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| SteveA | schoolbell is pretty similar | 15:29 |
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| th1a | mgedmin & SteveA: Is it reasonable to think that the first phase of the Zope 3 transition -- moving to Zope 3 libs -- will be done by the beginning of March? | 16:12 |
| mgedmin | yes | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | I think it will be done long before that (although I've been known to be too optimistic with my estimates) | 16:15 |
| th1a | OK. I'm writing up a new roadmap. | 16:16 |
| th1a | How much work do you think it will be to split off the standalone Zope 3 calendaring component? | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | partially it depends on the scope of the calendaring component | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | do we want it to come with a nice set of default browser views? | 16:20 |
| th1a | I imagine we do if we want people to use it ;-) | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | is our limited recurrence model (which is equivalent to mozilla's, palm's, ical's limited recurrence models) enough, or do we need full iCalendar spec support | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | do we need all-day events that we currently don't have | 16:21 |
| th1a | I'm assuming that the goal is first to make available what we've got. | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | good point | 16:21 |
| th1a | Then other people can start adding the missing pieces :-) | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | what we've got is tied into the core of schooltool, so we need to decide where the split should occurr | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | e.g., do we need timetabling in the zope3 calendaring component? | 16:21 |
| th1a | I'd say not. | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | I think the timetabling that we have now is very school specific | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | iow I agree | 16:22 |
| th1a | Yes. | 16:22 |
| th1a | So are we probably looking at a couple weeks work? | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | less, I think | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | perhaps a week | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | but then again -- I've already said I'm sometimes too optimistic | 16:27 |
| th1a | OK. I just want to make sure I'm not off by orders of magnitude. | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | I strongly suspect that after next week (during which I'll be integrating calendaring to canonical's launchpad) we will have a zope3 calendaring component -- or at least an approximation of one | 16:32 |
| th1a | Ah. Do you expect to be using SchoolTool code in that? | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | I think that was the idea | 16:38 |
| th1a | I would imagine. | 16:38 |
| th1a | mgedmin: check this out: http://vobject.skyhouseconsulting.com/epydoc/ | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 17:45 |
| th1a | I'm not sure how much is really there yet... | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:46 |
| th1a | http://vobject.skyhouseconsulting.com/wsvn/listing.php?repname=vobject&path=%2F&sc=0 | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | how is it licenced? | 17:46 |
| th1a | Doesn't say. | 17:46 |
| th1a | Found out about it here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2004/12/09.html#a1130 | 17:47 |
| th1a | It's not clear if it is official OSAF work or a side project. | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | so, how many half-finished ical libraries for python are there now? | 17:51 |
| th1a | I guess at least three, counting ours. | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | it would be nice to have just one | 17:52 |
| th1a | Yes. | 17:52 |
| th1a | http://wiki.osafoundation.org/bin/view/Jungle/VObject | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/schooltool/2003-November/000119.html | 18:03 |
| SteveA | "there can be only one" | 18:11 |
| SteveA | we should aim to become the canonical calendar library | 18:11 |
| SteveA | we may have to switch it to the lgpl to achieve this. I'll talk to mark about this. | 18:12 |
| SteveA | what do you think about the licence issues? | 18:12 |
| th1a | I'm in favor of using lgpl in this case. | 18:12 |
| th1a | Will making a standalone Zope 3 library also create in effect a standalone Python library? | 18:13 |
| th1a | Overall, though, I think we need to collaborate with OSAF. | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | +1 | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | I think the iCal/vCal parsing/generation bit can be a standalone Python library | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | browser views will definitely be Zope3-specific | 18:16 |
| th1a | Right. | 18:17 |
| th1a | But we'll be able to release a Zope 3 library and a generic Python library at the same time, right? | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | I think so | 18:20 |
| th1a | Cool. | 18:20 |
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| SteveA | I think we should not be afraid of a dependency on zope.interface | 19:47 |
| SteveA | for the stand-alone calendaring stuff | 19:47 |
| th1a | That sounds reasonable. | 19:47 |
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| bskahan | th1a: should all users be able to book resources in SB? | 21:13 |
| th1a | I'm not sure how it works now beyond needing to be a teacher. | 21:14 |
| bskahan | start.pt in browser | 21:14 |
| th1a | In SchoolTool, that is. | 21:14 |
| bskahan | tests isTeacher | 21:14 |
| bskahan | isTeacher is in schooltool.security | 21:14 |
| bskahan | basically checks if your in the group managers or teachers | 21:15 |
| th1a | So when you actually do the booking it doesn't check anything? | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | originally only teachers could book resources | 21:15 |
| th1a | Right. | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | I think that has been changed so that everyone who has write access to a particular resource's calendar can book that resource | 21:15 |
| th1a | That's what I want. | 21:15 |
| bskahan | ok | 21:15 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: I went through and tried to catch the i18n attributes from last nights commit | 21:16 |
| bskahan | they're not easy enough to find to leave for later | 21:16 |
| th1a | It is hard for us Americans to get it into our head that there are languages other than English in the world. | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | there are two ways to find untranslated strings: | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | 1) just read all .pt files and look for them | 21:17 |
| bskahan | that's what I was doing | 21:18 |
| th1a | Despite the fact that most of the people in my neighborhood don't speak English as their first language. | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | 2) build a fake .po file with msgen + msgfilter that adds, say, brackets around all strings, then try to use schoolbell with that .po file and watch out for strings that are not bracketed | 21:18 |
| bskahan | mgedmin: thanks | 21:18 |
| bskahan | thats much better | 21:18 |
| bskahan | th1a: live in a latin american neighborhood? | 21:19 |
| th1a | Mostly Dominican. | 21:19 |
| th1a | PR. | 21:19 |
| bskahan | when I lived around DC I always lived in Salvadoran and Caribean neighborhoods | 21:20 |
| bskahan | baltimore has a much smaller and more concentrated imigrant population | 21:20 |
| th1a | There are also lots of West African immigrants. Liberian, etc. | 21:20 |
| th1a | Baltimore is more like Pittsburgh. Not many immigrants because nobody has wanted to move there for forty years. | 21:21 |
| bskahan | yeah, exactly | 21:21 |
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