| mgedmin | I've just commited a bunch of changes to page templates | 00:00 |
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| th1a | So is the purpose to make sure that we use the same German words to match the same English term. So we always use "panzerfaust" to refer to a rocket propelled grenade, and not "panzershreck?" | 00:00 |
| coastGNU | cvs syncs are done via cron here. | 00:00 |
| coastGNU | And first of all I have to do some apt-get'ting for svn (c: | 00:01 |
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| coastGNU | And then new cron files for svn have to be made... | 00:02 |
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| coastGNU | BTW. I think whith some enhancements, groupware stuff mostly, schooltool will be interesting for schools here in germany | 00:05 |
| coastGNU | To my point of view a lot of e-learning tools are going this way in the moment | 00:05 |
| coastGNU | But none of them will give the functionality as an administrative tool like schooltool does | 00:06 |
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| coastGNU | Here in germany student net and administrative net _must_ be strictly separate | 00:07 |
| th1a | Interesting. | 00:08 |
| th1a | Entirely separate networks? | 00:08 |
| coastGNU | So there is a need for a e-learning centric groupware tool, e.g. ILIAS. and a administrative centric groupware, what might be scholltool. | 00:08 |
| th1a | Different physical networks? | 00:09 |
| coastGNU | mostly separate, only dsl might be shared | 00:09 |
| coastGNU | Yepp, no router between administrative and student network | 00:10 |
| th1a | I can only think of one school I know in the US that does it that way. | 00:10 |
| th1a | But the laws about privacy of student data are strict. | 00:10 |
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| coastGNU | You won't find a lot of german schools who do so *laugh* | 00:11 |
| Barbarossa | moin | 00:11 |
| th1a | So do those rules slow the overall use of the internet in German schools? | 00:11 |
| *coastGNU introducing Barbarossa, aka Max, german skolelinux developer and skolelista | 00:12 | |
| th1a | Hi Barbarossa. Mr Red-Beard. | 00:12 |
| Barbarossa | :-) | 00:13 |
| th1a | I'm Tom, SchoolTool project manager, at the moment in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA. | 00:13 |
| coastGNU | No, not at all. But securing administrative network is a must. Which most of the teachers are not aware, security. | 00:13 |
| th1a | I certainly found that using Zope to write applications at my school made it easier to avoid security problems, given that I was learning as I went. | 00:15 |
| coastGNU | I'm no friend of shooting with guns on sparrows / using monster apps like zope | 00:16 |
| th1a | Well, it worked out ok for me. | 00:16 |
| *coastGNU has no problem dreaming FORTRAN. Better I had no problem some years ago. (c: | 00:16 | |
| th1a | So can German schools allow parental access to some of the administrative data. | 00:17 |
| th1a | For example, to allow parents to view grades via a web interface? | 00:17 |
| th1a | That'd require outside access. | 00:17 |
| coastGNU | Nope, not at all. Or better I have never heared that this was/is practised somewhere in germany. | 00:19 |
| th1a | Interesting. | 00:20 |
| Barbarossa | I don't think that a german school would do something like that | 00:20 |
| th1a | So I guess teachers couldn't do things like enter grades via the web from home either. | 00:20 |
| Barbarossa | of corse not :) | 00:20 |
| Barbarossa | data security :-) | 00:20 |
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| mgedmin | bye | 00:21 |
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| th1a | mgedmin: how is the release process coming? | 20:17 |
| th1a | what do I need to do? | 20:18 |
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| th1a | Hi alga. | 20:19 |
| alga | hi th1a | 20:19 |
| alga | we're still fixing bugs | 20:21 |
| alga | I'm not sure how the SB release should look | 20:22 |
| alga | does it need import sampleschool sutff? | 20:22 |
| th1a | I'd leave it in. | 20:22 |
| alga | right | 20:22 |
| th1a | It is still a good example. | 20:22 |
| alga | ok | 20:23 |
| th1a | I'd change "Teacher" to "Contact" or something more generic. | 20:23 |
| alga | I made it 'Supervisor' | 20:23 |
| alga | hm, where do we have to upload stuff? | 20:24 |
| th1a | That's a good question. | 20:24 |
| alga | well, we can mail it | 20:26 |
| th1a | I'll put a folder on the site for now. | 20:26 |
| th1a | You can put it here: http://www.schooltool.org/releases/schoolbell07/ | 20:29 |
| th1a | I made you a manager of the releases folder. | 20:29 |
| th1a | Perhaps 'chair' instead of supervisor. | 20:35 |
| th1a | Supervisor is a little tricky because the supervisor is not necessarily part of the group. | 20:35 |
| alga | that's true for teachers | 20:35 |
| coastGNU | What about peer? | 20:35 |
| th1a | That wouldn't be a common usage in American English. | 20:36 |
| coastGNU | Uuups, a pitfall I stepped in I suppose. ((c: | 20:36 |
| alga | th1a: I'm still not convinced | 20:37 |
| coastGNU | ?Mentor? | 20:37 |
| alga | Why not teacher then? | 20:37 |
| th1a | In SchoolTool, is the teacher considered part of the class's group? | 20:38 |
| alga | no | 20:38 |
| th1a | Ah. | 20:38 |
| th1a | OK. | 20:38 |
| th1a | And I guess it is optional. | 20:38 |
| alga | members and teachers are separate different things | 20:38 |
| th1a | As they should be. OK. I guess supervisor makes sense then. | 20:38 |
| alga | ok | 20:38 |
| th1a | Never mind :-) | 20:38 |
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| alga | check out the new logo: | 20:42 |
| alga | http://source.schooltool.org/viewcvs/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/browser/www/schoolbell1.png?rev=1490&view=auto | 20:42 |
| th1a | That'll do for a start. | 20:42 |
| alga | ok, different question | 20:43 |
| alga | how do we 'translate' "Pupils"? | 20:43 |
| th1a | 'members?' | 20:43 |
| alga | good idea, thanks | 20:43 |
| th1a | alga: while I'm thinking about it, could you make me a project admin on Freshmeat for SchoolTool -- my ID is krasni_bor | 20:51 |
| th1a | Whew! I'll be back when I find a coffeeshop with wifi AND air conditioning. | 21:07 |
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| alga | th1a: you are a project admin now. | 21:28 |
| th1a | Thanks. | 21:28 |
| th1a | Cooler now. | 21:29 |
| alga | you you get a power outet there as well? | 21:29 |
| th1a | I'm all charged up from the other shop. | 21:29 |
| th1a | So I've got a couple hours. | 21:30 |
| alga | So you have to choose between AC power and air conditioning? :-) | 21:39 |
| th1a | There's an outlet in the corner, but someone's got it already. | 21:44 |
| alga | *sigh* | 21:44 |
| alga | so, how do we go about branding? | 21:44 |
| th1a | In what respect? | 21:44 |
| alga | should the start script still be schooltool-server.py? | 21:44 |
| th1a | ah. | 21:44 |
| th1a | I suppose not. | 21:44 |
| alga | the python package is staying schooltool | 21:44 |
| th1a | Yeah. | 21:45 |
| alga | and the licence notice still sais it's schooltool | 21:45 |
| th1a | I'd change the name of the script since people'll need to interact with that. | 21:45 |
| th1a | Oh, hm... | 21:45 |
| th1a | Maybe that should stay SchoolTool. | 21:45 |
| th1a | If someone contributes to SchoolBell, they're contributing to SchoolTool as well. | 21:46 |
| alga | right | 21:46 |
| alga | fankly, I don't see how it'll work | 21:46 |
| alga | we fork the project voluntarily | 21:46 |
| th1a | Yeah... | 21:47 |
| th1a | I don't know enough about the intricacies of version control to know how difficult it will be to keep two branches in sync. | 21:47 |
| th1a | Or not. | 21:47 |
| alga | I suppose it's easier in Arch than in Subversion... | 21:51 |
| th1a | How does this sound as a general intro for Freshmeat, etc: | 22:17 |
| th1a | SchoolBell is a free and open source application to allow groups and organizations to coordinate schedules and timetables. Users may manage their personal calendars, group calendars and calendars for resources, e.g., rooms, projectors, etc, via a web interface, or using an iCalendar compliant client such as Mozilla calendar or iCal. SchoolBell is written in Python, integrating the Twisted framework, Zope Page Templates and selected | 22:17 |
| th1a | leworth Foundation. | 22:17 |
| mgedmin | why do releases always happen on friday nights? ;) | 22:18 |
| th1a | It's the middle of the afternoon here :-) | 22:20 |
| alga | th, what about the default password? | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | manager:schooltool | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | another q: do we need wxclient in schoolbell? | 22:21 |
| alga | th1a: regarding the blurb, I would mention that it's related to schooltool. | 22:22 |
| th1a | Holy shit. Someone just went by in a Segway. | 22:24 |
| th1a | Anyhow, there is something we need wxClient for... | 22:24 |
| th1a | I think... which step... | 22:25 |
| mgedmin | timetable creation? | 22:25 |
| th1a | That sounds right. | 22:25 |
| mgedmin | I was hoping we could ditch all clients and just have a single 'schoolbell' package | 22:26 |
| th1a | We will after the next release. | 22:26 |
| alga | th1a: the schoolbell fork is now in progress at svn+ssh://source.schooltool.org/svn/schooltool/trunk/schooltool | 22:27 |
| th1a | I'm a little handicapped here because I can't get my Virtual PC instance to connect to the network, and I've still never gotten SchoolTool to run on my Mac. | 22:28 |
| alga | Aiste had her mac set up to run schooltool, but then she reinstalled it | 22:29 |
| alga | and now we require a higher version of twisted, or something like that | 22:29 |
| th1a | Ah, we'll have to discuss that sometime. Also good to know Aiste is a she. | 22:30 |
| alga | T|N>K | 22:31 |
| th1a | ? | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | umm, I need a short description of SchoolBell for the debian package | 22:31 |
| mgedmin | regarding wxclient: does it need to be rebranded to SchoolBell as well? | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | (I hope not) | 22:32 |
| th1a | Nah. Let's just consider it a temporary orphan in this case. | 22:32 |
| th1a | Hopefully it will be gone soon. | 22:32 |
| alga | T|N>K : tea through nose to the keyboard | 22:33 |
| alga | http://aiste.org/photos/inred/aiste2.jpg | 22:33 |
| th1a | Ah. | 22:33 |
| th1a | A little different than my default mental image of a geek. | 22:34 |
| alga | she looks much geekier now | 22:34 |
| alga | that photo was taken when she was single ;-) | 22:35 |
| th1a | Ah. | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | if wxclient is temporary and unbranded, perhaps we could simply reuse the existing schooltool-clients debian package? | 22:35 |
| *mgedmin is working on debian packaging at the moment | 22:36 | |
| th1a | That sounds reasonable. | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | should the rebranded schooltool-server deb be 'schoolbell-server' or just 'schoolbell'? | 22:36 |
| th1a | Just schoolbell | 22:36 |
| th1a | Can you use part of what I sent earlier for the description? | 22:37 |
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| mgedmin | it seems truncated | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | <th1a> SchoolBell is a free and open source application to allow groups and organizations to coordinate schedules and timetables. Users may manage their personal calendars, group calendars and calendars for resources, e.g., rooms, projectors, etc, via a web interface, or using an iCalendar compliant client such as Mozilla calendar or iCal. SchoolBell is written in Python, integrating the Twisted framework, Zope Page Templates and selected | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | <th1a> leworth Foundation. | 22:42 |
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| th1a | SchoolBell is written in Python, integrating the Twisted framework, Zope Page Templates and selected Zope 3 packages. It is part of the SchoolTool project, funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation. | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | ok, the debian package builds and seems to work | 22:58 |
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| alga | th1a: where do we upload? | 23:36 |
| alga | and what's mypassword :-) | 23:36 |
| th1a | I believe you made it. | 23:36 |
| th1a | To http://www.schooltool.org/releases/schoolbell07/ | 23:37 |
| th1a | It should be the same password. | 23:38 |
| th1a | You used before. | 23:38 |
| alga | OK | 23:44 |
| alga | the files are there | 23:44 |
| th1a | Excellent. I'll get my part done over the weekend. | 23:44 |
| alga | email us if you find something wrong | 23:45 |
| th1a | I'm loading up a truck and driving my sister and her stuff back to Rhode Island Monday and Tuesday, so I'll get it done before I hit the road. | 23:45 |
| th1a | Great job getting this done on schedule. | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | bye! | 23:51 |
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