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| bskahan | th1a: hey | 21:50 |
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| tvon | Hey Tom | 21:50 |
| th1a | Hey. | 21:50 |
| th1a | Took a look at your notes code. | 21:50 |
| th1a | I think you should use facets. | 21:51 |
| bskahan | mmm, its probably going to be relationships | 21:51 |
| bskahan | relationship from the note to the object its about | 21:51 |
| bskahan | why would facets be better? | 21:52 |
| th1a | It seems like you're making notes to pages rather than objects. | 21:52 |
| bskahan | at the moment they are ;) | 21:52 |
| th1a | Like, you shouldn't be adding a note to the start page. | 21:52 |
| th1a | OK. | 21:52 |
| bskahan | but the relationship will replace url | 21:52 |
| th1a | OK. | 21:53 |
| bskahan | so any IRelateable will be able to have a note | 21:53 |
| th1a | So you're at a preliminary stage? | 21:53 |
| bskahan | we should finish it today | 21:53 |
| bskahan | barring flood fire famine | 21:53 |
| bskahan | well, finish, by fully work, needing UI improvements probably | 21:54 |
| bskahan | assuming my understanding of relationships isn't way off track | 21:54 |
| bskahan | but marius suggested relationships too, for the same reasons we were thinking | 21:54 |
| bskahan | so I think its the right direction | 21:55 |
| th1a | OK. So you've been discussing it with him. | 21:55 |
| bskahan | yeah, he reviewed the whole patch, alot of help | 21:55 |
| th1a | OK. He's the authority. | 21:55 |
| th1a | Did you guys discuss it on IRC? | 21:57 |
| bskahan | 21:57 | |
| th1a | Could you forward to me and/or the list some of that discussion? | 21:58 |
| bskahan | sure | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | th1a: http://checkins.schooltool.org/%3C20041022121804.GA25341@fridge.pov.lt%3E | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | only it looks much better in mailman's archives that actually understand MIME | 22:00 |
| th1a | I'd like to have those discussion on the mailing list unless there's a good reason not to. | 22:01 |
| *bskahan nods | 22:01 | |
| mgedmin | I tend to Cc: checkin comments to the checkins@schooltool.org mailing list | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | do you think that I should also Cc: schooltool@schooltool.org? | 22:03 |
| th1a | Hm... I'm subscribed to checkins but I didn't see it. Let me check. | 22:04 |
| bskahan | when I replied to mgedmin I didn't reply-all | 22:04 |
| th1a | Oh. I just hadn't gotten to it. | 22:04 |
| th1a | Checkins is ok when you're going over code like that, I guess. That's probably a little arcane for the main list. | 22:05 |
| th1a | I just want to a) make sure it is archived somewhere. | 22:05 |
| th1a | b) make sure people on the main list feel like people are actually working on this project and it is alive. | 22:06 |
| bskahan | could subscribe the main list to a digest of checkin? | 22:07 |
| th1a | That's a thought. | 22:07 |
| hazmat | no thanks | 22:07 |
| bskahan | heh | 22:08 |
| hazmat | please don't, the checkin list is readily available those who want it | 22:08 |
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| hazmat | getting daily digests from checkin lists is annoying imho | 22:08 |
| th1a | OK. | 22:08 |
| hazmat | compared to reading the blow by blow for those itnerested in such | 22:08 |
| hazmat | i had a 'friendly' discussion with the cps folks about the same | 22:09 |
| hazmat | actually it was pretty friendly | 22:09 |
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| hazmat | but those checkins end up just being noise | 22:12 |
| hazmat | on the dev list | 22:12 |
| th1a | Sure. | 22:12 |
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| th1a | bskahan: could you forward your response to mgedmin's email to me (and any follow ups?) | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | maybe forward them to checkins@schooltool.org | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | (as well) | 22:37 |
| th1a | I don't understand why we wouldn't use facets for the notes. Isn't this exactly the kind of case facets are designed for? | 23:13 |
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| mgedmin | probablyu | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | it depends on whether you want your notes to be first class objects or not | 23:14 |
| hazmat | incidentally i'm going to be checking out schooltool to use for a school in california (pasadena) / private secondary school | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | (i.e. participate in arbitrary relationships, be organized in groups, have calendars ant timetables) | 23:14 |
| hazmat | they want to use plone, but i'd like to see if they'd be interested in schooltool | 23:14 |
| th1a | Hazmat: Use plone for what? | 23:15 |
| hazmat | they want a school website... they want a public facing site, news items, info etc. but also things like blogs for members.. but its get into school tool territory cause they also want classroom schedules, and spaces for homework assignments and the like | 23:16 |
| hazmat | er. blogs for dept. headds | 23:16 |
| hazmat | the classrooom stuff is all private though. | 23:16 |
| th1a | I'm keen to develop some Plone integration, although Mark hasn't seemed too excited about paying for it. | 23:18 |
| th1a | However, I have talked to a guy in Oregon who is interested in the idea... | 23:18 |
| th1a | Let me see... | 23:18 |
| stockholm | th1a: would you want to find out if he would like to pay for the other system i pasted an url for the other day? | 23:19 |
| stockholm | yesterday? | 23:19 |
| stockholm | vinsci might have the url, still | 23:19 |
| th1a | What? schoolLAN? | 23:19 |
| stockholm | btw: are you guys coming to some developer meeting anytime soon? | 23:19 |
| stockholm | it would be nice to meet, perhaps. | 23:19 |
| stockholm | and drink some applejuice or beer together | 23:20 |
| stockholm | (c: | 23:20 |
| stockholm | th1a: um, what was its name... | 23:20 |
| th1a | I'll be in London to meet with Mark on Nov. 25th & 26th. | 23:20 |
| th1a | Cerebrum? | 23:20 |
| stockholm | nonono | 23:20 |
| th1a | Oh, the school. | 23:20 |
| th1a | I haven't talked to Mark this week. Their Ubuntu linux release was this week, so I'm sure he's hyper busy. Or sleeping off the last month. | 23:21 |
| stockholm | th1a: i was thinking of the www.netop.com system ... | 23:22 |
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| stockholm | th1a: http://www.netop.com/Sch300UK_files/frame.htm | 23:23 |
| stockholm | th1a: it works here in konqueror | 23:23 |
| th1a | Oh. I don't remember seeing this at all. | 23:23 |
| stockholm | th1a: it is a system for computer based teaching. | 23:24 |
| stockholm | th1a: i have someone who would like to do it and who is capleable of doing it. | 23:24 |
| stockholm | but he said it would be some work and he needed something to chew on, too. | 23:24 |
| th1a | It doesn't seem relevant to me. | 23:25 |
| stockholm | no, it is not down your alley, but rather ours. | 23:25 |
| stockholm | th1a: and we dont have any money left | 23:26 |
| th1a | Well, it doesn't seem relevant to Mark's interests as I understand them. | 23:26 |
| stockholm | hm, right. | 23:27 |
| stockholm | what are his interests as you understand them? | 23:27 |
| stockholm | remove the most pressing organisational bottleneck in schools administration? | 23:27 |
| th1a | I'm not sure I can articulate it precisely. | 23:28 |
| stockholm | try it vaguely. | 23:29 |
| th1a | Buying proprietary software for individual schools certainly isn't a priority. | 23:29 |
| th1a | Using open source is. | 23:30 |
| stockholm | th1a: no, it is not about buying this stuff, it is about recreating it freely | 23:30 |
| th1a | Oh. | 23:30 |
| stockholm | in free software | 23:30 |
| th1a | Sorry. | 23:30 |
| th1a | I have no recollection whatsoever of an earlier conversation about this. | 23:30 |
| th1a | So one of us is confused. | 23:31 |
| stockholm | th1a: it could be that you timed out before that. | 23:31 |
| th1a | Must have. | 23:31 |
| stockholm | or rather were timing out when i mentioned it. | 23:31 |
| th1a | Well, it is out of scope for SchoolTool. | 23:31 |
| th1a | There are some similar open source packages, I think. | 23:32 |
| stockholm | yes, i agree. | 23:32 |
| stockholm | oh? | 23:32 |
| th1a | There is something that was developed at Brown University here in Providence. | 23:32 |
| th1a | I can't remember what it is called. | 23:32 |
| stockholm | could you try to find out? | 23:33 |
| th1a | Well, I could start Googling, but you could do that just as easily ;-) | 23:42 |
| stockholm | if cou can remember something beyond "Brown University Providence educational software" let me know. | 23:50 |
| stockholm | it is usually easier to find things again then finding them the first time. | 23:51 |
| th1a | Well, it was something that allowed everyone to see the prof's display. I assume it worked over x-windows. | 23:51 |
| th1a | It's been years, and I can't think of what you'd call the thing. | 23:52 |
| mgedmin | vnc? | 23:53 |
| th1a | No, I don't think it was vnc-based. | 23:54 |
| th1a | I'm not being very helpful here. | 23:54 |
| stockholm | there are vnc solutions. they are very un-elegant and resource hogs | 23:55 |
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