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | my traceroute starts with | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 1 router.lan (192.168.42.1) 21.546 ms 0.503 ms 0.447 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 2 213.197.143.149 (213.197.143.149) 1.739 ms 1.650 ms 4.489 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 3 213.197.176.17 (213.197.176.17) 8.212 ms 2.374 ms 4.411 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 4 213.197.176.1 (213.197.176.1) 2.783 ms 6.540 ms 2.563 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 5 f0-0.br0.vln0.microlink.lt (213.197.128.1) 4.468 ms 2.934 ms 3.782 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 6 194.8.9.9 (194.8.9.9) 19.481 ms 17.549 ms 18.637 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | 7 ge0-2-0-922.br2.esp1.fi.eunetip.net (213.192.190.177) 20.988 ms 20.122 ms 20.195 ms | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | weird | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | it appears that you reach the network (213.197.176.x) that is in our building | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | or maybe not | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | 213.197.143.149 is in our building, 213.197.176.x is somewhere else | 19:55 |
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| mgedmin | th1a: can you email the full traceroute to Albert -- he will follow it up with our ISP | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | (alga@pov.lt) | 20:07 |
| th1a | OK. | 20:11 |
| tvon|x31 | this coverage biz is lovely | 20:33 |
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| alga | th1a: can I get the traceroute output please? | 20:36 |
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| tvon|x31 | addParam in CalendarViewBase seems unused/untested | 21:12 |
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| th1a | alga: Sorry, I was out shoveling the sidewalk. I sent the trace. | 21:33 |
| alga | thanks. Bug report already submitted to our ISP. | 21:43 |
| th1a | Thank you. | 21:43 |
| SteveA | we should have the dedicated schooltool hosted server available in just a few weeks | 22:41 |
| th1a | If it isn't done by then I want my money back. | 22:41 |
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| th1a | What's the definition of a facet factory? | 22:58 |
| th1a | Facet factories define what kind of facets can be applied to an object? | 22:59 |
| mgedmin | facet factories are components that create facets | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | the user can place arbitrary facets on objects | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | facet factories define what facets can be created in this way | 23:03 |
| th1a | How can you create a facet without a factory? | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | the user can't | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | the code can | 23:03 |
| th1a | OK. Thanks. | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | some facets are created automatically | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | e.g. when you add a person to the Teachers group, he gets a TeacherFacet | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | IIRC you cannot manually place a TeacherFacet on a random person | 23:04 |
| th1a | So there isn't a teacher facet factory? | 23:04 |
| *mgedmin notices that he has forgotten some of the more obscure corners of facets and relationships | 23:05 | |
| mgedmin | no, there isn't | 23:05 |
| th1a | OK. | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | there is a teacher group facet factory | 23:05 |
| th1a | Huh? | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | which was necessary because we initially did not pre-create the 'teachers' group in the application itself | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | the 'teachers' group was usually created via CSV import | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | and the CSV file specified that this group had to have a 'teacher_group' facet | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | (if I remember it correctly) | 23:06 |
| th1a | OK. We'll have to discuss these default roles in more detail at some point in the future -- we're going to need a few more roles (school administrator, etc). | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | I would like to use the opportunity provided by our internal restructurings (that happen as part of the Zope 3 transition) and simplify facets and relationships | 23:07 |
| th1a | Sounds like a good idea. | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | it is a bad sign when the developers themselves do not remember the difference between the 'relate' function, relationship schemas, valencies and SchemaInvocation objects | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | I would like to write some executable documentation -- basically a ReStructuredText file with doctests inside | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | such as used for new code in Zope 3 | 23:08 |
| th1a | I'd like that. | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | I imagine a text file for each concept in SchoolTool -- relationships.txt, events.txt, absence-tracking.txt, calendars.txt, etc. | 23:09 |
| *mgedmin scribbles this down into "ideas for the next proposal" list | 23:10 | |
| th1a | More docs will be most welcome. | 23:11 |
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